All Posts by mike470

Originally posted by HashBrick

 

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Originally posted by Jatar

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Originally posted by HashBrick

 

I'm pretty pissed off Friction did not name the credit that gave him the damn info to begin with, but anyway.
This goes further then most of you know, I did some investigating on Aventurine which you can read here if you wish I'm not summing this up. Of coarse the thread is now locked since the mods love to glorify themselves in their power circles. http://mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/187818
Then else where he was going on about CoS, so I dug up information on the domains, plotted some maps and found the address linked to the company. Easily I may add, there was no doubt in my mind CoS was indeed developing something. http://mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2114420#2114420
Anyway Friction now has a boner to go after every other game since his is more than likely never seeing the light of day.

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Interesting, so the second link shows how Friction2u was willing to lie and do whatever it took to come 'troll' our game just to get back at 'mike', (Mike470?).  
Still, I was wrong to flare up about it.  The tone (not facts) of my response were out of line.  I apologize to the community.  It won't happen again.
That said, all I ask is that people ask us for information rather than make up things that just aren't true by wildly speculating.
Here are some facts to clear up the latest round of speculation:
1) Atlantis3D, Inc. is not making Citadel of Sorcery.  The connection is simply the licensing of an engine and two employees of A3D now work for MMO Magic, Inc.  One of these is Mr. DeRuyter, who runs a P.O. Box that he uses to get mail for both companies (since he works for both).
2) Mr. DeRuyter's brother works for A3D. 
3) MMO Magic, Inc.  is not a 'family' business of the DeRuyters.  Mr. DeRuyter is currently the Director of Level Design at MMO Magic, Inc.,   (Not that I have anything against a family business, we just aren't one).
Anything else you want to know?  Just ask.

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Ya that pretty much sums it up. I know you probably don't search around the forms outside this realm much so wanted you to know what his motive was.

Anyway I commend you guys on going for some innovative and new and wish you guys the best luck on this venture. Looking forward to playing it in the near future.
 

Mabye it's just Friction tryiing to be Sherlock Holmes (his thread got deleted), except Sherlock Holmes is usually correct....

I don't now what I did to him, but oh well..

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by mike470

Wow...I'm shoced so many people are still crying about this.  This will be the last post I make in this thread since you all seem rather stubborn on your opinion.

None of you can actually speak from Jatar's posistion (except for Tdog).  You do NOT now how much Friction's words may offend a developer...You say you have never seen a developer act the way Jatar did...that's utter bullcrap.  If you never have seen a developer/site admin act that way, then you need to go refresh some memory.  This happens.

Wether you want to believe it or not, there were some shots at the game and the devs in general in that post. 

"So the people making CoS are probably a very small team with limited game/3d modelling experience - hence the crappy screenshots and the need for a publisher to inject money into the project so they can hire talented people and get the ball rolling."

"The problem I'm seeing is that no publisher or investor is going to stump up cash to a screensaver company on the strength of those screenshots."

"What motivated me was the appalling graphics and the rough-looking official site. I just had to know who was behind this. Scammers? College kids? Leprechauns?"

 

Friction's post CLEARLY showed a lac of respect in his original post.  I must say, you people really need to learn how to read if you seriusly thought Jatar's post was just out of the blue.  He should show no more respect just because he is a developer; that is utter crap.  Friction was clearly rude about it, so Jatar will be as well.

 

 

 

"CoS devs - you have to improve what your game looks like (concept art, cgi trailer, renders, screenshots) to have any chance of success.

Seriously."

 

 

I have no idea what world you guys live in but in "my" world which is the professional world you don't go off like that. I work for a 1 billion dollar a year company. Not the highest but not chump change. And I can assure you that any person who addressed anyone like that, no matter what they said, would be fired. End of subject.

As a matter of fact in all my companies I can't think of any instance in any company or even college that I worked for where a professional could do that.

It's just not done. if you think this is acceptable and your current job would allow it then I highly suggest you stay there for a good long time as you are in for a huge dissapointment if you ever change jobs.

As far as I am concerned I am a manager in my day life and I would have reprimanded him if he worked for me.

wow. just wow. I'm simply amazed.

You hold your opinion and I hold mine. 

My view:  Developers are people too.  I see no problem with Jatar not showing respect to Friction, as Friction clearly showed rudeness  towards the whole team.  Saying that the team "needs to hire talented people" and calling them a "screensaver company" is clearly a painful shot.  If I was on the internet, said you needed to hire more people and call you an untalented company/manager with no experience you wouldn't take offence to that?

After starting up a company, using some of their own money, taking three years to work your ass off for an MMO, and then to hear someone make foolish statements (which are actually covered in the FAQ if anyone bothers to read) just to start an arguement.....you're telling me that wouldn't piss you off?  THAT is bulshit, wether you admit it or not.

You didn't start this billion dollar company.  You're not a smaller company who used some of their own funds to get started, you're just working for the company.  I'm not saying you don't work hard, but I am saying you cannot relate.  Don't get me wrong, neither can I, but I am trying to see it from Jatar and the teams' view, instead of my own.

Listen, Jatar doesn't even have to post here.  He comes here on his own time to help everyone who is interested in the game out, and I respect that.  I would not be surprised if the whole team would be pissed by this post; as it really did tae some shots.  Your first post maes no sense, being respectful or not, because no one thanks someone who takes shots at everything they worked for.

Once again, this is just my opinion.  I don't believe Jatar should show respect for people who act like Friction did in this post; although it is clear you think otherwise.

Hmm...

Light sKill:  shines light from the player who used the spell for 15 minutes (simpler than carrying a torch).

Protect Minimum:  defence +10% for 20 minutes

Protect Medium:  defence =20% for 20 minutes

Protect Maximi\um:  defence +30% for 20 minutes

Earth's Grip:  MaK es target unable to move for 60 seconds (attacK s may weaK en this spell.)

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Also, by abilities, do you mean things lie lumberjacing and herblose?  I would love to see herblore in the game.

Wow...I'm shoced so many people are still crying about this.  This will be the last post I make in this thread since you all seem rather stubborn on your opinion.

None of you can actually speak from Jatar's posistion (except for Tdog).  You do NOT now how much Friction's words may offend a developer...You say you have never seen a developer act the way Jatar did...that's utter bullcrap.  If you never have seen a developer/site admin act that way, then you need to go refresh some memory.  This happens.

Wether you want to believe it or not, there were some shots at the game and the devs in general in that post. 

"So the people making CoS are probably a very small team with limited game/3d modelling experience - hence the crappy screenshots and the need for a publisher to inject money into the project so they can hire talented people and get the ball rolling."

"The problem I'm seeing is that no publisher or investor is going to stump up cash to a screensaver company on the strength of those screenshots."

"What motivated me was the appalling graphics and the rough-looking official site. I just had to know who was behind this. Scammers? College kids? Leprechauns?"

"CoS devs - you have to improve what your game looks like (concept art, cgi trailer, renders, screenshots) to have any chance of success.

Friction's post CLEARLY showed a lac of respect in his original post.  I must say, you people really need to learn how to read if you seriusly thought Jatar's post was just out of the blue.  He should show no more respect just because he is a developer; that is utter crap.  Friction was clearly rude about it, so Jatar will be as well.

Originally posted by TdogSkal

Originally posted by Friction2u

Originally posted by mike470

Secondly, Friction comes in and makes false claims about their game and their offices.

I reported what I found. I did not come here to "make false claims"

He comes in bashing the game and saying the devs  have little experience. 

I did not bash the game. I said that they did not seem to be experienced because looking at the screenshots that was my impression.

Saying that they HAVE to do this and that. 

I was just offering advice/my opinion.

Showing where his friend lived.

That's a business address. It's a business park.

His WHOLE post was full  of false assumptions.

My post was filled with what I discovered.

Jez! Why are you people so touchy and hostile?

 

Grrrrr

 

I'm not coming back here again. That's for sure.

 

 

Sorry if we are being Hostile, dont mean to be.  Just dont want to see false information passed around as truth.   I am not attacking you.... I was attacking (wrong word to use) the information in your post.

I know you from the Darkfall boards, the other game I am waiting on.  I just want this game to go though what Darkfall is going though.

Aye, we are coming off a little hostile.

I guess these things can happen when things get a little intense around here.

Originally posted by SwampRob

     If everyone has a deep and possibly lengthy personal mission (which sounds great), won't that make it difficult to recruit others to help you with yours?  

 I believe it is always possible to have someone join your group.   People can jump on your personal story and help you out, and it will have an afefct on the overall outcome.  This not only changes your story, but also your partners' story as well.

How necessary will it be to get those others to complete your quest?  Will it be soloable?    How much of the game will be?

The WHOLE game is solable.  You are never forced to group, and can always solo your own personal quests.  You have to option o group, but your WHOLE personal story can be soloed.

    From the screenshots, the graphics look great.   How high-end a system will be required to run the game?

 I don't believe the system reqs will be too high, but I am not posistive.

Best of luck in your MMO.

I'll answer what I can.

Originally posted by Wolfenpride

If he's a dev, he should be treating potential customers with respect, I know if I went off trying to represent who I work for saying stuff like that, id be in a mess. You certainly don't even see the mod's here acting like that.

I've seen it happen before with devs and site moderators (not here).

The fact is Friction has made countless false assumptions and made personal attacs against the developers in his original post.  He showed a living home of his friend/buisness partner..

How would YOU feel if you were a developer of a game Friction said "Your games looks like crap, you clearly have no experience" nd then he showed a picture of your friends' house..I'm betting you would be pretty pissed, especially considering that most the false assumptions Friction made can be found on the main site.

Those aren't Fricion's exact words, but that is what he was saying,.

Originally posted by Wolfenpride

Just to get it off me, Jatar, your post was pretty sad as a dev, informative, but sad in that you fail to act like a dev and address any problems in the post, rather than go out of your way to toss in some personal insults. =/

I was wondering how long it would tae to get a reply like this. 

Firstly, Jatar did hit all of the main points the needed to be discussed.  He hit every single point that Friction brought up, and proved him wrong.  I have no idea what the hell you were reading if you didn't see him address all of the points.

Secondly, Friction comes in and makes false claims about their game and their offices.  He comes in bashing the game and saying the devs  have little experience.  Saying that they HAVE to do this and that.  Saying that at first impression he thought the game was a scam.  Showing where his friend lived.  His WHOLE post was full  of false assumptions.

I would have been pretty pissed as well, and I think Jatar handled it very well.

Originally posted by TdogSkal

Originally posted by Friction2u

 

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Originally posted by TdogSkal
Friction2u, you are not understanding or are just being stupied. Their is no Screensaver company. The company was working on a 3d engine. The 3d engine produced some great screensaver shots during the development of the Engine and they decided to market them.

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Atlantis3D is a company that I've started with a few friends to make screensavers

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http://deruyter.com/

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Also you say that you just wanted to warn them about giving a bad first impression, guess what, most people that visit the CoS website are very exicted after read and looking at the screenshots. Graphics mean nothing to most gamers, most gamers will play a crappy looking game as long as the gameplay is amazing. CoS is shotting for amazing Gameplay, so graphics mean little.

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Yeah, I think you're right there, but graphics will pull in an awful lot of people. Look at AoC for instance. In hindsight its graphics was its biggest selling point. People see the screenshots and preview videos and go "damn! I gotta try that out!". Funcom sold shed loads of boxes despite the gameplay being a bit "meh".

I play Mount and Blade a lot. The graphics are pretty rough looking, so I doubt many people get drawn in that way. It does have very fun gameplay and the game itself spreads through word-of-mouth.

The nirvana would be a game with incredible gameplay and great graphics.

Haven't found one yet.

 

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Graphics will be improved for sure, just like in most games, they are done as part of the polishing stage.

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I agree. I have no doubt about that. But pretty pictures have a habit of drawing in fans. Look at Darkfall. In the early razorwax years I'm pretty certain that the "in-game" pics were fake. They looked good (for the time anyway) and people could compare great (promised) gameplay with good graphics and say "WoW! I'm following this game!"

The people at Mortal Online are doing the same kind of thing. They have no in-game footage of anything. All they have is a cgi trailer, a cool site and some nice concept art - yet they have attracted a fair sized following.

All I'm saying is that window dressing - even if it's just simple things like a cool site or concept art - is a great way of promoting the game and getting the maximum amount of people to read about the features and become followers.

 

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Friction2u, you need to give it a rest, you are wrong, you were proven wrong by Jatar, its time to move back to the Darkfall forums.

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Fine. I'll keep quiet now. I know when I'm not wanted.

 

And btw ... there's nothing wrong with using a modified 3D engine for a mmorpg that was originally used for screensavers. You'd be surprised to hear how much software out there had started out in life as smaller, simpler programs.

 

This is part of Jatar's post.

"Let's start with Atlantis3D, Inc.  This is a small technology development company.  They began making a new 3D engine quite a few years ago.  During that process they turned out some nice screensavers as tests of the early engine.  A long time has past since then and now they have licensed their improved engine to several industries, including the game industry.  "

Altantis3d, Inc - created a new 3d engine - said engine turned out some nice screensavers as tests - the Screensavers are a side product - Main product the new 3d engine.

Its all right in that little bit by Jatar posted.  I cant make it any clearer.

Its not that we dont want you here Friction2u, I just want you to understand.  

Just to add on...

Modifications to the Trident3D engine begin
16 January 2005

• Now that we have decided to create an MMORPG for our next project, our first order of business was to make a plan on how to create our as yet un-named MMORPG. Should we purchase an existing engine for the game, or build our own from scratch? After looking at what was available, and what we needed for a cutting edge game, we quickly realized we would need a custom engine. In the end we went with both ideas. We licensed an existing engine that allowed us to modify the source code and customize it for our use.
  
  The Trident3D engine has worked out well in our plans.

  The original form of the engine was actually started several years previously. It was then improved for two years (2002-2004) and used on several 3D programs (not games). With some additional work it was soon ready to start rendering our MMORPG world.

 So as you can see the engine was improved, as well as it being custamizable for an MMORPG.

Not sure if this helps, but just some additional information on the engine

Friction, you're wrong.  Just give up, you have been proved wrong by both Jatar and Tdog, now just stop...

Try doing actual basic reearch before you post again.

It is not as much that they are "lazy" but they are worried to make a difference.  The big developing companies out there are too worried to risk their money on something different, as MMOs are rather expensive to make.

Publishers and investors are scared to risk their money on different games; which winds up appealing to a smaller crowd.  Instead, they put their money into things more like WoW and EQ clones, as they believe it is a "safer" way to use thier money.

This is why the future of games lies with indie developers.

Originally posted by modjoe86

This thread, and many of its posters, get my "You must be gay" stamp of approval.  If I ever get tired of seeing attractive women, regardless of what they are saying, please shoot me.  Come on guys, remember what lurks below your waistline.

Would you be willing to put this to the test?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww 

None of them personally.

First I would play Citadel of Sorcery, then APB, then Guild Wars 2, and then mabye Stargate Worlds.

From that list, considering they are NOT vaporware, Darkfall.  But looking from a perspectivw where some of the games tyou listed above may not get released, I would go with Stargate Worlds.

I found that Shamans' are rather good soloers. CurrentlyI am at level 16, and most of that was form soloing.

Also, being a tank or healer ar epretty good demand, but I think there is more of a demand for tanks.  Either one is very enjoyable to play IMO.

Also, just group up with some people, try to join a guild using the guild list in-game, and you'll begin enjoying yourself rather quickly. 

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Originally posted by Antikythera

no

Really?  It wasn't in the magazine...wow..

Really poor moderation on Adventurine.  They should have stopped that thread before it got out of control...rediculous, putting false hope to their fanbase like that...

Then again, being Tasos, cannot say I'm shocked.

Was there a DF interview in the PC Gamer speculation?  I remember talking about it a couple weeks ago, but haven't really heard anything since?

So, was the interview in there, or is the magazine not released yet?

Originally posted by Wo0ah

It's funny how thread like this never seems to get attention, but those bashing darkfall do.

This forum is full of aids.

Not really.  People have already known that they are experienced...but they are not experienced in MMOs.

While they are respectable company for things like CDs, they do not have any experience with MMOs.

We'll just have to wait and see how they handle this..

Originally posted by wumptrooper

Originally posted by Polarization

Originally posted by wumptrooper

 It's quite obvious you have no clue about what LinkedIn is. It's not a job advert site where you publish your CV to find a job. It can help finding a job/employee/business partner/contract etc. but it's a social networking site focusing on business contacts. The fact that someone has "looking for career opportunities" checked doesn't mean he's there to get out of his current job. Everyone I know from IT has a similar profile there with everything checked, and I assure you they're not looking for a job at the moment.

 

And what's your explanations for Core developers / founders and co-owners of Darkfall and Aventurine/ Razorwax being Interested in things like “new ventures” and “business deals” ?

 

New ventures / business deals like uhmm a publisher maybe? E.g. the new AudioVisual Entertainment division involving employees of both AVE & Aventurine... Or maybe you could read again what I wrote before because you missed the point. It's social networking site, a professional myspace if you will.

What abiout career oppurtunities?  He already has a career! 

What about job inquiries?  Is he going to moonlight or something LOL.

The point is, you have a developer who is SUPPOSED to be working on DF and mainly DF.  Not looking to start a new jopb.

And FFS that's the 3rd time I try to post, MMORPG.com wouldn't let me post because they want me to claim a super-duper prize of 1000 silver ignots in some Chinese grind MMO that I supposedly won

 

My only worry of CoS is gone..

 Thanks for answering.

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