Originally posted by frodus

On all the face of the earth the only being that knows its going to die at some point is man.

When God flooded the earth their were only 8 souls saved in all the world.

When God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah their were 4 souls saved among thousands.

What you think of the most,what you talk of the most,and what you do the most in this world, that is what you love the most.

I can say with complete confidence that man is unique in the known universe.

You forgot to add that this info is from big sci-fi book and not something really happened.

Anyway very bad book, as your supreme being has cruely drowned among other also newborns, small children, ... etc etc ... not having any guilt. If it does really exist such monstruosity ... i do not want to have anything with it.

However ... i do not think this thread belong on mmo site ... but it is difficult to stay quiet when somebody comes up with similar "arguments".

Btw, unfortunately Santa Claus does not exist. I do not need nor miss your supreme being.

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Sabiancym

 C:  God doesn't exist.  Therefore he has created no worlds.

 

Prove God doesn't exist.

 

Prove flying spaghetti monster doesn't exist.

 

You can't.  He very well may exist.  Hey wait, I guess that means the same holds true for God.

Khm ... you want to say police will understand I crashed because flying spaghetti monster flyed by my car disturbing me?

Btw ... maybe do you know for any case anywhere somebody was freed because god orderd him to kill somebody? By your logic it should. Nobody could prove he is lying so should be acceptable in court.

Originally posted by dxt178

I'll say one more time... WAR has some of the best Scenarios (BGs) of any MMO. Everything else is just terrible. Make the game focused on this one aspect and lower the monthly price and I, as well as many other fans, would run back. Warhammer is a tabletop game of skirmishes and battles, and it is where this game has and still excels. Not keeps, not public quests, not PvE. Look at soem of the private BG-only WoW servers and you will see that many people love the idea of quick enjoyable MMO PvP fun.

I also thught so about scenarios ... before even trying battlegrounds in Wow. Despite having 9 lv. 80 there and 1 lv. 77 have never played bg's in Wow. Actually ... one single time at lower level ... and was also my last try. Was not fun just running from graveyard 100% of time:-).

Here War did much better job adjusting lower level players stats so they were not in function as target dummies as this happen in bg's in in range 0-6. And in no other game I admit I never did it with a single alt to max level, and that says a lot; wow was my first game in my life that caused me real addiction (I just could not get to bed before completing that "last" quest). I'm no longer addicted but I still playing it when I have time to spare. Btw, I'm approaching 50 so I'm not small kid anymore. I did not liked cartoony look of wow initially ... but now I just love it. And the rest is since ever (I joined with BC) the best. Imo of course.

PvP, PvE. I never liked PvP, I'm PvE man. My first encounter with PvP that enjoyed a lot and changed this my view was thanks to War, especially scenarios. Very fun, but laggy. Just implayable with my pretty good pc. Even running Aoc(!) was much more fluid, and this says a lot. I also tried RvR areas ... but with nearly no players at any time around ... well ... was not fun. Actually ... if there were anyone around was usually me and at least 3 desto.  Scenarios were always accessible and with enough players. But laggy, imbalanced. Not only because of players ... but because of overpowerd "bad" guys.

But now also in Wow one can have instant access to bg's and is returned to same place when joined. Copycat from War? Who cares. It is there. And I love it. In bg no matter how much players are present .... everything runs smoooooooth for me! With 10 to 20 players in small space no lag. No lag. Could not believe when I left aprox week ago War and resubbed after long time Wow and tried for the first time bg's. Not a chance in scenarios (that I loved) anything is fluid... not even after the last of the latest patches.

So for now my final conclusion is that I will be split for long time only between Wow and Aoc ... and from time to time Lotro. And maybe some newcomer. I'm afraid I have decided that War is permanently out .... at least do not plan to return before year or so (If it will be still there). And I'm kind'a sad because of this because at least up to between lv. 15 and 29 with all possible alts I enjoed pretty a lot questing.  It is obvious that by far my world is Wow world ... but I'm always looking for something other and fun. Even if one love pizza, can not eat pizza for whole life and 5 times per day. :-)

Originally posted by tvalentine

Originally posted by Elikal

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If developers did their job in development they would not need to nerf, but later they compensate their own failure on the back of the player. Imagine you buy a car and 5 months later after you drive and enjoy your big horsepowers the creators of your car come to you are take out some of the tech and some of the power with the argument "it is unfair to be faster and more secure with your tech gadgets than other drivers". I mean, wouldn't you be fucked up too?

 Name ONE game that has never had to have its professions/classes/whatever balanced.... Name ONE. You're talking about MMORPGs not singleplayer games. What your saying is pretty much like saying patches = failed development. Get a clue

In CO this has nothing to do with perfecting (as I understand balancing) ... has to do with criminally messing up and  has only to do with incredible incompetence. They are standard how not to design and redesign any game, not only mmo.

Originally posted by Elikal

If developers did their job in development they would not need to nerf, but later they compensate their own failure on the back of the player. Imagine you buy a car and 5 months later after you drive and enjoy your big horsepowers the creators of your car come to you are take out some of the tech and some of the power with the argument "it is unfair to be faster and more secure with your tech gadgets than other drivers". I mean, wouldn't you be fucked up too?

When a company nerfs it means only one thing: they totally borked it and now the gamers have to pay the price. How about: we gamer have patience with your tinkering with our characters when you have patience with us not paying while the game is under "paid beta"?

Often nerfs are just a sudden paradigm change. For instance, EQ2 Paladins were nerfed about 2 years after EQ2 launch. And I thought WTF? And they changed a good tank with some heals to a half-baked healer who also might tank. It was changed ALL THE DAMN way around and for why? Just because after TWO YEARS SOE had the idea to make Paladin a healer instead of a tank. Great.

Or some Companies who recently launch games (*cough cough*) and ONE DAY after Beta realize they have too little content and swing a nerf over ALL POWERS to compensate the lack of content. Man, I can quote so many examples of messed up nerfing, it isn't even funny to be right. Nerfs are made often after games run for years and years? How can it be after a game runs and people played that over and over SUDDENLY some Dev thinks "oh wow, thats OP"?

 

(For someone who is aligned with Cryptic and the nerfs of the powers... man you have some guts to defend nerfs. I really have bite my MF tongue not to just YELL something REALLY BAD. *fumes*)

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Could not agree more. And regarding CO I stopped to play only because of this attitude. Every single f. week they have messed totally with game. Like day & night. Game has (had for me) great potential .... after few weeks of gameplay was already on second place for fun factor, could become even first in time .... but after another "mother of nerfs" I simply had enough. One morning after this nerf I was in very good mood, barely could wait to continue .... then minute after logging ... world crashed on me. Game over. In seconds I lost completely interest. And I'm sorry because game was great and I love lore.

As I already posted in other forums when i quit pretty bugged Aoc or War I was already sure i will return in few months ... this is the first game where I'm pretty sure I will never return. For me they have effectively killed the game.

Khm ... I do not understand logic ... the best surgeon ruined all other surgeons? The best pilot being the best ruined all other pilots? Company making best computers responsible for trash or lazy companies to fail? Who is here to blame?

I had completely different complain why i stopped to play. Game was (is) incredibly fun, fast paced, lore I love .... I do not care for 2 months of gameplay for 1 alt as I love to play and experiment all possible combinations ..... but what made me completely indiferent to game was when they for the 3rd or 4th time in one month nerfed to bottom many powers. Like no one was actually planning anything from start. Today super hero ... next morning after patch complete pussy cat. And second .... no retcon. Yes, no retcon, because what they have can not be called by any mean retcon to have to grind few months for full retcon. And I do not care about their free retcon that is result of them messing completely with game.

In first 3 weeks was already on second place for fun factor after wow and before aoc, war, lotro, .... to name few ... but with next nerf It faded completely out of my sight. When there were many problems with Aoc or war at start and I stopped to play I already knew i will be some day back .... here im at least as much sure I will never be back again.

And, to not forget, they had one of the worst support ever (no matter game was new).

Originally posted by fixif

Originally posted by pre_mar

Aion is first F2P kind of game that has monthly fee. For sure this can not work.  But it is true it first Korean game I was able to enjoy at least up to around 18 when I left with all possible alts at that level. Then .... free fall.

 

actually when u put i like that wow was first look a like f2p.

I would really like to hear more explanation here. 

i mean this statements r close to mental retardation. if it has asian art it doesnt mean it f2p a like.. 

Actually ... everything feels like f2p to me. Despite better then any f2p i have ever played. F2p are usually such crap that players play only because they are f2p. With monthly fee they would close pretty fast. But maybe it is just me. I'm just expresing here my opinion like many others. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Aion is first F2P kind of game that has monthly fee. For sure this can not work.  But it is true it first Korean game I was able to enjoy at least up to around 18 when I left with all possible alts at that level. Then .... free fall.

With Rappelz I had enough of this kind of rotten potatoes for a life from this and alike companies. F2P simply does not meet any standards I would like to see in any game. In life there is not such thing as free and so far all (have tried most in past) F2P just confirm this.

What the hell of good is this:

"All new characters that join the Realm of Order will now begin the game in the Empire starting area, no matter their race."

This is called improvement? Or good thing? At least now was fun leveling different classes also because of different areas. And now they are taking away this good thing.

Also missing (I guess I'm not alone) for Book of binding to know from tooltip where I'm actually binded! And with many alts gets easily confused. I guess it is just a little of work. Well, I guess is much more important my char will know to sit.

Originally posted by DevilXaphan

Originally posted by nate1980

Customer support and community is also big factors. One NCsoft has control over, while the other is the luck of the draw. When you see the same gold spammers day after day, and the same scammer day after day, you KNOW there isn't any GM support in the game. Let's be logical here, how long would it take YOU to watch the chat channels, write down all the names spamming gold adverts. and scam websites, take them to your boss, and he delete those accounts? It took me around 3 minutes to block 15 gold spammers and 1 scammer, upon logging in with a brand new character. So if every server had 1 GM, which is bare-minimum, since there's usually many more in any MMO I've ever played, the server would be rid of gold spammers within 3 minutes of that GM logging in. So we KNOW there isn't any GM support, which speaks volumes about NCsofts opinion of customer satisfaction. That alone is an insult to us as customers and is enough to quit the game out of disgust for their business practices. How many of you would go back to a restraunt if there was bad customer service?

Have to disagree with the statement about GM's they are actively monitoring the servers and killing the gold spam when they see it, as far as bots they have to go thru an investigation which can take a month but includes several other bots and bank toons when banned. So far the bot problem is not out of control but do agree that some in house security does need to be made to lessen the problem.

Yes general chat has it's problems but what MMO does not have that problem.So tell me what other MMO does not have a grind in it at a certain level huh?

You must be kidding, are you? As original poster said one can see for a week SAME gold spammer. I personally have reported SAME (with name like "alidjfshdld" classic for gold spammer and can not be coincidence somebody recreated it) player ***FOUR*** times in 2 days with my 4 alts.... yet he was happily spamming at least week after. Spamming includes whispers as public chat. Then I left so is enterely possible he is still spamming. I do not have any impression there is any support in game. I did not got any feedback on any of my at least 15 petitions.

Yestday have returned (and stayed only about 5 mins)  on Castor server after about 2 weeks .... wow ... I have not seen in all other games put together (wow included) in one year so much gold spamming like here in few minutes! It is completely impossible to read anything usefull on chat because of massive (but really MASSIVE!!! like watching dir command from old dos for thousands of files!) gold spamming. Gold spamming messages are running so fast that it is impossible to read even them. Like 95% of people on aion are gold sellers and boots. Have expanded chat window to entire screen .... in maybe 5 max 10 secs screen was full of gold spamming scroolling up. And this worsening happned only in last two weeks ... before was bad .... but not near 10% of this what was yesterday. Despite how I really hate gold sellers as they ruin any game ... I must admit was impressive looking on chat window.

So in summary, despite I loved playing aion with 6 alts all to between lv. 17 and 18, I will remember Aion most as being gold spamming world.

This is unbelievable! In few minutes I have logged back to Aion after week or two .... on chat there was impossible to read absolutely anything other gold spamming messages!! Wow .... 99.99% was only gold spamming! Despite I hate gold spammers and games where they do absolutely nothing to contrast this .... I admit it was really impressive! Of course, I'm now sure I will never again play such game (despite I loved start) ... but, boy, was really impressive to see all that colored spamming running up the screen like in old times dos dir command with thousands of files. Impressive.

Originally posted by brenth

Originally posted by Samhael

 Haven't you made the exact same post before here? :)

 

the things in my post still arnt fixed so yes the list is unchanged

andto the other poster,,if you dont scribe, you cant post on the official forums  so this is one place to keep getting the word out about FE.

 

and i dont hate the game, i just think its half assed attempt  and spartan physics should be known by potential players

i mean come on! vehicles that dont leave the ground?

costume clothing fraud 

grenades that dont work like grenades

hell they didnt even get the guage of shotguns in the right order!  thats just crappy quality control!

and wnyone that doesnt recognize this is either an idiot  or is clueless as to what possible standards are for MMOs.

I really wanted FE to suceed  but it was a huge letdown accross the board except maby in the area of crafting and harvesting  they did some prety good work there, though mot much personal choice in crafting  and they have yet to listen to the player base about  not being able to shift items around in the crafting que (the #1 requested thing in beta)

for me Im actually in the "wait and see" mode with FE but im also not gonna let them get away with lazt game design either.

I agree completely with you. I also wanted game succed ... but for now I have stopped to play perma, despite have still game play time. Game is otherwise pretty original, fun, .... But also to many problems on the air. One of the worst no fast travel (not important at my level) and no spec. As the says they will eventually(!) add but will be very expensive spells to me like "we do not intend to implement".

However it is true that never all players will be happy with everything. I just hope they are doing their calculations right because game to exist and progress need SUBS .... no subs no money no game. Simple as that. And if i.e. 1000 players will be very happy and none of others game will nor progress nor exist-

Originally posted by bhbear

My problem with flight in Aion is the flight timer and waiting for it to recharge.  That and the control just isn't the way I'd like to see it.  In other games like Champions and Wow I feel like I have full control over my characters flighting but in Aion it just seems like I'm struggling against something for control all the time.    Maybe they'll do something with it but I really don't think that is going to happen so I wait until I hit 30 to equip my new wings to see if that helps much with the flight timer and the wait for it to come back after its been used up!

Agree completely. Besides - at least up to lv. 18 when i stopped to play all my 6 alts - there are actually no fly zones. Only around Vert Cita (and having quests around). Shameful. About some saying is only starting area .... could be ... but not according to what I have read. Flight zones and timer are it looks still pretty limited. I left however because at around lv. 17-18 when I have leveled all my 6 alts and discovered that I'm unable to find any quest except few group quests. Have chatted a alot and many complained about this, few being above lv. 30. Up to this level was very nice playing and experience.

O, yes. Nearly forgot. No matter popularity or not ... is to blame only producer to have around 3 - 4 hour login times. When I had time to play whole evening .. no problem. But when I wanted to play at night and had around max. 2 hours of gameplay time and only waiting was nearly double .... Another good reason I left.

About support ... one of the worst ever.

Gold spammers ... more in this few weeks then in Wow in whole year. Besides in Wow (and any other game) are removed promptly ... here same gold spammer was spamming for days and days despite many reportings only from me.

All in all ... I enjoed a lot this time in Aion .... but they will have to work much much harder.

Originally posted by Suraknar

BTW you did not miss anything, it was a game that was populated with 50% gold farmers and gold sellers...gold in L2 was called Adena.

Agree with this. AION is the worst ever for gold spammers. Since day 1 i got in average 3 to 5 gold spamming whispers per hour. And despite being in Korea out  - as i understand - for a year ..... only after about 2 weeks they have at least added shortcut to block whispers. But no reporting. So one must stugle through complicated "help" system that never get reponse. Then I have reported *same* player (that was very pervasive) around 3 times .... yet after about 1 week after first report he was still in and happily spamming with whispers my other alts that have still not blocked him or even in general chat. Nobody at Aion it looks cares at all for gold spammers. Maybe because main players base are they.

But main reason I left permanently with 6 alts between 16 and 18 was when I discovered that after that level game becomes more or less disgusting grind fest for leveling. Up to this level however quests I admit are pretty fun. I enjoyed that first levels but lost all interest when I have discoved sad truth. Well ... I have not maxed out to speak from personal experience ... but have read from forums or chatted with much higher level players.

Originally posted by gkk1212

Originally posted by Evolution8

What will i be you ask?? I will be one of the thousands that throw it in the trash, damn korean grind fest

 

noob.. go throw it away go back to WoW were you belong...

you can't deal with a game that needs intellect to play, not just pressing keys over an over you WoW players make me sick.

stay with your heads in the sand!

 

Well ... your intellect must be pretty low then. Aion is after around lv. 18 pure grind fest ... you need 0 intelelct for this.

Originally posted by Evolution8

What will i be you ask?? I will be one of the thousands that throw it in the trash, damn korean grind fest

Exactly, count me also. I enjoed up to around lv. 17 or 18  when discovered that otherwise pretty good guesting is over for good.  Starts classical korean grind trash playing. Ok, still few group quests that can not be soloed. And do not wish to spend hours for looking for group for exclusively group quests. Got there with 6 alts ... and now stopped permanently  to play once discovered this sad fact.

Some say there is at some levels for short still some questing ... but rest to end game it looks is pure grind.

I can speak only for all classes up to 15 (I have - so far, as I love to level all classes nearly at same time - only 2 lv. 17, both mages, rest 16 except ranger and gladiator), but so far the worst of the worst is ranger. Just bad. Damage (upgrades or not) from bow is just silly. Class specific abilities not even to mention.

For me is terrible design flow if somebody has to play ranger as assassin up to 19 or so. Or if some class is ridiculously weak nearly up to half of levels.
 

Ok, of course is possible I need to "learn" the class, maybe I’m not playing right ... but then this should be problem for me with all classes ... but it is not. Only ranger. So far the most disappointing class is ranger. Despite I'm forcing myself to play it. Have tryed differetn approach ... nothing work. Again, ok, .... always somebody is first and somebody last ... but ranger last place lags terribly behind its predecessor.

Game has surpassed my expectations, fun, adictive, fast paced, very good graphics and run very fluidly on my computer .... But if somebody have 1 to 2 hours time to play at evening but only queue is double of this .... then there is nothing to add. Will never buy a car that I will be unable to drive. And it is their fault, nothing else matter. Inacceptable.