All Posts by mike470

Well, firstly, online poker isn't that bad

Anyway, the developers have mentioned that they will have minigames, whether or not they will involve PvP is something we currently do not know.

As for PvP, there will be an arena, or coliseum, where PvP will take place.  Duels can go on here, as well as group vs. group battles.  Players can also wager on the battles and watch them; a lot like the system in Oblivion, now that I think about it.

I like the suggestions, too!

If you are interested in APB, please register your interest here.

I already registered, can't wait until we get more news about APB

It's not their fault Adventurine doesn't send news into the site. It's the developer's responsibility, not MMORPG.com's to find the news and post it.  All the items on AoC,  TR, etc. were sent in to the editor byt he developers or a fan.

You want more DF news?  Send a message to editor@mmorpg.com whenever you find new news and it should get posted.

If you want articles on Df, sign up as a correspondent. 

It's Adventurine's fault, not MMORPG.com's.

Originally posted by 0muffins0

Originally posted by downtoearth

Originally posted by Zorvan

Originally posted by 0muffins0

Originally posted by Zorvan

Originally posted by 0muffins0

Originally posted by Zorvan 

Unless there were 400 ( 200 vs. 200 ) players in one spot somewhere in that video with no lag ( I didn't see 'em ), then CaesarsGhost is right. One of Tasos main selling points was not demonstrated.

 

Where did he specifically mention 400 players?

 

Look through the development logs, I'm sure you'll find it.

200 vs. 200 in pvp = 400 players

 

You're quoting that figure. You find the quote.

When someone asks you to back something up, you don't turn around and tell that person to back up your arguement for you.

 

Your the fan, right? You should know everything that's been said already. I'm not going to dig through the Darkfall wasteland to find a quote that has been referred to by many, especially fanbois, on this very site in the Darkfall forums.

 

actulyl it was always 100 vs 100 not 200 vs 200.

and you clearly can see it was close

 

Ah! I thought it might be a case of vaportroll exageration.

You seem confident, please find 100v100; not 200v200.

http://gamasutra.pair.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=18904

Good article above.

And if everything turns micro transactions, I'm leaving MMOs.

Originally posted by Moroth

Originally posted by mike470

Originally posted by Moroth

I hear all this rhetoric of WAR being better than AOC, WoW and this game vs that game.   You spend more time here than in a game and pretend you're a pro at knowing what a MMO should be. 

You don't know me.  You don't know what I do and don't do. 

I'm here a lot currently because I don't have a game to play currently.  I play Wurm, but can't stay occupied for too long due to the grindy ways of the crafting system; it's still a great game though.

Hanging out on forums as a means of socializing when you have no games to play?  There are a ton of games to play, if none can currently hold your interest it's likely none in the future will hold it very long either.

What makes you think that?  There are plenty of games on the horizon I am looking forward to playing, and I like I said I am currently playing Wurm Online. 

It's just that I haven't found/there isn't currently a permanent game.

I don't know what the perfect game is, but I can duscuss what I believe my perfect game would be.  I love gaming, I love discussing about gaming on these forums, and I love writing about games.

If that's whar you do here than this wasn't pointed to you, however, I would hardly call these forums a "discussion".

No one can know what a perfect MMO is because everyone thinks differently.

Most of you claim to have played al the games out there and that's the first problem. 

I have never claimed that.

Then I'm not talking to you. 

To truely become immersed in an MMO there isn't time to have played all the games, you simply test the water and move on to something else because the people on these forums convince you your game sux. 

No one convinces me that a game isn't any good.  I'll argue whether or not a game is good, but that is my view; whether people agree or disagree is another matter.

If I'm playing and I'm enjoying myself, then why would anything other people say affect my decision of whether or not I like a game?  People's opinion don't effect me, and they sure as hell don't decide if I like/don't like a game.  To prove this, I played RS for six years....

 

Fact is gaming companies are not trying to defeat another game, only you are.

That makes no sense at all.  If a game defeat WoW, then I'm sure they would go for it.  The point is game developers want to top other games, not to stay under them.

Their point is to make money.  They'd all like to be the next Blizzard but the fact is they're not going to be and they know that.  Blizzards success is based on a number of factors beyond a developers controll.  One of them is called timing and it will be a long while before that timing happens again.

  They survive on a certain number of subscriptions and that's what they aim for.

I'm sure they wouldn't mind going above their expectations....

Sometimes they do better than anticipated but they still have a target audience they shoot for.

Well of course; every game does that.  Aiming for a target audience and aiming for subscription numbers are different.

When WoW clones are made, they are aiming towards WoW players.  When games like DF are made, they are aiming towards PvPers (pretend it releases). 

Now, at first they may think 100k subs at best since they are PvP based, but they may do better than that.  You never know.

  It would cost too much money and be too much of a risk to try and take away Blizzards gamers.  WAR for example will be released and people will come running to the forums instead of playing and spread a disproportianate amount of bad press just like they do every other game.

Again, how do you know this? - You don't.  Many people here buy the games, no one just sits at the forums pretending like they played the game.  I'm not sure if I will buy WAR, but if I don't I will not spread negative things about WAR...

I know this because history tends to repeat itself and history isn't going to change on MMORPG.com

You still don't know it...plenty of people on these forums play games.

You're not making any sense.  People buy the games, play them, and voice their opinion here; just because someone says somethign you disagree with doesn't mean they haven't played the game.

  If WAR does do something good Blizzard will take the idea and with their financial resources implement it even better .

You don't know that, and you can't prove it.  Who knows what Blizzard will do.

Play WoW and you'll see most of the game is taken from MMO's prior to it's release and MMO's after it's release.  A small example is their in-game chat system which was implemented about a year after DDO's.

I know that, but you never know what kind of auidience Blizzard will shoot for next.  It happens all the time in MMOs as well.

  Fact is, the more differences you have in a game from WoW's the better your chances are,

Ehh, mabye.  It depends what kind of features the game will have. 

at least you'll have established a niche and loyal subscriber base. 

What makes you think developers want that?  There is no such thing as a developer that is trying to stay small and be unpopular.  All developers want more subscribers, it doesn't make sense to want to stay small and make less money.

Of course they want more susbscribers.  They are here to make money but my point is you don't have to shoot to be the MMO king to do so.  Take LOTRO for example.  They have a very loyal player base .

Ahving a loyal subscriber base is nice, but it still doesn't mean they were successful.  VG has a loyal subscriber base and currently doesn't have as many subs as they planned.  Saga of Ryzom has a loyal subscriber base but it shut down twice...

By the time people on this forum are bored with WAR and what ever other new title they're playing games like WoW, AOC and others will have something new and you will play that. 

You seem to think WoW is the besta nd everything else is horrible; you're wrong.  I enjoyed Vanguard, but I quit because I wasn't enjoying it anymore.  I sure didn't go to WoW.

I don't personally play WoW but it doesn't take a genuis to know they are on the top of the fantasy MMO hill.  I'm pointing out the fact that it seems the people on these forums don't know what they want other than to bash MMO's and the compainies that make them.  I come to these forums for a drama fix, rarely will I see something informative.  Most of these bashers simply go back to the games they complain about when they are bored with the next new thing.  Kinda ironic.

Or they just don't play MMOs at all until they find something they enjoy. 

Instead I'm playing a sandbox MMO, but according to you I'm playing something like WoW.

I don't know where you got this from, my point was there are mony good games out there.  Again, I don't personally care for WoW.  It's like the Budweiser analogy, just because it's the #1 beer in America doesn't make it good.

And I quote "By the time people on this forum are bored with WAR and what ever other new title they're playing games like WoW"  which is a lie because I'm playing a game that is nothing like WoW.

There are a lot of good games out there that aren't trying to be popular that have survived for a long time. 

 Again, no game doesn't want to become popular.  They want to become popular, but they can't.

Popular is a relative word.  I said they're not all trying to be Blizzard.

Well you said "there are plenty of games out there that aren't trying to be popular".

Also, I'm sure if a company could reach the success of Blizzard they would.

You hear about how good the community is and that's because we're not there. 

Again, plenty of people here play MMOs.  I'm not sure where you're getting these "facts" from.

These "facts" are from reading these forums.  Most gamers are on their own games forums.  There's no need for them to come here for information.

I guess I just disagree.  Players say allt he time they are buying games, I honestly believe people on these forums play MMOs.......

 

 

Originally posted by Moroth

I hear all this rhetoric of WAR being better than AOC, WoW and this game vs that game.   You spend more time here than in a game and pretend you're a pro at knowing what a MMO should be. 

You don't know me.  You don't know what I do and don't do. 

I'm here a lot currently because I don't have a game to play currently.  I play Wurm, but can't stay occupied for too long due to the grindy ways of the crafting system; it's still a great game though.

I don't know what the perfect game is, but I can duscuss what I believe my perfect game would be.  I love gaming, I love discussing about gaming on these forums, and I love writing about games.

No one can know what a perfect MMO is because everyone thinks differently.

Most of you claim to have played al the games out there and that's the first problem. 

I have never claimed that.

To truely become immersed in an MMO there isn't time to have played all the games, you simply test the water and move on to something else because the people on these forums convince you your game sux. 

No one convinces me that a game isn't any good.  I'll argue whether or not a game is good, but that is my view; whether people agree or disagree is another matter.

If I'm playing and I'm enjoying myself, then why would anything other people say affect my decision of whether or not I like a game?  People's opinion don't effect me, and they sure as hell don't decide if I like/don't like a game.  To prove this, I played RS for six years....

 

Fact is gaming companies are not trying to defeat another game, only you are.

That makes no sense at all.  If a game defeat WoW, then I'm sure they would go for it.  The point is game developers want to top other games, not to stay under them.

  They survive on a certain number of subscriptions and that's what they aim for.

I'm sure they wouldn't mind going above their expectations....

  It would cost too much money and be too much of a risk to try and take away Blizzards gamers.  WAR for example will be released and people will come running to the forums instead of playing and spread a disproportianate amount of bad press just like they do every other game.

Again, how do you know this? - You don't.  Many people here buy the games, no one just sits at the forums pretending like they played the game.  I'm not sure if I will buy WAR, but if I don't I will not spread negative things about WAR...

You're not making any sense.  People buy the games, play them, and voice their opinion here; just because someone says somethign you disagree with doesn't mean they haven't played the game.

  If WAR does do something good Blizzard will take the idea and with their financial resources implement it even better .

You don't know that, and you can't prove it.  Who knows what Blizzard will do.

  Fact is, the more differences you have in a game from WoW's the better your chances are,

Ehh, mabye.  It depends what kind of features the game will have. 

at least you'll have established a niche and loyal subscriber base. 

What makes you think developers want that?  There is no such thing as a developer that is trying to stay small and be unpopular.  All developers want more subscribers, it doesn't make sense to want to stay small and make less money.

By the time people on this forum are bored with WAR and what ever other new title they're playing games like WoW, AOC and others will have something new and you will play that. 

You seem to think WoW is the besta nd everything else is horrible; you're wrong.  I enjoyed Vanguard, but I quit because I wasn't enjoying it anymore.  I sure didn't go to WoW.

Instead I'm playing a sandbox MMO, but according to you I'm playing something like WoW.

There are a lot of good games out there that aren't trying to be popular that have survived for a long time. 

 Again, no game doesn't want to become popular.  They want to become popular, but they can't.

You hear about how good the community is and that's because we're not there. 

Again, plenty of people here play MMOs.  I'm not sure where you're getting these "facts" from.

Originally posted by myhero

That is certainly your opinion.

It's your opinion that RS is good.  Everything here is a matter of opinion.

6 million players can't be wrong.

In my mind they can.  Again, it's just everyone's opinion whether or not a game is good.

I'm sure I could find 6 million people that think RS is a bad game too.

Originally posted by Isane

Originally posted by mike470

Originally posted by Aragon100

Originally posted by SgtFrog

bah i realized that i had been trolling a bit on the darkfall forums and i would like to aplogize.

i hate trolls myself so im sorry...

my view on df is still the same but meh thats just my view nad i need to respect everyone elses view...so im sorry

Trolling is something really childish and im glad you seem to have grown up abit. =)

 

 

Yeah, because all the fans on these board are just so much better, right....?

I've seen, and ignored, comments like this for the past couple days especially.  But enough is enough.

a)  Firstly, I think all you fans are getting mixed up over the definition of troll.  A troll is someone who comes in this forum and yells "Duke Nukem Forever!"  A troll is NOT someone who voices their opinion and gives good examples of why they believe so.  But, the fans of this forum don't realize this.  Whenever they see someone who thinks differently, they jump to the gun and just call them a troll(even when they give good reasoning to why they believe what they think). 

I'm no troll, I give reasoning to what I believe.  I've given many explanations about why I believe DF may not be releasing, and I am still called a troll.

b)  The personal attacks on this board are thrown around too much.  It's not just the "trolls" (or people who disagree with you) it is the fans as well.

c)  You fans seem to think that because I (and the rest of these "trolls") disagree with you, we seem to be less civil.  For soem reason, it is childish and immature to think differently than you.  My point of view is different then yours, but that doesn't make me any less childish than anyone else.

________________________________________

I will make two apologies, if I am proven wrong:

a)  When the game is relased.

b)  When the game has a decent launch.

 

What a bunch of little kids, there is no need for anyone to apologise if they are expressing valid oppinion. These threads are just becoming pathetic, it is as if some posters think anyone cares.

Get out in thta fresh Air and enjoy it please...

I rest my case.

Originally posted by Aragon100

Originally posted by SgtFrog

bah i realized that i had been trolling a bit on the darkfall forums and i would like to aplogize.

i hate trolls myself so im sorry...

my view on df is still the same but meh thats just my view nad i need to respect everyone elses view...so im sorry

Trolling is something really childish and im glad you seem to have grown up abit. =)

 

Yeah, because all the fans on these board are just so much better, right....?

I've seen, and ignored, comments like this for the past couple days especially.  But enough is enough.

a)  Firstly, I think all you fans are getting mixed up over the definition of troll.  A troll is someone who comes in this forum and yells "Duke Nukem Forever!"  A troll is NOT someone who voices their opinion and gives good examples of why they believe so.  But, the fans of this forum don't realize this.  Whenever they see someone who thinks differently, they jump to the gun and just call them a troll(even when they give good reasoning to why they believe what they think). 

I'm no troll, I give reasoning to what I believe.  I've given many explanations about why I believe DF may not be releasing, and I am still called a troll.

b)  The personal attacks on this board are thrown around too much.  It's not just the "trolls" (or people who disagree with you) it is the fans as well.

c)  You fans seem to think that because I (and the rest of these "trolls") disagree with you, we seem to be less civil.  For soem reason, it is childish and immature to think differently than you.  My point of view is different then yours, but that doesn't make me any less childish than anyone else.

________________________________________

I will make two apologies, if I am proven wrong:

a)  When the game is relased.

b)  When the game has a decent launch.

Sorry Tuss, you can't do it for us

Originally posted by setzer12

Sure I admit, taking out classic pking in the wildy sucks cuz i didnt have the chance to pk wen i mad my acc months b4! But...their are still resons 2 play rs.

Enlighten me.

One of the very good reasons 2 play...or play again if ur one of the saps who gave millions of coins away to noobs, is because PvP is coming back sometime this year. You guys gotta understand the reason why they took it out in the first place and be lucky that PvP wasn't taken out entirely. (Duel Arena, Clan Wars, etc.)

I understand why they did the updates, but I honestly don't care.  They weren't prepared, the updates were overexxagerated, the updates were horrible, and they didn't even give us a warning. (the list just goes on)

As for "I'm lucky they kept PVP" that doesn't make any sense at all.  Say I go out to lunch and order a bowl of pasta with sauce, clams, shrimps, scallops, and bacon.  Now, when the waiter comes back I am given a bowl of pasta without anything.  I am not lucky, I shouldn't be happy just because they gave me something.  I want what I ordered; same goes with the PVP updates:  they just couldn't replace what was taken away.

The fact that they are still trying to fix the wilderness updates just shows that they know they made a mistake.

Another reason is the graphic updates. It really has improved!!

Jagex needs to realize no one really cares about the graphics.  People playued RS for years with the horrible graphics, but that didn't affect them.  This update was just to get 10year olds to play.

With the graphics update, they were just avioding the real problems that RS has.

One other reason is that someone NEEDS to pwn Yogosun, the best player so far. (Dont get me wrong though. The BEST player is Fat Wrecked)

I believe Fat Wreck passed away.

And your gonna let some stupid update ruin all of that?

 Yes.

Oh yea, my RS name is Grammeth

Originally posted by Aragon100

Originally posted by Meridion

that's true.

They STILL don't show any UI, they don't show crafting, skills, housing, RP... All we see is badly animated large scale, STAGED combat.

Dark and Light was exactly like this, they promised sieges, player cities, open PvP, exploration, daytime dependend crafting, hundreds of skills... and released staged gameplay trailers without UI or actual gameplay time after time. You all know how this game ended up...

Meridion

 

You didnt pay attention then.

They did show UI, crafting, trading and banking.

Look at this thread and you see a summarize of UI from the video.

http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=64366

While they showed a tiny, tiny bit of each of those, it really would have been nice to see more.  If they actually had shown something other than fighting it would have been nice.  I still would have wanted to see the the battles, but I wish they cut off some of the fighting and showed all these other "great" features they have.

Showing these things for three seconds doesn't count in my book  (and I'm surprised you're defending this now, actually).  There are still plently of claims that remain unproven.

Originally posted by Ammon777

Like we even care.

That's a great way to accept an apology.  He admitted to what he did, manned up and apologized for it, and you just attack him...

Seriously man, there's no need to attack people for apologizing.

Originally posted by nightwing70

Dude Mike I see you in every single board looking for a game

What game do you think will be the one and only for you? The under developed ones that is.

Citadel of Sorcery is my favorite but that still needs a good two years.

It's possible to look forward to more than one game.  Of course when Citadel of Sorcery comes out I'm buying it; until then I need to find another game.  I saw the concept of APB about half a year ago and have been looking forward to it ever since.

And, considering I'm gameless (except for messing around on Wurm every now and then) I'm currently looking for a great game to hold me over until Citadel.

Originally posted by Aragon100

Originally posted by miagisan

i barely have visited these forums ever, had a couple of legit concerns, and have been labeled a troll.....welcome to the double standards!

 

Yes you had concerns about the video and i asked you a legimitate question and for that you marked me as someone that wants to bash your head in? =)

The one that cant even be questioned on his opinions shouldnt post here.

I ask you again, did you expect too see all aspect of the