Originally posted by sebbonx

You want clueless post this on the Everquest, Everquest 2, and Vantard while you are at it. Ask Sony how come they cana't upgrade graphice in EQ (don't have the code). Why they can't balance classes (don't play their own game), I think they probably play WoW to much. The Vantard guys definitely were playing WoW to much to make that crappy game fun. 

i second this  blizzard has done more right by accident then sony will ever do on purpose.

i went back just now as well and love it so far , just doing things different  then i did before like play alli instead of horde, and doing starter worgen quests .

im on moonguard server myself because it looked appealing to rp on

rofl!

folks hate hate hate  if this was a wow forum there would be almost the same responses , you people on these forums really need to step back and ask yourself is it the games or is it me because i can find fun in wow everquest eq2  and many others ,however when i start picking then i log off and go outside .

i will tell anyone who has read this far , i have stuck with the original everquest forever because it was my first and i love the feel of the game . its hard its challenging there isnt a free ride unless you take it.

wow easy fun and enjoyable till you reach the top then its repetitive and boring.

eq2  because of my love of eq 1 i really never liked eq2 i did play it it was fun however it was to me a poor copy of my beloved everquest and i went back to eq. if i had never played eq1 i would have probebly been still playing eq2 and it has had several improvements.

i know late post but i would say on the pve regular server , druzzil,povar or bristlebane seem to have good pops

mayojng has most returning players  but careful if you start a char there he might be stuck there forever since its a special ruleset and if server dies you screwed

actually 100 to 150 k is resonable for subscriptions  and here is why

take 100k and divide by 2  that would give you roughly 50k players with 2 accounts

now take the other 60 k and divide by 3 well there are your 3 boxers  so i would have to say if truth be told there are roughly 80k

people still paying for the game (notice i say paying ) but then you also have to take into consideration how many people pay for all you can get pass at 29.99 a month and actually play both eq .

all i can tell you is at any given time thats 24hrs a day there is 400 to 500 people online  on the server i'am on.

so if you figured most play in 4 hr stints that would possibly mean ever 4 hrs folks log off and on so that would mean 400 x 6= around 2400 but that seams high so i would take that number down to like 1600 to make up for the folks who stay logged in longer .

this is best i can come up with .

as soon as devs realise not everyone plays a mmo to do then quest leveling method and prefer to do good old fashioned camps /groups the genre will explode with activity again.

Questing is cool but there has to be a grind method for exp thats just as rewarding .

immersion is lost when you do 5 quests then move to another zone or area do 15 quests and so on and so forth compared to 6 friends getting together and doing a great dungion crawl /grind.

go wow there is not another game out there worth your 15 bucks a month no matter what play style you prefer .

personally i really get sick of folks sayig how easy WOW is, sure you can roll to 80 pretty smooth however thats where game really starts when you start gearing up for raids and what not.

as far as question and stuff goes its enjoyable but i prefer battlegrounds .

folks used to say eq was hardest game to get levels in i dissagree wow is if you actually play game and not get run throughs or help its alot harder to roll to 80 on wow then in everquest , but then again i played eq for almost 10 yrs so i might be seeing it the same as a wow vet sees wow.

either way you cant go wrong with blizzard , sony will just annoy you with there cash grab stuff

Eq will always hold that special place for me however now adays the evil foks at sony are killing the franchise imho with the rampent abuse of lon stuff for there games,

they create content for there tcg and not as much for the game itself and the final straw for me was there little instance they created that was only achievable by getting a random loot card in the tcg.

not to mention anything cool has to be paifd for now adays with real moneys

world of warcraft, because no other game offers so much for my 15 bucks a month.

used to play everquest until sonly finally crossed my own personal line by designing content for eq that could only be gleaned by the game of chance (Lon) trading card game.

yeah id like a confirm on this , i mean it dont put you at max level but at least close to being back into the game.

i might be interested in retrying just for that reason , i do still listen to the music so i feel at this point i have gotton my moneys worth of the the ce edition just wish the entire game was as awsome as 1 thru 20

Hmm,  I find it really easy to ignore them and frankly  if it wasnt for the kiddies the game would probebly be kinda boring .

yes there are  jerks in every mmo i guess im lucky not to have to deal with them or when i do run across them i just ignore them and keep doing my thing.

lets face it you can grind to 80 alone in wow so finding one or 2 friends and doing it cant be that hard.

just remember most of the folks who you would think were children are over 20 and just use the net as a excuse to be assholes.

Originally posted by pb1285n

Originally posted by Paul22

10six...That's all I have to say :)

 

What a fun game, unfortunately my computer at the time couldn't handle it.

agreed! they ever took it back before levels and selling jitters id love it i was there thru beta and was also in the best mdn of the times called wave runner  went by the name outlawttc or genrlwipass:)

Ps i had to upgrade to a voodoo 3k i think it was run in x2 mode was it sli back then or called something different ? lol

Also had to edit, motorcity online was a fun game as well but meh , im still back to playing eq my wallet hurts from trying all these failing games but my heart never felt better, back home in eq .

wow you guys are being harsh lo i see his mcdonaalds analagy, in the sense that WOw= mc because basically it caters to a whole hella lot more people then the sushi bar down the road sushi= lotro, many other great deep indepth games with a true story arc.

well personally i feel there crafting for there game is just right , i mean cmon folks the people who play warhammer dont play it for the rp or the crafting aspect .

i have been playing it a short while and honestly i cant really blame mythic for anything when it comes to there lack of immersiveness i blame the players, this game attracts the some of the worst bottom feeders of society as does most other pvp games, you know the folks who deep down inside wanna stick it to the other guy for a change  and enjoy reaping instant gratification  on others misery.yes i know not everyone there is that way but take for example if these players were there for a fair fight then why do so many look for the chance to gank and go 3 to one with unfair odds .

Chaos is a zergfest  and order expects everyone else to win there battles for them while they run around like helpless lemmings being picked off one by one as they run back into the slaughter .

yes those type of folks usually dont craft and the folks who are here to enjoy a rp expeirence need probebly to move on to elsewhere.

mythic knew the player base and designed the game for such folks.

people can say what they like about planetside but at least they didint try to be anything more then they weren't. :)

flame on  if you like but if you are a pvp person, at heart ask yourself why you enjoy it .I love pvp but it feels all the more rewarding when i take a guy down in a fair fight.

Hmm next generation? no I would say there wont be a next generation for MMO's Because it was truely a marketing ploy that has seen its hayday and slowly dying because of greed.

I still remember the reason folks talked me into actually paying for a game monthly ,

1, free updates and expansions

2,game bugs would get fixed because game was ever evolving therefore they would fix them constantly

3,level your char and get to keep it forever, yeah at least you can log into ghost towns and feel uber by yourself.

now we have evolved to item malls, soe cash  and rmt.

lets see out of those three i think mmo delivered on one promise , thats until they shut the servers down

Originally posted by Coman

Originally posted by rhinok

Originally posted by Coman

We do not want westerners in our games

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The Netherlands are part of western civilization, you idiot.

~Ripper

I was being sarcastic toward the OP, as he stated

`Have they mentioned anything on how us westerners can obtain a copy of Darkfall`

indicating that Europe would is not part of the western civilization. I hoped most poeple would have actualy understanded that part, becouse I am pretty sure every european is aware that they are part of the western civilization.

Anyhow,

A link from the official darkfall forum asking the same question.

http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=96102

Not to derail this but I have always understood that you would be considered european  and in days of extremely old you were westerners (before the discovery of the americas) but now westerners are americas.?  just not sure :)
 

I have found the same thing and usally it can be attributed to the fact its really tuff to find groups or reason to group.

you dont get the same feel fromm mmo now adays as games of old when you actually had to group to get rid of yard trash.

not saying old way was so hot either because as game aged it got increasingly harder to get anything done.

that said i think its the way with all games now adays not that its a bad thing its just the way it is.

the hundred SOE flame threads on this forum alone:

So why is it that every time Sony does anything even remotely contentious or innovative in this stagnant genre (for better or worse) there's this unprecedented kneejerk reaction from their gaming community? Out come the pitchforks and flaming torches, and mob mentality takes over. It's become fashionable to hate SOE and attribute them the role of 'villain' in the MMOsphere, but the truth is many will embrace these changes and many more will choose to ignore them and go about their gaming lives unaffected by them.

The sky is not falling. More than anything, I pity those who decide to stop playing a game they love simply through some misguided sense of moral outrage or social injustice. At the end of the day they're mostly hurting themselves.
 

OK this is not how i see this Exp potions are not fluff when part of the fun of the game is leveling quicker then others dont this put a unfair advantage on the have vs the have nots?

i think this is the first step to alot of other things now if they want to make the game free then do rmt then they can join the other mmo,s but to me they are taking updates that were supposed to happen in mmo and putting them towards charged items.

in 2000 when i started everquest i was told that the reason we paid for a mmo was so that they would add more content for free because we were paying a monthly fee, what is it 13 paid expansions later and there are still imcomplete quests from the original game and places on the map never opened?

RIP sony please sell Eq to people who cared what the original game was about !

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by Agricola1

You failed to mention them signing a deal with the devil over publishing, the famous quote "I spoke to Smedley and SOE have it down cold!". Many warned against SOE, I was still going to purchase until SOE f***ed up on a titanic scale. I couldn't purchase a pre-order because SOE hadn't shipped them, those that could get them (a few stores in the USA) ended up either not having the disc or the gamecode because someone at SOE forgot to put them in there!

I wanted this to work. I wanted to play it, however now it seems it'll be purchased by Smedley to add to the list of dismal faliures associated with the SOE brand name. If PotBS were a sailing ship she'd be the Marie Celeste, on a direct course to the SOE dry docks alongside Vanguard!

 

That this game failed wasn't SOE fault. The devs didn't listen to the beta testers, that kills a lot of game.

In the AoC beta forum many testers warned about releasing to early and I heard the same happened in the WAR forums. While some testers might be wrong, all are never.

Just Blaming SOE for everything they publish isn't really fair even though they should check it up better before signing anything. Vanguard and SWG are their fault but not this.

ok lets be clear vanguard wasnt sonys fault remember sigil? 5 or so years for a unpolished broken game?
 

swg clearly sony had something to do with it but again i think lucas arts might be to blame here as well

potbs not sonys fault asshats never listened and im major ticked i loved this game as something different the avatar combat was a joke every city looking same was a joke pirates having economy was a joke they tried to be everything to everyone and noone liked it.

now my biggest gripe with sony is the friggun way they used gambling as a cash cow with there tcg and then turned around and gave henchmen to eq killing what was left of group game then to add another nail they added rmt to the game thus ending my dealings with all soe products except planetside  wich im sure they willdo something to screw that up soon enuff.

you know alot of folks here have stated these games were crappy but were they? i mean if you had never played a mmo in your life and came upon one of these games  how would they be judged?

i have often wondered of we old hats havent been around the block one too many times and are all a wee bit biased on what would make a mmo fun and not.

as far as buggy releases all games that are mmo have been buggy at release for someone some worse then others but i have to be honest,

When i started EQ! in june of 2k it waqs a year old and extremely buggy yet i could not put the game down,

when anarchy online came out it too was very buggy yet i couldnt put the game down , not as long as eq but it was appealing and i feel i recieved my moneys worth.

when Daoc came outy my son had his first mmo experience and to this day holds a soft spot for doac that i held for Eq.

now adays there is wow and for some reason i dont feel any other fantasy game does it as well and hold my interest nearly as well as Wow. is it a good game ? you decide but it was buggy and laggy when it hit the streets as well, yet it had that strange hook on me that eq used to have.

no game in 2008 had that feeling.

Regardless of what genre of mmo if it dont hook it will die  so hopefully in 2009 they come out with a new hook if not i have a feeling alot of us will be going outside more.