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Originally posted by Rocketeer
Originally posted by Scarfe
Originally posted by MurlockDance
Originally posted by Nobadeeftw

When I read about that I lost any shredd of respect I had for that company.  Customizable UIs are almost a given nowdays with anygame.  Now they want to dictate how much of a UI you can have.  This stuff might fly over in Europe; but, this is the exact opposite of how you run a business in a capitalist society.

This is complete and utter ignorance! Bravo!

Edit - btw, ToR seems more popular in the US than in the EU. Just look at the server loads.

I am glad you pointed that out.  Astonishing level of ignorance. 

Just in pointing out that this is the exact way of how you run a buisness in a capitalist society, i.e. nickle and diming people and milking every penny you can get out of them. Any company NOT doing that is bound to fail in capitalism since your competitors will do it and have superior funds allowing them to aquire patents and kill you by patent war attrition or outright buy you.

There is a reason Apple got so much money in such a short time(i mean hundreds of billions in ten years?), look how much they charge for a ram upgrade in one of their laptops or how much their profit margin is on their phones. 


I mean if what EA is doing isn't capitalism at its finest ... what is it then? Sure doesn't look like communism or socialism to me.

You are totally right people don't mind paying for quality.

That being said while Apple is on top of the food chain regarding quality, TOR is closer to the bottom.


That's why hundreds of thousand people quit, saying TOR wasn't worth Wow $15 monthly fees.

Interesting how form grear presentation the thread evolved in a totally different way


When starting a topic you never know how it will evolve ;)

Originally posted by Sevenstar61

No matter what their intentions were... free months is free month - it pays in full for the Makeb expansion /grin

I mean seriously? We are that low that people need to find such excuses for explaining the price of a DLC on top of the sub?

If you want good story telling play games like Risen, The Witcher, Planescape Torment.
Originally posted by kb4blu

The subscription price has never been a factor for me.  Either I like a game or not.


Same here

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To me this is better but the helmet still looks like a bit too much Batman. They should shade in black the drawings on the robe too.

P.S.: Not very fond of the BH chicken helmet either

First if the content is that big they should have avertised it as it would mitigate the feeling from subscibers of being milked.

Then they should have allowed people to actually purchase the new content with CC. Thing is they would not have lost that much money and it would have given a better image to the players.

On top of that, from the very few we actually know, it looks more like a DLC than even a small Xpack as there's no new type of  gameplay.


Originally posted by Ozmodan Asking subscription players to pay for additional content that is not an expansion is the most greedy thing I have seen from a MMO developer. Glad I don't play this anymore. This just insures I will not play it again.
They wanted more money and this is the result.


Once again when you thought they could not do worse they are digging even deeper their grave.

The thing that worries me is that there's lots of family income involved and it bodes not well for their future as more layoff might come from this.


Saying TOR was delivered in a highly polished state, is an insult towards MMO makers like Arena net, Blizzard, Trion, Turbine.


I'll take one single example: one year after launch companions still wear LS with the blade on... at their belt!

Originally posted by mcburly
Its unfortunate to see how delusional some people are about a bad game

To be honest the game isn't that bad but compared to even older MMOs, it's not good.

Originally posted by Xirik
Originally posted by Deewe

Step 1)

  • Developing a MMO based on WoW, only. WoW is fun going by how many people play it.
  • Betting everything on (fair) custscene, (cliche) story and (nice) V.O. with meaningless choices.Thats why I sub  to this game.
  • Not delivering as many gameplay features as what's existing in others MMOs.Such as?






Let's start with the first 3:

1) Check the word in red / italic and think about it for 2 minutes

2) Do you mean you wanted a single player game, without even good story as in others RPG games like say Witcher or Risen or Planescape Torment and aren't looking for meaningfull choices?

3)  @launch, missing among others (not in the way the game had not all the below entries but it's the only MMO that had none of them):


  • Swimming
  • Third party addons
  • Minigames like card games or slot gamers
  • Dual spec
  • Day/night cycles
  • Non humanoid based playable races
  • Planetary housing
  • Housing furnishing
  • Animal based pet classes
  • Resources for crafting that do have quality
  • Complex crafting system
  • Guild leveling system
  • Animal mounts
  • Flying mounts
  • PvP Arenas
  • Collision detection between characters
  • Macros
  • Barber / Image Designer
  • Appearance tabs
  • Fishing
  • Guild "Tabard"
  • Multiplayer mounts
  • Gear Dyes
  • Shared storage bank slots
  • In game voice chat
  • LFG tool
  • Guild bank
  • Incentives for socialization
  • Character extended body customization
  • 3 Factions RvR
  • Wolrd PvP
  • RPG tools
  • Underwater content
  • 3d exploration
Then I invite you to have a look at the below threads, before stating people like me are cluless of the game or don't want it to succeed.

@launch: first time I took a taxi, ending flying and seeing others characters below me actually doing things.


That was wow!

Originally posted by Camaro68
Originally posted by Deewe

Hopefully Makeb will be way more than the supposedly 4h worth of content to wich I would read as 4h of recorded VO.

Because let's be honest here leveling from 50 to 55 in 4 hours seems very fast to me.


Then they can beef as much Makeb as they want, thing is class V.O. was pointed as too costly by mr big boss and on the back burner. We now have a confirmation.

You're calling an interview from August that doesn't even mention an expansion a "confirmation"?

Please take the time to listen to both interviews then come back when you are done so we can have a discussion.

Originally posted by Karteli

I've seen this come up here, elsewhere, and even on the official SWTOR forums.  Players want to spend Cartel Coins on the expansion instead of buying a direct download with their credit card.


It all comes out of a potential customers pocket, whether they make a purchase directly on their credit card, or they use their credit card directly to buy Cartel Coins, then purchase the expansion with the coins.


Whats the benefit of buying the expansion with Cartel Coins as opposed to other means?  Is it because freemium players want to buy the expansion with their complimentary coins?


Help me understand this.


Yes some subscribers were keeping the CC for the bigger updates

Step 1)

  • Developing a MMO based on WoW, only.
  • Betting everything on (fair) custscene, (cliche) story and (nice) V.O. with meaningless choices.
  • Not delivering as many gameplay features as what's existing in others MMOs.
  • Having most of the in game features with lower quality than most MMO.
  • Not optimizing the engine, server side for network synchronisation and having good NPC AI, client side for good performance and nice graphics.

  • Designing the game around a cartoonish graphical chart with heroic proportions.

  • Outsourcing art without a good quality control nor IP / lore validation.

  • Not delivering a world but setting everything on rails.

  • Making PvP based on stats.
  • Delivering a sub par space shooter.
  • Not listening to player feedback, before, then during the beta. Have a we know better mindset
  • Not managing efficiently such a large project.
  • Over hyping the game


Step 2)

  • Launching an unevenly polished game during a very bad time frame.
  • Making Classes changes impacts either negatively PvP or PvE at each iteration.
  • Struggle to fix the bugs and improve the game play
  • Pushing content in game without taking into account players feedback from the test servers

  • Not adding content fast enough.

  • Implementing new features with still less polish than in other games

  • Lie to the customers about poor FPS performance

  • Butchering the lore with non fitting gear and things like non force users force lightning others.

  • Havig a bad PR with keeping the we know better attitude and self congratulating themselves
  • Not addressing the main players concerns and keeping players in the void.
  • Convincing EA top managers people left because the monthly fee not the way to go instead of not worth it.


Step 3)

  • Implement one of the worst F2P MMO model, making people play for tools (UI and so) not for content
  • Make the game barely enjoyable for F2P
  • Scam players with real cash lottery
  • Oblige former players to pay a sub to get their "rewards"
  • Oblige players to pay for Christmas "gifts"
  • Do not add much content in F2P but mostly re-skinned assets
  • Keep wasting $$$ on the space shooter, dedicating a whole team.
  • Keeping hyping sup par features "going to love the speeder" Yeah sure.


Step 4)

  • Make subscribers pay for future major patches (free in other games)
  • Do not allow player to pay said content with earned in game currency (CC)
  • Not extending the much looked after Class Story
  • Bring back world PvP as timed events only


Step 5 (Taking guesses)

  • Limiting world PvP to very specific "bigger" instances
  • Still not separating PvE and PvP skills
  • Adding re-skinned human skeletons as new species only.
  • Making a BattleFront like space sim (boring long term) vs a X-Wing vs Tie-Fighter/JTL 
  • Pushing back UI addons/skins
  • Not adding mini games like Pazaak, pod/swoop racing
  • Keep making people to pay real cash for color (hue) changes on the gear (Revan set *cough*)
  • Not adding appearance tabs nor gear slots toggles.


What's puzzling here, is after SWG failure and post MMO history of half success, you'd think people would learn from these mistakes, especially when they were involved in them.


But no, it seems TOR managers are digging their grave deeper and deeper at each iteration.





Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by Deewe
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by bingbongbros
It isn't an expansion.  It is just a game update with a fee attached.  Makeb was originally slated to launch with 1.5 but was pushed back, and now they want you to pay for it.

Maybe because they decided to beef it up and release as expansion? Sound business decision. As you know it's coming in Spring 2013, so obviously it''s going to be more content that the "original Makeb". My opinion of course.

You wish...


Can't find the post anymore, but some dude stepped in some time ago and stated a friend of him actually worked at EA and said top managers where concerned by TOR.

She also mentioned Makeb was like 4h of content and (jucy part) there won't be class story in Makeb but world ones only.  We know know this part is true.


Also said the SSP mostly vaporware. Only a way to tease players to stay subscribed.

That does not mean that it's not beef up. We already know there probably won't be a class story. And SSP is not coming anytime soon. What I meant was that the "Makeb version" which was supposed to be free content was probably much less then the "expansion Makeb" which will be released in Spring.

Of course we have no way of knowing right now, but we might be able to determine this based on incoming informations.

If "expansion Makeb" also includes - flashpoints and maybe operation and warzone  - it means it was beefed up. That's my opinion anyway.

Only time will tell. We will discuss this subject again soon enough.

Hopefully Makeb will be way more than the supposedly 4h worth of content to wich I would read as 4h of recorded VO.

Because let's be honest here leveling from 50 to 55 in 4 hours seems very fast to me.


Then they can beef as much Makeb as they want, thing is class V.O. was pointed as too costly by mr big boss and on the back burner. We now have a confirmation.

Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by bingbongbros
It isn't an expansion.  It is just a game update with a fee attached.  Makeb was originally slated to launch with 1.5 but was pushed back, and now they want you to pay for it.

Maybe because they decided to beef it up and release as expansion? Sound business decision. As you know it's coming in Spring 2013, so obviously it''s going to be more content that the "original Makeb". My opinion of course.

You wish...


Can't find the post anymore, but some dude stepped in some time ago and stated a friend of him actually worked at EA and said top managers where concerned by TOR.

She also mentioned Makeb was like 4h of content and (jucy part) there won't be class story in Makeb but world ones only.  We know know this part is true.


Also said the SSP mostly vaporware. Only a way to tease players to stay subscribed.

Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

Lifeday in SWTOR is as  awesomes you can make it for you. OK, I am a bit drunk /grin, but Me and my guildies are running together evrywhere  and having fun with fiireworks, music boxes, tinsel bombs and robots following us aroung... atmosphere is pretty. We had a quite party started in front of Karraga,,, not behind him as his fartd are deadly..... we avoid his back pretty muvh all the time. Boy he was pissed. Then we killed him, not sure how that actually happened but we did,  and then we were dancing on his remains, trying to avoudd the burning oil, I think though somegody got siome minor burns /shrug.  Fireworkd are great, Gandalf mush have help with preparation,

Lifeday is for people who can create it.... so we created sandboxy Lifeday. We did not need anybody to feel absolutely fantastic.

You all have your all fantastic live day in SWTOR. wherever you want to have it:) and don't forget to bring the tinsel bomb - it is fantastic!!!!!

PC. OK I can barely type /grin Cheers and good night :)

Hmm Roleplay sums up the party events this year with SWTOR.  On their anniversary.


It's like telling your kids to watch TV on their birthday, and telling them to have fun.  Everything on TV is free, but those whistle toys that blow outward, a celebration cake, and those party face masks cost money, so they are off limits.  None of which can be afforded for your very own kid.


Hrmmph!  We are the kids here.  And I do feel like I went to my own birthday party and was only allowed to watch TV. :(


 Nice analogy.



You forgot to add they'd have to pay to have the cake coming along their birthday. ;)

Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by FromHell
Originally posted by GwapoJosh
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or Bioware even lost their hardcore supporters by now, with that "event".

Wouldn´t be surprised..

It will take more that this to loose hardcore supporters. Don't hold your breath here. Yes, we are disappointed, but we are not prone to overreacting over little things LOL.


Till then I was willing to pay them for trying to improve the game.


With the latest scam, I could not bear keeping subscribing anymore.

I mean paying for Christmas content? Also  the items are mostly  reskins like the speeder (old new), or  values changed in the hue parameters like for the revan's gear?


Then looking at the future:

  • World PvP will only be based around timed events
  • Makeb is far from landing
  • No new V.O. Class content: only wolrd ones
  • Multiplayer & 3D Space content is still a wet dream
Then no targert or target transfer, no mouse over healing, no shared legacy bank accout, no dual specs, no gear dyes, no convenient appearance tabs, no hiding gear slots, no chat bubbles, no companions roles kits, ...anytime soon.




Interesting article. In fact it points at most of the issues.


However I strongly disagree with the premium pricing for some stuff.

Ex: 100$ for a new space ship or even $20 for each player to have access to guild halls.

Prices have to be cheap, so many player will open their wallet and also they won't feel milked doing so.

Meaning they will be more eager to spend and spread how "cheap" is TOR.


Finally, in essence, the article is saying that they might indeed be making money, but in the long term they are hurting themselves and would make much more cash with a good F2P model.


You wish some top managers at EA would read that article and ask for some answers..

No jumping is like going back to black and white TV.


You can still enjoy what you are seeing but it's not the same experience ;)

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