That's not true. You can offline craft when being a free player. Also instancing isn't too heavy. About 99% of the world aren't instanced. The only problem so far is lag.

Most players however go P2P because of the crafting limitation, but there are also folks that simply don't craft.

Can you please stop calling Flash games browser games? Just because there is a flash plugin for browsers it doesn't make it a browser MMO. It's a standalone application based on the Flash framework.

There are real browser MMOs using actual web standards like a WebGL based 3D engine.

EDIT: Count me in, I also won't ever create a Facebook account.

I hate what it became. Ultima Online was magical, but with Age of Shadows the downfall began. :(

There are a number of really good MMOFPS. Some of them even have politics, which is the most awesome thing in an MMO. Face of Mankind for example. However, I left it because of the community, which can be awesome but sucked at that point. Another one is Neocron, which, ten years all is in many respects years ahead of any other other MMO. It has some perofmance issues and the geaphics are not the best (howewver there are enhancements provided by the community!) and best of all: It's free to play. Then there are two others. Planetside, which is for people who love action and Fallen Earth. I don't know about Huxley.

I think there aren't any other real MMOFPSs. The rest is just instance and small scale stuff. This isn't bad, but to me MMO means that there can be lots of players on a single spot and there is a certain amount of persistence.

Originally posted by dany300

is this game populated?

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yep and it rocks!

Hi

In my opinion this game is way underrated. It has everything a good MMOFPS needs and way more. You don't ever get bored and it has a onetime fee of just 20 bucks.

Why is not there more hype about it. I found about it by accident. Why isn't it more popular?

Does it have something to do with the fact that most games that use MMO and FPS elements are just crap and not really MMOFPSs? I guess games like this are just overseen by tons of bad games.

Just wanted to tell you that I finally found a really nice game with Global Agenda. Since a small part of the game is free everyone should try it. It's a bit sad that you can't try everything. So look up some videos on Youtube if you want to know how it is.

Oh and I have been playing MMOs for years (no, not WOW :P), so it isn't just a post from someone who just doesn't know any good games.

The two bad things I could find is that the installer/patcher has an EVIL bug for some people and the website isn't that good, but that's something I always complain about.

I really wanted to try the game, as soon as my current games get boring. I have been following Fallen Earth pretty much since it was announced. There are some tiny reasons why I have not tried the game yet. For example everyone says it is not polished yet and so I'll stick to my current games for now. As I said I've been following the development of  FE pretty closely and I am a bit sad, because I thought it would become F2P. No, not because of dated graphics or something like that, but I think such sandbox games have a big profit from high player numbers. I mean that is why EVE has only a single server. On the other hand I understand it is harder for small and more independend companies to start out with such a concept. P2P games also tend to have a more mature community, which is a reason I would try the game. However in the last time I see a shift. Older players switch to F2P and younger ones play games with monthly fees. I also like the Entropia Universe concept because it was a very adult-friendly saytem. However there are also more young players there.

Okay now what I intended to say in first place.

Since I generally do not agree with MMORPG.coms reviews I'm afraid this game won't be something for me.

And I have some questions:

Is the community mature?

Does real role play exist?

Are there many players online?

I don't like the new graphics. I like the flair of the older graphics.

Everything looks so clean and clear on the new engines, even if you turn all details and the best textures on. I also don't like games to look real. AO and some 3D MMOs from that time have a style which isn't "realistic" (okay, todays graphics aren't either, but...) and not that (most of the time bad) comic graphics. I really like that. I also like these old Halflife/Quake-like graphics like in Deus Ex or Face of Mankind to name an MMO.

The best comic graphics were available in Seed. It's sad it doesn't exist anymore.

I guess the author of the article has

a) never played a P&P RP

b) never played a good MMO

c) never been a role player and therefor says there are none

d) a bored life because of writing such bad article

e) no idea on what to write about

I mean if he would have written that's interesting to read or something real about why the role play server are overrun by non-roleplayers. The real problem is that most role players would like an environment like the auther described as fantasy and such environments also exist. No, I don't tell you where, because if I write it here, they will be overrun by a lot of stupid morons.

I have three solutions for the bad RP server in many MMOs:

Everyone has to write a _good_ char story befor getting in game.

A player referring system: You need somone, who lets you in. If you allow stupid people to join you get kicked/banned

A ranking system: If you prove to be able to role play you will be able to do more.

I guess if you pay at least 10 bucks a month a gaming company should be able to maintain good RP servers. If not, they are not worth there money. There are a lot of communities, who are able to do this for free and everyone, who really wants to play good RP should be able to find them.

Another tip: Don't expect good RP in a game, where your job is to kill monsters or players 24/7 and don't expect to be able to join them without a char story or a monthly fee.

IIRC the role play in 'A tale in desert' wasn't too bad.

To all role players: Good luck find your game ;)

 I guess I'll play the games in their trials and choose one.

I've already tried Eve, but didn't play much, because I had not much time. It's a really nice game and IIRC it had a pretty big tutorial maybe that's the reason for the more mature community. I also heard good things about LotR online, but I'm not a big fan of LotR fantasy. And I have bigger problems with NC, than with SOE, so I'm not sure about I'll try their superhero game, but I heard only good stuff about it.

Tthis summer will be an MMO test summer.

Hi,
 
do you know a game for/played by adults?
No I'm not looking for an other extreme violent or erotic MMO.
It doesn't have to be for 18+ or something, but I'm looking for game, where there are mostly mature players.
I hate those communities, where people are too childish and take they more serious than the real life. I also don't like it, when everyone uses l33tspeak and asks "h0w R u eY?!!"

It can be every kind of MMO and also every setting.

Oh: It can of course be erotic or violent, but in most cases there are more teens than in most other games I guess ;)

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Originally posted by Mathillas

I have to disagree with the OP.  I think its ironic to say that WoW is successful but is a crappy game.

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So much about Successful doesn't mean good. It's just good marketing with a huge target group: Players of other Blizzard games, their friends and people, who haven't played an MMORPG yet. So you can say it is a good game for this group.

Just try any other MMORPG, there are plenty of people saying "Wow, this is much better than WoW". Especially in Guild Wars there were lots of people saying this. They read about it somewhere or a friend invited them to play it. Lots of people switched to Guild Wars, but even if its better than WoW, I wouldn't call it a good MMO either.

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That's like saying Starbucks has crappy coffee and that's why there is one on every freaking corner.  WoW is an easy game. It has never been marketed as a hardcore game. It's meant for people who only have 8-15 hours a week to play.

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Okay, I don't like Starbucks coffee, but that's a matter of taste I guess ;)
I agree with you partially. It's good for people, who don't no more and don't play much, but I think a F2P game would be better suited for most of them. They often have some more features and I guess it's good for their pocket. Item malls usually have exactly the right items for these non-hardcore players and most F2P games are WoW clones anyway. But everyone should play, what he likes.
 

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WoW is nowhere near an asian style grinder. There is alot more diversity in quests, plus you don't need to farm the same mob for 7 hours straight to fill in the XP gap between levels.

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The community sucks, well, so does every other community. Eve is full of elitist jerks...wait!! so is EQ2, UO, DAOC, Darkfall, AOC....that's right they all have idiots in them. Time to get HARDCORE and stop crying about it. What do you want, a community where everyone gets along. Where in the REAL world does that happen?? NOWHERE!!

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You usually don't find good communities in too big games. It's like everywhere in the internet and in real life. It's usually better, if there are not too many people. I'm not completely sure why, but I think stupid people are egoistic and to be heard, so they look for a place with lots of people and try to do something so other get aware of them. Of course they don't care what people think about them, but they want people to think about them. Maybe you find some kind of psychological profile of trolls on the internet. They have been there since the early ages of the web and now they play MMOs ;)

Oh and they tend to play easy games, because they are too stupid for something more complex. This doesn't have todo with a game being bad, because lots of cool games are very easy to play.

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So to finish off, is WoW easy mode?? Yes, but so is every other MMORPG. I can macro skills in UO and Darkfall. I can get my friends to play AoC with me and we can level to 80 in a matter of weeks. Remember that games with no users sucks, just ask Shadowbane. If you don't like WoW, don't play it. If you want to trash a game and it's users because your too good/elite/hardcore for them, then play the HARDCORE games and stay in your momma's basement eating hotpockets for weeks on end. At least your not procreating and disrupting the real life community that we casual gamers enjoy on nights we don't play. 

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There are many reasons for making a game bad and most of them are subjective, but the main reason for WoW being bad is that it didn't bring anything new to the market, when it came out. The developers didn't think much about anything revolutionary, they copied the most basic things of other MMOs and inserted the WC3 races. If this is what you like, it's good for you, if not it will be bad. The reason for WoW being that successful is that most people have what they want, but as I said most of these people didn't try a lot of other MMOs. That's completly fine. The only problem is that a lot of companies copy WoW (as P2P and F2P), because they think they'll have a success with it.
 

To all the "we have the technology" people: We had it seven yeas ago... see Neocron!

Originally posted by serjndestroy

Well, Linus Torvalds is Finnish, and he started the linux project, but it's development is spread across the world, so it may originate from Finland, but it isn't quite a Finnish project, any more than Ubuntu is a South African project.

That's not really corrext. It's true that Linux started Linux, but Linux is only a kernel. While this it is an integral part of the operating system GNU, which is what you are usually talking about, when you say Linux already existed, when Linux was born. It's called Linux, because the original Kernel for GNU named Hurd has a very slow development process. Linux is replacing it, that's why a lot of people say GNU/Linux.

It's a bit confusing, but in short: What you see is GNU.

A user (and even most developers) don't get it contact with Linux itself.

AFAIK GNU was born in the USA. GNU means Gnu is not Unix (it's a clone) and their goal was to make an open source operating system to change everything, if you want to. BSD (which IS a kind Unix) even existed before GNU and is also Open Source and is compatible with GNU/Linux (and GNU/Hurd).

So much about history. :)

Depends on the game. But in most games a good balance is the best.

If you really think GW is a good MMO, than nearly all free MMOs are goold *lol*

Guild Wars is more or less a D2 clone. Wait, don't think I've always thought like this. I even preordered the collectors edition. I've played it a long time and had a lot of fun, but it isn't that good. There is no difference between most asian grinders and guild wars. There are movie sequences, which you have in some F2P grinders, a city is a lobby and there is not presistent world besides this. And there is the PVP. Fury had the same, it was P2P, then F2P and finally it was taken down, because nobody (which means, not enough) liked it.

BTW: Even Arenanet says it's not an MMORPG. It's a competive multiplayer game, like Diablo (in Battlnet) is. There is nothing bad about this, but there are a lot of such games. F2P of course.

I've played a lot of F2P and P2P MMO(RPG)s and 70% were shit. Maybe 95% after the WOW disaster. Yeah, I've even looked forward to this game, because I had trust in Blizzards skills.

This game introduces a new style (a vertical shooter) of gamplay, which makes it unique. Especially, if you compare it to all this WOW-clones. So that's IMO a huge reason to take it into the list. It's the first MMO I enjoyed longer than three minutes since a while.

Maybe I should make a list of crappy P2P games, good F2P games, crappy F2P games and good F2P gampes to have something to compare and to be sure that it is really shit. All the new P2P games get hyped because of features which have been in use in F2P games for a while, but what's even more worse is that most of the new P2P MMORPGs lie about features and are WOW clones in ugly design, which need more expensive HW, cost more, have ugly EULAs,  etc. But that's OT I guess.

Hi,

why isn't Valkyrie Sky in the list? It's really a damn good MMORPG. Yea, Cross Over of MMORPG and vertical shooter sounds bad, but try it. It makes damn much fun, is F2P and also has nice graphics.

I also have been stupid enough to pay a monthly fee for MMORPGs. With GuildWars (which I really don't like any more) this stopped. I have never played any P2P MMORPG since than.

There are plenty of reasons:

• It doesn'nt cost me money ;-)
• Most of the free MMORPGs I play are simply better or at least equal to P2P MMORPGs. (With two exceptions: There is nothing as good as Ultima Online or EVE)
• There are as much stupid people in F2P MMORPGs as there are in P2P ones
• There are more people in (most) F2P games
• You don't need micro transactions anymore to get forward in F2P games. Shops are only the alternative for people who would otherwise use gold farmers
• A decade ago most people said everyone who pays a monthly fee for a computer games is stupid. The server hsting is no argument in this days. Internet and hardware costs are cheap enough for a one-time fee. Most games are instanced and therefor are therefor cheaper for companies. The private servers show that even private people have enough money to set up a server

There are three games Iw ould try:

Requiem - if you want good graphics and a something like WoW with better graphics and more violent. Like WoW means an MMORPG with nothing too special

Atalantica: something more feature rich, anime style, fast-paced turn based game. So it's even something for people who normally don't like turn based games

IGGs games are also very good. They are all a bit different than typical MMORPGs

but you have to try them all. There are so many completly different types of free MMOs, so don't give up if you don't like the first ten or twenty.

I think the trend goes into the F2P direction. There are more and more very mature F2P MMORPGs and companies which make a lot of money with them. The only problem is that there are those people who say Free = Bad. They try one or two stupid games and think all of them are bad. Most recent games aren't.

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