I'm down for a try if someone has  a spare.

Originally posted by Aganazer

Even Tabula Rasa was successful at many things:

• It got RG into space
• It employed a team of developers for years, paid their bills, made nice lines on their resumes, etc
• It entertained thousands of people

So who are you to define what "success" means? All it does is beg the question; Successful at what?

RG was successful, TR though was not. Yes, it had a playerbase, but all games do. NC Soft paid the developers, and at some point they decided the game wasn't being profitable and wouldn't become such, so they shut the game down. TR is a perfect example of publisher and developer management gone catastrophically bad. Garriott got into space because they dumped a shit load of money into his lap and then he half assed his job.

Any MMO that has a dedicated player base that causes it to achieve large updates and expansions should be considered a success. Examples of this would be Eve, LoTRO, DAoC, Runescape, Ultima, SWG(though their updates destroyed the original community), EQ 1 and 2, DDO, WoW, CoX, and a few others. This would be an example of covering development costs and sustaining profitability afterward.

When a game with the hype and budget of WAR, FFXIV, STO, CO, AoC, and the like, rush out of the gate and then drop their player base almost immediately, it should be deemed a non-success. Not quite a failure, since the games are continuing on and attempting to attract new core players through new payment models and updates.

Then there is of course games like Vanguard, that were hyped and then the business end of things killed the game before launch. Not a success, but frankly the fact that it's been around 4 years now with a skeleton team and playerbase shows a small level of success in at least salvaging what should have never been salvageable.

If you want catastrophic failure though, look no further than APB and Tabula Rasa.

There's no telling what kind of hardware and settings were being used in this play test. It's something you need to experience in person, on a machine you know, in order to really diagnose the problem.

In my experience, today's MMO gamers know the least about hardware, frame rates, networking, and lag in comparison to veteran online gamers.

Originally posted by kikinchaz

Anyone else getting the error: 'Game Error G3' - There's a problem with your video card. You may want to upgrade the drivers.

No problems launching Free Realms or anything, drivers are latest Nvidia ones.

I get this too, but im on an ati card. It's up to date. Their forums aren't responding to my login either.

You could always play Darkfall, or Eve, both have massive travel times depending on destination. Both are extremely hardcore, brutal, and insanely difficult to get a leg up on your own.

Just wait until you run into the holier than thou, know it all, "veterans". They ruin this place, and ruin modern MMO's. With that said, I am likely the same as these vets though. :(

War games can't keep using the WW2 back drop for the sake of it being an important timeline. They have to move on. If they want to stay true to reality, moving to modern times is the only real option. Vietnam was fought in an unorthodox method and can not translate into an enjoyable experience for either side, not to mention there isn't much of a leap in technology. Modern Warfare 2 should really be considered "near future" warfare, as we don't typically have soldiers outfitted with heartbeat monitors and we definitely don't see EMP's or Nuke's used. BF2142 failed due to using too many gaming concepts and not enough theoretical military technology(I don't think we'll be using manned Mech's ever, if they're used at all). The truth is that we've been forced fed military and fantasy based games for 2 decades now, and the standard is beginning its shift. What comes next? No clue, but I'd expect that this is a turning point for war gaming, either turning to the current/near future or away from the first person perspective.

Originally posted by ctshame

 it seems like now a days players consider everything a grind. what happened to all the older games when players were jsut enjoying the game even when there was grind. it seems people have to high of standards and if your bored with the game then just quit instead of complaining of grind because eventually everything will be a grind because there wont be anything left to do.

Because the first time around it's new and exciting. But we're close to 10 years into the grind era, and MMO's simply haven't attempted enough to create that feeling again. New concepts aren't being developed or used. MMO's have become cookie cutter, in the same way FPS games have. It's time to deviate from the current pattern, and introduce a new archetype to break the mold of the past 10 years.

A lot of us don't even enjoy questing. This is mainly due to boring quest stories and long times spent doing the same kind of quest with a different name. Grind is pointless, there is no lesson learned through it. It isn't a mental challenge. The challenge in MMO's is almost non-existent, and if a developer ever presents a good one, people complain its too hard.

I havent been able to play much either. Theres always an hour queue, and I really dont feel like sitting there waiting that long. I know that I won't get a refund. I'm just going to eat it and try to pick up Fallen Earth instead. Another big disappointing year in this genre.

Beta has been on indefinite hold since last December. It's not going to be released anytime soon, if ever.

Typically this site consists of 40 years old or older people disgruntled with MMO's, or people who are very young and only play WoW and F2P games. It's an age and culture divide. This site gets the good and the bad of the MMO spectrum, and unfortunately they react negatively to one another.

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Originally posted by Sanjoslayer

I agree that games are simply getting easier and simplier. It's also true that the industry is flooded with casual gamers (not using the term as an offense) that really couldn't care less and happily pay for  what we consider less of a game.

While those of us that grew up with the industry are likely upset it all comes down to darn business in the end which is why we're going to need to get used to these changes...we're outnumbered by a lot and any sane company will target the numbers that grant them the biggest profits.

I'm a huge fan of options though. There's no reason why a game can't have tiered rewards that are worthwhile regardless of wheither you spent 30 minutes or four hours working on it. I know they keep saying FFXIV will appease both casuals and more hardcore players, but I'm not being convinced too much so far..

Thankfully they say FFXI players are their biggest target so I cab gioe  the game won't be too casual and his way of thinking according to this article pretty much goes against such casual heavy gameplay anyways.

WoW claims the same sort of thing, but really there is no hardcore basis with the game. I've been level 80 for a month now and have already hit full epics in PvE, nothing to really go after anymore except the minor upgrades that come from raids. I don't care for the PvP in WoW anymore, its even more unbalanced and painful than ever. I consider myself leaning towards being a more hardcore gamer, and thus I am truly starving for a worthwhile game to play, even on a console. I don't expect to find a solution anytime. I would go back and play FFXI, but from what I can tell it is difficult to start out as a newbie(not as hard as before, obviously). I expect FFXIV will be a theme park.

Originally posted by Liljna

Originally posted by SnarlingWolf

Originally posted by Tisiphone

if I couldn't run Winamp while gaming I would be very irritable. ^^ Or export screenshots. Or look at forums on the internet whilst lfg (which won't run properly without scripts enabled or browser add-ons.) Finally, I'll be damned if I'm going to be forced to use IE on my own PC.

 

Winamp wow, there's a decade old flashback. People still use Winamp in modern times?

 

Why not, it works well, so why switch?

What else should I use, that is apparently more modern and presumably better?

Nothing. But there are schmucks that use iTunes and Windows Media Player.

One of the premade configurations is dwarf-like. I believe the developers intended for you to create any race or creature you want in character customization. I don't see why you care what other players choose to be.

I sent in a ticket yesterday stating I would not be purchasing the game, and to refund me my 6-month subscription as I am now no longer interested in play testing STO. CO was great for the first 3 days, but once I got into PvP and saw the imbalance, and came to the realization that everyone sucks at making characters, I lost interest. Here's hoping I get refunded. Here's hoping they lose the Star Trek license(unlikely, I know).

This is what I get when I try to login. I've never received an email or warning. I have also never talked to anyone in game throughout the CBT. And obviously I'm not running hacks and bots. -_-

Let me get this straight, you're going to play on NA servers...but your guild site is listed as .co.uk? LOL