Originally posted by Angelof2070

Originally posted by asdar

Perma-death will never work,

 

 

Also, you're wrong.

There are already MMO's all over that have perma-death, and they DO work.

They have thousands of players.

Just goes to show...

and there are games with FFA PvP and full loot and no perma-death that have hundreds of thousands of players (EVE),

just goes to show?

he took it like a man.  he beat you 1v1, was a good sport, and even when you tried to taunt him he seemed fine with it.  I don't think he is the one who lost his Dignity.

Originally posted by Tyvolus5

Originally posted by Xodus316

I've finally reached 20, and have managed to fight a couple Asmodians who rifted in. But I'm really hating how late you can start pvp. In Warhammer, AoC, you can pvp from level 1. Here I have to wait 5 more levels till I can get some good PvP in. They really should have opened things up earlier, because grinding out quests sucks.

 

"In Warhammer, AoC, you can pvp from level 1"

And how are those games doing today ?  think about that next time you start shouting on about them.

wait, you can PvP in AoC from level 1? its almost a single player game till level 20.

so... you mean like what EVE did? years ago?

playing WoW, watching anime.  it'll be tomorrow soon, sadly most of my guild is going asmo, so I'll only be able to pester them in WoW.

Originally posted by Azzkicka

want world pvp ? easy....

get rid of arena, get rid of bgs, get rid of flying mounts, and balance the server pops.

You now officially have world pvp....

WoW players in general don't PvP for fun.  its sad, because it can be tons of fun, but most PVP is based off rewards.  people do BGs to get honor for gear, to get marks, to get achievements.  when Blizz wants people to do something less often, they give out rewards less often (see WG).

removing those things wouldn't mean much.  we might see a small rise in world PVP, but odds are it will last as long as city raids lasted.

Originally posted by Wikidex

 

said some stuff I don't care about.

completely off topic but... your avatar! That game! I used to play it on my dad's old 286 all the time! I didn't think i'd ever see it again.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

 

 

WOW is simply the most played game in our western PC gaming world.

no matter how much you say that, it won't make it true.  The Sims has always been ahead of WoW.

And I have yet to see zorn list one original feature.  everything he claims is original is from a game a few years older that he just hasn't happened to play yet.

WoW is a good game, but lets not spout out that it is anything like original.  its like Mario 3.  yes it was almost exactly like mario 1, but we all liked it a lot more.

Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

 

 

How about who did it the fastest?

How about who did it with the least amount of people in their raid?

How about who did it while not losing any raid members?

 

There are no gauges in place, its totally arbitrairy, making these guys a bunch of random hardcore gamers whos game choice means absolutly nothing to anyone else besides their members.

actually, there are.  world firsts are a gauge that most WoW players accept because it means figuring things out.  when Ensidia (the old version) cleared naxx right before DnT it was a big deal, because both guilds had spent i think months sitting at a single boss encounter, that no one in the world could beat.  no one had figured out the best way, and worked as hard.

then these 2 guilds figured it out, and beat them, getting the world first and second, and then cleared the hardest instance in Vanilla WoW (which got first at the time was a big debate, due to kel'thuzad bugging out at 2% for one of the guilds)

and now WoW has added the achievements.  An achivement that can only be achieved if you clear (new/easy) naxx without anyone dying all in 1 raid period.  and the first people to get that achievement get points.

And while I agree with you, "best" is hard to justify.  in WoW there has almost been 1-2 guilds that are just SO far ahead of everyone else, that you really can't argue.  these people beat the Wrath expansion in 3 days.  they are the only ones who have completed all the "hard mode" fights in the new content.

So sadly, they do have some claim to the title #1 guild.  I personally think they would lose that title in an instant if Asia was getting WoW content at the same time the western world was getting it, but they aren't.  These people don't just kill bosses, the solve them, the rest of the WoW community uses their solution to kill.

that said, meh, screw raiding, its just who can figure out gimmicks.  and Arena ratings are just who can abuse the currently most overpowered teams.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

The only sycophantic - me-me-me assXXXX" I meet are mostly situated in the forums. Impossible to communicate with when talking about the single most succesful video game ever made in the last 30 years.

sorry zorn, better go check your facts.  the Sims currently holds the title of most succesful video game of all time.

but as to your other points... the arena only helps balance the arena.  datamining is only useful if it is in the setting you want data on.  case in point: Drinking in the arena.  they couldn't balance that, but the problem was only in the arena.  if the arena was a great tool to balance the whole game, why doesn't it take 4 seconds to get full benifit from drinks in PvE or BGs?

and while you like to say "so called WoW killers" so much, plenty of other games are far better balanced than WoW.  and they don't have to force a form of the game that most of the population dislikes on people.

i don't see how its any different than going to see a band live.  its a big event, lots of fun, and the costume contest is great.  I would never go there, but thats just me.  So try to understand people, its a fun event so if people enjoy it just let them.

i don't think any MMO has ever killed any other MMO,  they tend to die on their own.  people need to stop saying wowkiller, nothing will kill wow, and i don't think WoW killed any other MMO.

I'm just really glad they did away with the "key item" system from Lineage2.  that was the worst part of the crafting system there.  overall I'm enjoying the crafting system.  some items from killing mobs, some items from harvesting, its a good mix and the items are for the most part very good.

I think EVE and Lineage2 did it far better.  you don't see people running around nekkid with newbie weapons avoiding the death penalty in PvP.

Cryptor got off a quick ninja edit before I could quote him.  someone is happy with the game, let them be, you don't have to get snarky.

and the sims is still kicking every other game in the worlds collective ass.  god something about that game...

so because its 5min que times, its not a grind?  power to you for twinking at 60, but you can do the same at 80.  I see mostly 1-2min ques, and just run around healing people in WSG because I find it fun.

yes WoW is a grind, most MMOs are, but some of us find fun things to do.   you are enjoying PvP at 60, I enjoy PvP at 29 on my hunter and 80 on my druid.   sadly the changes to BGs are going to make que times MUCH longer pre-80 by seperating the twinks and non-twinks.

Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

Originally posted by ronan32

Originally posted by Serulith

The Asmodians are what your looking for, though in my opinion they are the lesser evil out of the 2 playable factions.

 

no, if you have red eyes and horns you're evil.

elyos are not evil, just superior :)

 

yeah but if you read the lore, elyos are clearly the dicks. Far more evil in my opinion.

Both sides are clearly dicks.  one of the things I like best about the lore in Aion is that both sides seem equally unwilling to understand the other.

Originally posted by ghost047

Originally posted by Majinash

otherwise he just seems to not know what he is talking about.  like you said, there is no "in the past" Aion has never been very grindy, cept the abyss point system, but I only say that from what i've heard, I havn't been able to get into that yet.

I think you are the one who doesn't know what your talking about as you clearly said.

I was talking about the abyss point grind, not the level grind.  The level grind itself is pretty much not there.  its even eaiser to level in Aion than vanilla WoW.  the fact that I got to 20 in 1 weekend, without ever having played the game before, shows there is no grind.  and that was version 1.0, the original launch.  so it never used to be a grind like you say.  I just don't want to comment on abyss points (which are actually optional, you can PvP without ever farming for points) because i've only played the game to 25.

shoo troll.

Well I guess I'm just odd because I'm not one bit interested in FFIV.  I'm already angry enough at Square-enix for 11 and 12.  first they made it an MMO, then they made my single player version into a single player MMO.  I loved the series for their story based single player RPGs, and I wish they would stick with it, and simply make a new franchise for their MMOs.

screw you FFIV! gimme back my single player game!