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Top down or isometric view just does not make it feel like you are IN the world but rather like you are a bird flying above it. I would rather be able to switch between 1st or 3rd person view in an  MMO. In fact, I really don't think that if the game has anything other then 1st and/or 3rd person view that it is really an MMO. Given the people involved with this game, can't see them doing the top down at all.


Originally posted by Dullahan
Originally posted by Sojhin
Knocking another game when the game you are making looks clunkly at best is a bad move.

It doesn't have to be good.  What he did was a success.  He got people to look at his game.  People who otherwise would of never heard of it, got to see it and a few of them will undoubtedly try it.

Personally I like some of what I saw, but it lacks the depth for me to play.  The whole limited grinding thing and seasons with server wipes is not my idea of an MMORPG.  Grinding is only a bad thing if its designed poorly.  It can be fun and I believe long term progression should be weaved throughout all forms of gameplay in an MMO.  Otherwise, I'd just play FPS games and forget about MMOs forever.


You are correct, it gets people to look at his game. And on that note, I was unimpressed. I would rather play AA before playing his. That is not saying that I am willing to go back to AA at this point. I do think his points are well stated if not mostly self serving. AA had some great points but also had some really annoying points which has turned many people away from that game (including me). But again, I did not see ANYTHING in this Das Tal that looking even worth looking into further.


Seems to me that the best way to solve any of this is to just charge the same FLAT FEE up front and forget all this phoney "pay as you go". But then again, if you wish to be taken advantage of, go ahead and make THEIR day.

[3] So if you think it's P2W don't buy it. Don't play it. 



Well, Smed convinced me. I choose #3.

I was interested in this game up until I heard it was going to be so-called "f2p". No "f2p" models out there are truthful in that someone has to spend money for the game to work and devs have to be devious about how they try to get you to spend that money. In the case of H1Z1, there was the "promise" that such things as these "air drops crates" would not include things like guns or ammo or other essentials. The devs could not resist, as most des cannot, the temptation to try to milk money out of players. If the game were truly "free", no money would change hands....AND THAT SIMPLY CANNOT HAPPEN FOR A GAME TO SUCCEED. But to succeed does not mean you build a huge wall between paying customers and those will to pay at least the price of admission. H1Z1 is (even if now at a reduced amount) bilking or at least attempting to bilk paying players.


I will pay upfront for my games. I get what I pay for and so does everyone else. There is a level playing field that way. DROP THE F2P non-sense NOW!


There is no such thing as f2p if YOU end up spending money while playing. There are no "good" f2p models out there. They all over hype the "free" portion but none of them could survive if people did not spend money in them. Therefore, they are not free.

In regards to early access, it is fine to pay for early access IF you are not going to being paying again to play the game at launch AND if the game is not going to launch as so-called "f2p". You also have to expect that there is a chance that an early access game may never be finished. So, in that light, early access should at least have enough features and be as bug free as possible before you decide to plunk down $$ for that early access.

Originally posted by Nanfoodle
Originally posted by cheyane
It's f2p right so the airdrop is your way of supporting the game I think. No big deal . Don't see an issue here. I only see freeloaders who do not want to spend anything.

I have heard the SoE devs say that even people who pay nothing to their games add something to the game they feel its worth keeping them playing. So the paid players have people to team with etc. 


That's right, they need "cannon fodder" for those whales to stay playing. Sorry, I am not getting paid by this sorts of games to keep them going. If they want me to stay, they had better level the playing field.


I still play BF4. I never had the problems with the game that some had. At the moment, I think most of the complaints are from those that AREN'T playing and are just dredging up the old hurt. The OP's premise is truely misleading.


F2P game that is askng $39 so that I can play and test their alpha version. No thanks. The fact that it is going to be F2P(at offical launch) is enough for me to stay away completely.

I see no MMO's coming or out now that are worth my time.

I am currently playing X Rebirth 3.0; Far Cry 4 and Rome Total War II.

Looking forward to The Division (NOT an MMO, more of a COOPRPG) and Witcher 3. But mostly The Division.

F2P and ingame shops have killed MMO's.


I am not buying any of this. LOTRO is a great game and...after is f2p. If it is f2p is has to be making money no matter what.


Originally posted by DMKano
Originally posted by MassAuthority

PAX Prime 2014: Gigantic

This will be a hit.

It's a MOBA now - the game originally was going to be a mobile game - but they scrapped it and made a MOBA.

That's what some devs studios do now - hey WoW clones didn't work - so lets try to get a piece of that MOBA pie.

Will it be a hit? *define HIT* - like LoL hit - not a chance.

It will be moderately successful like Smite - very possibly.

Lets wait and see - I personally would say - I don't think LoL has anything to worry about.




In the first minute of the youtube vid the dev says they do NOT* consider it a "moba". It is more a 3rd person shooter without the guns (also mentioned in the vid).

The graphics style reminds me of another game that was released last year. Didn't much care for that one and don't see myself going for this one. To each their own. And with that said, I  highly doubt that this game will be a "hit" as the OP thinks. Time will tell.

*miss typed and forgot the "NOT".

SOE is not the only company doing this. They all control what goes on in  their game and therefore they can at a whim change things to cost you more. Thing is most people won't notice. That is the shaddy part. I would much rather pay up front a sub OR upfront a box/digital price then deal with this sort of thing. F2P is NOT free.


So-called "f2p" may or may not be a scam. It is at the least DISHONEST advertising. As has been said 99% of those "f2p" mmo's allow you to start there game without playing. But, once you are at a point you need to advance to enjoy the game, you almost MUST purchase something to continue. If you want to KEEP UP with everyone that is purchasing the better items, then you must choose to either do the same or be left behind. It is kind of like breathing, you can do it for free but if you don't by this gas mask we are going to poison the air and really make it difficult.

As to those saying that they f2p model is great for those that wish to try the game first, I say your right. But they once called that a free limited demo. Now, they just add in that ability to start scamming money from you at the start.


Originally posted by Pepeq
My Dad has played F2P MMORPGs for many years.  He averages about 18 hours per day.  Yes, he is retired (he retired in 1994).  He has over 200 characters in one game alone.  Why does he play them?  He has absolutely nothing else to do in his life other than eat, sleep, and defecate (in that order).  Pray your life isn't as meaningless when you retire. 


"He has over 200 characters in one game alone." I had to laugh at that. If he in fact has that many in a so-called "f2p" game, he PAID a good deal of CASH for that acheivement. That is why the whole "f2p" scam is just that.


If I were to pick just one, I would choose EVE Online. Even though I am not playing it anymore, it is still heads and shoulders above ANY MMO currently out there. At one time I would have said LOTRO but the whole "f2p" thing ruined that it has many others.

I really don't think of "The Division" as a traditional MMO. To me is is going to be more of a co-op RGP (CORPG) with some minor PvP elements thrown in IF the player wishes. While there may be some areas with more real players then just your small group as "social hubs", you won't see massive numbers of  players in the game.

I also think Star Citizen will not be your traditional MMO. CR has said that you will probably not see "hundreds" of people competing in the game, In fact, the vastness of space is most likely not going to see more the eight to sixteen players in any one instance (again per CR).

Originally posted by Adjuvant1

Is this basically a Freelancer clone? Worse yet, is it an XRebirth clone?

Why can't I find much about what this game "is" other than a space tf2? Is there an actual single player story line? Is it sandboxy? Do I make and skillup a crew? Can I be a trader? Can I buy new ships? Can I have a fleet of ships? Is there crafting?


Freelancer? No. X Rebirth? No (unfortunately). Sandboxy? Mostly. Crew? No. Trader? Yes. Buy ship? Yes. Fleet? No. Craftig? Do not know, never saw any but someone mentioned it recently.

As to it not being X Rebirth, I have been playing more hours in XR of late then ED. Why? XR just updated to version 3.0 and the game works great. New (free) DLC as well. I have actually found there to be far more to do in XR then in ED. Both games look good but content is key. Now that XR has been so massively fixed from the launch condition it "suffered" from, I will be playing much more XR.

I have recently gone back to playing X Rebirth. Just recently it was updated to 3.0 with new "free" DLC. While I know that it was to many a mess at launch, Egosoft has put in a lot of work to fix many things. Not all will be happy with it as it is still missing some things that were in previous X games, but it is much closer is to me is fun.

The only reason I mention this is that after putting in about 20 hours with X Rebirth and having played ED in the recent Gamma, Rebirth has a lot of things that ED does not. Certainly, not having the ability to play with (or against) other players might be a downside in Rebirth for some. To me, it does not matter. So, I am not even sure IF I will be playing ED anytime soon. I will but I just have too much I can do elsewhere and get into space.

I stopped playing even though I have about a month and a half left of paid playing time. The game has become too grindy and for too restrictive to be of an future fun for me.
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