Originally posted by Brixon

Originally posted by Daedalus732

Originally posted by Brixon

There seems to be a lot of homophobia going on with the people who have a problem with people playing a character of the opposite gender. It's no ones business how people want to play the game, but the person playing the game.

Another disturbing trend in this post is the willingness of some people to give China a pass on it's long history of denying human rights and freedom to it's people. It's real easy for people who have never lived in tyranny, to underestimate the blessings of their own liberty.

 

I don't think it's homophobia or a problem with sexual orientation, but rather a problem with gender bending. The two can sometimes be related, but in this case, the focus is on gender, not sexual orientation.

Unless I read the OP wrong, this is a private company, not the government, setting up this requirement.

Also, I don't think this qualifies as a human rights violation. Plenty of private companies levy restrictions on their employees private lives, even in the U.S., and no one complains because most people agree that a private company has the right to decide such things.

Given that we're talking about a game restriction, I think it's a little insulting to put this in the same category as, say, the crackdown on protesters in the post-Iranian election period.

Problems with gender bending seem a liltte homophobic to me.

Would this "private company" be doing this if was anywhere else but China?
 

I personally think the Aurora company would do this regardless since I've been actually reading forums and blogs of the beta. The change was asked by the players due to a imbalance in games. What is it exactly I don't know it is 10-15 pages of QQ and troll that I don't want to read.

Originally posted by Caleveira

That Chinas policy toward its own subjects is violatory of human rights and liberties is undisputed fact. Evidence may be derived from the work of NGOs like Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch, the different conventions derived from the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (to which the Peoples Republic of China is signatory) and their working bodies at the UN. Documentation by the US State Department as well as American Congressional comissions, not to mention similar works by most western nation states. Well publicized incidents in the media as well as investigative journalism by reputed sources such as Le Monde or the BBC.

Its only been two decades since the worst of the repression demonstrated by the Chinese government against the protestors in Tiananmen square, and the ongoing mistreatment of Tibetan and Uighur minorities were the subject of international attention in the past few months.

Anyone disputing that China does not pursue oppressive and dictatorial tactics against its own citizens is either uninformed or outright pursuing a personal agenda.

.....No one is saying they are not oppressive or dictatorial. It is a communist government what do you expect? Personally, I don't think the UN should've let China join just because the difference in government and beliefs of the people are too different. Instead of focusing on China if the Human Rights Watch actually do their jobs, there is probably a handful of third world countries causing genocides in Africa right now.

Originally posted by Toquio3

Originally posted by ozerinx

Originally posted by Toquio3

Originally posted by Brixon

There seems to be a lot of homophobia going on with the people who have a problem with people playing a character of the opposite gender. It's no ones business how people want to play the game, but the person playing the game.

Another disturbing trend in this post is the willingness of some people to give China a pass on it's long history of denying human rights and freedom to it's people. It's real easy for people who have never lived in tyranny, to underestimate the blessings of their own liberty.

 

THANK YOU!

 

I am going to assume you both lived in China and therefore are saying that it sucks?

I've lived there for 2 years and I thought it was great. Most the students I met there and people

that I know in US that were from China can't wait to finish college and go back. We may view communism as tyranny

but who cares if the people there don't really care.

Yes, in news your going to see extremist like tibet monks etc that hate their country but you have those type of people

in every country.

 

Except in civilized countries, those peaceful "extremists" dont get shot by the police, and political refugees are not sent back to their country of origin to face consequences for leaving.. and calling people who just want freedom extremists is pretty extreme.

Please learn to read news from all sources instead of just media. The Tibetan monks were attacking other civilians before they got shot. If there were "protest" like that in the US, force would be used in the States as well. There were a video that you obviously did not see where a random Chinese civilians got beat by a group of Tibetan monks and drag across the floor. Also, regarding that incident you do know why the monks protested? They wanted China to pass a law in the Tibetan area only Monks are allowed to be educated. They also want to be self governed. So let me ask you, if Californians all got together and protested to be separated and become independent of United States, would military force be used?

Originally posted by Toquio3

Originally posted by Brixon

There seems to be a lot of homophobia going on with the people who have a problem with people playing a character of the opposite gender. It's no ones business how people want to play the game, but the person playing the game.

Another disturbing trend in this post is the willingness of some people to give China a pass on it's long history of denying human rights and freedom to it's people. It's real easy for people who have never lived in tyranny, to underestimate the blessings of their own liberty.

 

THANK YOU!

I am going to assume you both lived in China and therefore are saying that it sucks?

I've lived there for 2 years and I thought it was great. Most the students I met there and people

that I know in US that were from China can't wait to finish college and go back. We may view communism as tyranny

but who cares if the people there don't really care.

Yes, in news your going to see extremist like tibet monks etc that hate their country but you have those type of people

in every country.

Originally posted by Toquio3

Originally posted by ozerinx

You've been trolling this thread and venting about china for the past 9 pages. You need some therapy.

I am not from China I dislike their government and policies myself but to talk shit about a country that you only know about through media/news is naive.

 

hm I see. So when you watch a political debate on TV about a touchy topic where the discussion gets heated, you think those discussing whatever topic need therapy? You know nothing about me, yet are perfectly happy to assume Im what, crazy? thats cool.

You just proved to me that you need help. You believe this is a political debate on TV about a touchy topic. Before you make accusations about China first read the news connected to the topic first. Then research about it.

Never said you were crazy said you were naive and need therapy since you did a lot of "venting" obviously you have some sort of anger problem or deep long hatred towards China. Did China abuse you when you were little or did he sexually harassed you?

You've been trolling this thread and venting about china for the past 9 pages. You need some therapy.

I am not from China I dislike their government and policies myself but to talk shit about a country that you only know about through media/news is naive.

Let's get on topic they are only implementing a "ban" for their newly developed game called "King of the World". Now I don't know much about the game nor do I want to research it. I assume that queen's give benefits etc so their ban is basically making it so they draw in female players.

Torquio your a retard. We get it you hate china now suck it up and go QQ in a corner.

i would like to know the answer to this question as well since i haven't bought TSO yet. D:

So far we have illy and wizard, have two or three more people that might wanna play but they can't decide what to play.

Ah thanks, I am not a type of person that makes a bunch of toons so I tend to perfect my main. When I played eq1 i spend so much time on my main i didn't have any time to play my toon. That is why I am really interested in what both game has to offer as end game content instead of early stuff. Thanks for the responses.

How about end game content wise? I am a pretty active raider so that is kinda important to me. Thanks for quick response :D

hehe that is where the dilema is, I have accounts in both and played both last month. Everquest 2, i am already end game and raiding a lot while vanguard i only got to 35ish. I heard from most people that Vanguard end game is super dead but I also heard there are new contents so I am stuck ! lol.

hmm anyone?

For people that are subscribed to both accounts which is more fun to play do you think. I've played both

and can't decide on which one I would like to stick to and resubscribe. EQ2 has better end game and raid

contents from the looks of things. And Vanguard has better system and overall gameplay?

personally speaking, NCsoft game how easy are u expecting them to make leveling? wait until u get like 30s or 40s

just kind of curious... did no one read forums for asian releases... GG has been in since asian releases lol.  Personally, i hate it too and was never hyped for  Aion but, GG just kills a game and is completely useless (bot wise). GG prevents "hacks" and such.

ah damn, anyone here running Vanguard on intel video card like the 128mb ones i think. Is it playable on lowest setting or its still skippy?

ah i have what objeff has geforce gtx 9800, 8gb memory ram, and duo oc to about 3.0 ghz

but my friend with laptops intel video card iono how that is going to work out.

I've read a lot of reviews and post from this forum and the main forum about performance issues. Is it really still that bad? I thought the developers have fixed this and is not working on new contents?

I played when it first came out and quit due to the performance issues and how everything was so buggy.

 I personally have a Geforce 9800 gtx card but my friend on the other hand is running on thsoe prebuilt in laptop crap the intel blah blah?? he did the performance test online and it said he can run the game but I don't realy believe it from the screenshots I've seen.

Xeon I was wondering what server do play on in Vanguard, and I heard there are two servers that are PvE populated but which one is better?