All Posts by Va-le

Originally posted by Waterlily

You're 18, I'll let it pass.

I cannot waith until i am 28, then i can play WoW all day like you. You are a follower who is completely incapable of thinking for yourself, every subject you post on goes further towards validating that point.

Originally posted by Waterlily

Originally posted by Va-le

Yes you are a sheep. Congratulations. I find it highly amusing when someone highlights popularity as some vindication of quality.

 

Blizzard can make whatever they want and people can play whatever they want.

 

Go play Darkfall or something, I heard it's getting realesed real soon.

Everything you post on validates the fact that you can't think for yourself. The real point being that you proved my argument correct and made yourself look idiotic.

Originally posted by Waterlily

Originally posted by Va-le

Man made global warming is complete myth. Anybody who is capable of reading or knows even a modicum of history understands this. Let all the end is nigh sheep keep dreaming. The world goes through change, extreme hot, extreme cold, such is life.

Wrong.

 

Go read before you look like a tool:

 

 

MYTH: Global warming is just part of a natural cycle. The Arctic has warmed up in the past.

FACT: The global warming we are experiencing is not natural. People are causing it.

People are causing global warming by burning fossil fuels (like oil, coal and natural gas) and cutting down forests. Scientists have shown that these activities are pumping far more CO₂ into the atmosphere than was ever released in hundreds of thousands of years. This buildup of CO₂ is the biggest cause of global warming. Since 1895, scientists have known that CO₂ and other greenhouse gases trap heat and warm the earth. As the warming has intensified over the past three decades, scientific scrutiny has increased along with it. Scientists have considered and ruled out other, natural explanations such as sunlight, volcanic eruptions and cosmic rays. (IPCC 2001)

Though natural amounts of CO₂ have varied from 180 to 300 parts per million (ppm), today's CO₂ levels are around 380 ppm. That's 25% more than the highest natural levels over the past 650,000 years. Increased CO₂ levels have contributed to periods of higher average temperatures throughout that long record. (Boden, Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Center)

As for previous Arctic warming, it is true that there were stretches of warm periods over the Arctic earlier in the 20th century. The limited records available for that time period indicate that the warmth did not affect as many areas or persist from year to year as much as the current warmth. But that episode, however warm it was, is not relevant to the issue at hand. Why? For one, a brief regional trend does not discount a longer global phenomenon.

We know that the planet has been warming over the past several decades and Arctic ice has been melting persistently. And unlike the earlier periods of Arctic warmth, there is no expectation that the current upward trend in Arctic temperatures will reverse; the rising concentrations of greenhouse gases will prevent that from happening.

 

http://www.edf.org/page.cfm?tagID=1011

 

 

People who exhibit your kind of stupidity are dangerous. Your reading field is very narrow, this in turn creates naive, idiotic posts such as your own.

Originally posted by Waterlily

Originally posted by Va-le

No. it means your game has a bigger chance of being reduced to mindless trash, to fit in to the WoW ideal.

And the correct answer is: You are a noob for playing WoW.

No, it means other companies fail where Blizzard doesn't.

And I guess there's 10 million noobs then who are having fun and don't care.

And 1000 WoW haters who need to move on.

Yes you are a sheep. Congratulations. I find it highly amusing when someone highlights popularity as some vindication of quality. Blizzard make lowest common denominator games for the easily pleased masses. The fact that you think that this makes more high brow companies fail, goes a great way to proving my point. thank you.

Man made global warming is complete myth. Anybody who is capable of reading or knows even a modicum of history understands this. Let all the end is nigh sheep keep dreaming. The world goes through change, extreme hot, extreme cold, such is life. If we had the next ice age tommorrow humans would be on the fringe of extinction. Worrying about carbon emissions is a joke. world govement doesn't give a shit about green issues, what they give a shit about is taxation. Best way to deal with supposed climate change? stop destroying the rain forests. That cost's money instead of generates it, so i guess thats off the list.

Originally posted by Waterlily

I really don't get the WoW hate myself. I love WoW. WoW has made it possible for other, smaller MMO to survive. Every time a huge MMO has a succes it drives the MMO industry.

If you like the game or not doens't really matter. WoW made MMO mainstream, that means your game has a bigger chance of surviving and getting funds.

No. it means your game has a bigger chance of being reduced to mindless trash, to fit in to the WoW ideal.

And the correct answer is: You are a noob for playing WoW.

Great. A dungeon crawler with Diablo 2 graphics to be released at best around 2010?  This game will have a shelf life of around 2 weeks. What a waste of a decent ip. 

Originally posted by Thunderous

Why does it matter?  WoW and WAR are the same game.  One is a boring class/level grindfest and the other is a copy of the first.  I hope Bioware comes out and rocks both of them.

I hope some of these Sandboxes in development come out and steal a million or so subs as well.

I could not agree more.

Originally posted by donjn

Originally posted by Va-le

Sounded vaguely reasonable until the last paragraph, all of the mentioned games excluding Warhammer which is an unknown, are complete trash.

 

I think your statement above is completely unreasonable.

If you are going to sit here and tell me WoW, LOTRO and Age of Conan are COMPLETE trash, you should give up MMO's.

Why? Because i have standards? All of them games are unimaginative, derivative,childish, trash. The genre is at it's lowest point. Just because there is no choice doesn't automatically make the aforementioned games master piece's. Kung Fu panda is one of the only new film releases, but just because nothing else is about should i put it on  a par with Citizen Kane? See my point?

Originally posted by donjn

 

Here is my prediction two years from now, Summer of 2010...

World of Warcraft: 9 Million
7 Million Asia
1 Million USA
1 Million Europe

Warhammer: 4 Million
2 Million USA
1 Million Europe
1 Million Asia

Other Predictions..

Age of Conan
300k total

Darkfall (yes it will be released)
200k total

That's right, I believe that by two years Warhammer will more active US subscribers than WoW. The writing is on the wall. I have been following message boards for many months now, and currently Warhammer has a buzz that AoC and others never had. The US market is dying for something new

Of the current 10 million WoW has, 7 million of them are the Asian market. The remaining USA and Europe market will be pulled away. I listed some other "notables", so please dont ask why I didn't include "X" game. I think the MMO market is starving for something new so that's why I feel Darkfall at 200k will be somewhat of a success. I didnt list LOTRO or Vanguard because I think their numbers will stay the same.

The main point here is, I think if Warhammer turns out to be everything that is promised, the US market will jump on it.

Thoughts?

If this is the case then War will bomb. Although overall you are correct, your ideology is flawed. The reason why War will be very successful is because it is so similar to Warhammer, as for achieving WoW's numbers? That remains to be seen. It's their right to do it seeing as it was their original concept, but the game is just a WoW clone and that ultimately will be why it succeeds.

Sounded vaguely reasonable until the last paragraph, all of the mentioned games excluding Warhammer which is an unknown, are complete trash.

Originally posted by neonaka

 

Originally posted by warulven

 

Originally posted by neonaka

 

Originally posted by Nadia

even if sub counts are dropping  (and I'm not saying they are)

that wont be public knowledge until mid August

 

 

Nadia please do not take this the wrong way, but if you have been hopping around the net to find out the general census of what people are doing in regards to AoC. The sub count is dropping, and it is dropping very fast. You are in denial if you think AoC is on the rise.

 

The game will survive don't get me wrong, it is going to have it's players. Just not a large number, I am still expecting it to land somewhere next to Lord of the Rings in subs, maybe a tad less if they don't get a handle on the things that need fixed faster than what they are going. It will survive tho.

 

We will see by the end of the year once all the more polished non rushed games hit the shelves how it's sub counts hold up. Hopefully enough to keep it going and not tank the company.

 

And if you think the forums are a general census of what the majority of aoc players think, then you are the one who is delusional.

Just because a minority of people are whining about aoc on the forums doesn't mean that most people aren't enjoying it.

Seriously, everybody I know  who plays it, are having a blast. Yes, there are numerous bugs and issues, but nothing that has stopped them from enjoying it.

 

We aren't talking about AoC players, we are talking about people like me who think AoC sucks ass.

I am not in the "AoC Community" right now i'm in the MMORPG.com community.

Your view is one sided. with the above red response.

I don't consider people coming on this forum talking about their bad experience with a game to be whining.

I consider it to be helpful for people not to waste money on bad products.

You shouldn't feel threatened by my remarks if you think your game is so great. If it really is that great you have nothing to worry about right?

AoC had 400k subs at launch. That's all fine and dandy, but I can tell you right now with the amount of bad publicity this game is getting by the users, that number is dropping not growing.

Regardless if gamespot and all these other major gaming sites are giving this game a 8+ rating (which people know you can't trust that because they play to money not to gamers) It isn't stopping gamers who have played the game to come tell their stories of how the game really is.

If you like it GREAT!

Just quit thinking everyone needs to think like you and your buddies. I'm not sitting here trying to force you to quit AoC, I could care less if you play and enjoy it. It isn't going to stop me from calling it a DX10 wannabe shiny piece of shit.

i am surprised you are so vocal in your admittance of being a whiner in all honesty, but there we go.There are a lot of things we don't like in life, if everyone whined like little babies every time that was the case then we would have a very flawed society.

From a subjective point of view the game is a success. i would be more than surprised if the games numbers grew exponentially from here onwards, but it does not require 10 mil subs as validation of it's success.

AoC is a niche game that will hold a respectable ammount of subs. It's mechanics of skill over gear and ffa pvp are not widely appreciated, but they have their crowds.

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Aw, did someone make some critical remarks about a game you like.  Well believe it or not this is a forum to discuss likes and dislikes.  If that bothers you that much that someone has a different opinion than yours, then just avoid the forums.

Believe it or not, just because you like a game, does not mean others won't.

Lol.

Originally posted by Vyeth

Just like AO, Vanguard will NEVER get respect.. Even if it wins tons of awards one day.. Some people still swear AO is and always was an awful game, yet once it cleaned up won plenty of awards from many publications and game sites.

But I think Vanguard is pretty good, and as far as pop building, I would have to say sure, theres lots of new people giving it a try (not just cynical mmorpg folks), and im sure once the trial island is done and the trial can be played as well as a relaunch then more people will join the game.

I'm dismissive hopefully people will think i'm . This sort of mentality. It fails.

Originally posted by markoraos

 

Originally posted by Zorndorf

I really do hope that all commercial reviewers give Conan at least 9.0 in their reviews.

It would show how hollow these commercial websites are run.

But as it is, already severel websites gave 80% or 7/10, so at least some sense is used by some.

The more players will try it the better I think, so everyone can get his/her opinion.

There is just no game underneath it all, but people have to find that out themselves.

For some it will take a week for others 2 months.

The only thing that interest me is that not too many Conan clones will ever see the day of light.

Because "realistic graphics" that hamper about anything MMORPG's stood for is a loss of time in game development.

The fact that most commercial reviews don't mention this is proof of how superficial games are reviewed these days.

And having a review accompanied with zillions of game banners on their website doesn't help either.

 

Exactly.

You'll notice how the review takes much more notice of just about everything rather than core gameplay.

It seems that sound, for example, is more important than "the game" in a game nowadays...

It's like reading a movie review that tells you "the focus is sharp and the colors are vivid - excellent movie!"

Pathetic - commercial reviews (and people reading them) should grow out of that crap.

No, it is like reading a review that commends the excellent cinematography and score of a film. Both being the most artistic aspects of game/film mediums.

Originally posted by elvenangel

I think people wouldn't be getting all up in arms if there wasn't alreaddy a dozen threads similiar to this one with the same advocates which are all for silencing anything negative about any game whether its True or Not (fanbois that call anyone that disagrees with them a troll). 

When Forums are public such as these there's just no way to avoid clashing...its better to just take it in stride and make the best of it.   Everyone has bad days where you react to the troll or get cheesed off (happens to me often) but its just easier to laugh it off point out how much an ass they are and move on (or just report them if they're truely a flame troll). 

btw you can have bread, cheese, sour grapes, or slices of ham to go with your whine (hehe and yes its intentionally spelled that way lol).

And yes i understand the irony of a mod eventually closing this thread.

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Hexxeity

It really irks me when someone calls people trolls just for having a different opinion.

If YOU don't want to read their opinions, YOU have the power to ignore them.  But trying to silence them completely is not a grown-up response by any stretch of the imagination.  So I find your "kiddies" jab rather amusing.

I would much prefer that they silence the stealth marketers ... but then they'd have about 100 posters left.

There is a difference between a player who has a different opinion and a player who requires some sort of negative cathartic ouburst in order to vent anger that seems to go far deeper than being just unhappy that a game doesn't have pvp or that it is instanced.

Expressing an opinion that is different from the masses  but is well constructed with well thought out points and even examples to back up the poster's view goes farther than some sort of personal manifesto or missive where someone can't seem to work out their own problems so they resort to childish outbursts, unnecessary insults, and seemingly an attempt to give themselves meaning by wallowing in drama for drama's sake.

 

This is the core point here. There are many shades of gray when it comes to interaction, i do not advocate silencing vast numbers of the community. But it must be said there is a dividing line that seems very clear to me at least, between voicing an opinion in a measured, truthful manner and behaving like a spoilt brat and seeking to derail any meaningful discussion. This goes back to core issues in society. Certain peoples freedom of speech shouldn't override others, unfortunately this is the case when people choose to spam, cap lock and  repeatedly take things off topic. The forum medium is not particularly evolved and although these things seem simple and insignificant , they can be very effective. Everything is tolerable in moderation, but i am noticing a trend where this is becoming very common place.

Lets be honest about what the criteria for being number one is, because it sure as hell isn't being a great game.  AoC will never dethrone WoW. The best it can do is hold over 500k subs and provide a home for some people with a different outlook to that of the masses. For that it should be commended.

Originally posted by neonaka

 

Originally posted by Va-le

Originally posted by neonaka

 

Originally posted by Va-le

Originally posted by elvenangel

Cheese with that whine?

Cheese? yes please. Can i have some with my Wine though or is whine also the elvish word for an alcoholic beverage derived from fermented grapes?

  Va-le you fail at sarcasm, you fail at understanding sarcasm, you fail at this post.

 

Your nobel prize winning attitude is also a failure, just take the "whine" and drink it please.

I am just trying to be honest and have a little joke with people in the process. I apologize if you find offence with that.

 

OMG Va-le you did it again. I was being sarcastic by saying you fail at understanding sarcasm, and you apologize....

 

That is called "Ironic"

 

I wanted you to see my sarcasm, understand my sarcasm was directed at your sarcasm and prove to me you understood said sarcasm with some sarcasm of your own.

 

Pretty cool how I put sarcasm in a sentence like FIVE times right?

HI-FIVE!

Sorry sarcasm overload. I know i started it...

Originally posted by mike470

 

Originally posted by Va-le

Originally posted by mike470

 

Originally posted by Va-le

Originally posted by Hexxeity

It really irks me when someone calls people trolls just for having a different opinion.

If YOU don't want to read their opinions, YOU have the power to ignore them.  But trying to silence them completely is not a grown-up response by any stretch of the imagination.  So I find your "kiddies" jab rather amusing.

I would much prefer that they silence the stealth marketers ... but then they'd have about 100 posters left.

I imagine you would. As for you equating trolling with a difference of opinion, i find this highly amusing. Naivety abound. Not liking  a whole forum getting filled up with "This game is shit" or "FAILURE" has little to do with disregarding  free speech. In all honesty this thread was just jest, i am not so naive to be that ideological. Alas i got no enjoyment from it whatsoever, i guess my troll side is weak.

 

Well, I'm going to guess you are yet another person from the AoC threads who is mad because people are bashing you game..

Still, the fact is that if they say "this game sucks" or "this isn;t even an MMO" and they state the reasons why they think this, that does NOT make them trolls.  They have a right to their own opinion; wether it be negative or positive.  Just because someone is skeptic/doubtful/bashing about a game does NOT make them a troll if they give an explanation for their beliefs. 

Just because someone thinks differently from you does NOT make them a troll.

It could be any number of games. I haven't actually played AoC yet. As for your other points, i have already stated my opinion. I do think there is a place for both sides of the story, but not to the point where you get a million threads with the same content just for the sake of it. Perhaps consolidate it in to one thread, i think they tried this with Soe in the Vanguard forum? I can not attest to it's success as i have not played Vanguard for a long time, hence i do not go in to the forum.

 

Well, that's different, since you have not played it in a long time.  If you had played it recently, then you have a right to rant/applaud the game.

My point is, many people have the same views in this forum, and each one expressing their opinion is fine.  Just because someone else made a rant about it doesn't mean they don't have the right to.

I would be inclined to agree with you, but their is a respectable limit to how far that goes. That is where a balance needs to be struck. Otherwise a forum that should have its ideals based in like minded people having a place to interact with each other, turns in to complete mayhem. This goes for people lauding that g