Well to be fair it's the Darkfall forums, I think it's fair to expect fans of the game to congregate here.

For what it's worth, I don't think Darkfall would have been anywhere near as successful without the trolling. So if there are any losers here, it's the trolls - they have themselves to thank for Darkfall's success.

Originally posted by Alandora

CCP is the perfect example of how to take a small marketing budget and grow a game by being honest with players.

Darkfall is the perfect example of how to show you are an amateur.

Obviously you weren't around when EVE was released.

EVE almost died in the first year due to all the bugs and stuff that didn't work.

lie more carebears!

Originally posted by CaesarsGhost

Originally posted by dalevi1

Originally posted by jy88902

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by CaesarsGhost

I think we've established that javac is talking out of his rear more then interested in providing evidence.

only you think that. everyone else knows you got wtfpwned. specifically i gave links that substantiated my claim, you didn't; your knowledge of distributed computing == cursory, etc. sorry.

 

but if you can pls do find me a link, any link that describes WOW's server tech as being anything like what you were claiming.

 

You are quite wrong on this. None of your posts indicate you actually know what you're talking about.

Furthermore, people with any form of post-graduate education will have too much pride to post in such an immature manner. Throwing around internet Ph.D's and using terms like "wtfpwned" are dead giveaways that you're at best still in college. You need to tone your trolling down a notch to avoid making a bigger fool out of yourself.

 

Did he post his CV again? I warned him that was a bad idea the last time he was trying to prove his metal. He reminds me of the "Ph.D. in Music" from USC that poked the Maitre D from Hell's Kitchen when he had the "audacity" to tell him his actions were illegal.

"I have a Ph.D.! Damn You!!!"

"A PH.D.!!!!"

 

HAHAHA!  I remember that!  he poked Jean Phillipe and told him he was "more educated".  But he ordered pizza into the restaraunt.

Great show.  Great analogy.  You get +3 in my book. :-D

Weren't you the first one to bring up your credentials?

Guy sounds a lot more credible than the rest of you put together to be honest.

Too funny.

Originally posted by sabutai33

Originally posted by Aragon100 

You mean the ones that give 5 FPS when theres more then 5 people onscreen?

You must be talking about poorly written graphics engines, or better yet. You must be talking about MMO companies that purchase pre-made engines and cant even rewrite the core graphics engine to be usable with more than 5 players onscreen, yeah thats it.

You mean like AoC, which was based on the year 2000 Dreamworld engine that was used in AO?

I for one loved those 5SPF AoC sieges with only 25v25.

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Hey, these graphics are the best ever, which is why we didn't give you a video capture of the game, but instead used a video camera to shoot the computer screen and moved the camera around the whole time. WTF??!!

They gave us 17mins of direct game video just recently, and some (clueless) people complained it wasn't real and that they wanted a video of someone playing the game. voila.

Originally posted by FE|Tachyon

Originally posted by jy88902

The situation with Darkfall is beyond comical at this point.

Here we are at about three weeks (please don't try to suggest they'll launch during Christmas week) before the supposed "open beta + release" and all they're willing to show is a "daily preview" done by the dev's close personal friends?

This is their idea of throwing their supporters a bone? Seriously? 

Oh, and the Darkfall fans better hope there's something wrong with the first screenshot because if that's how the graphics look in-game, all the non-fanboys are going to have a field day.

 

this post has a very distinct odor of rotting troll.

Flaws....

1. Games won't release the week of Xmas.  Wrong.  It's been done by publishers befor.  Why would this title be different,  Just because its an MMO?  Kids are out of school.  Seems like a great time to lauch a game.

2. Have you honestly looked at the newest screenshots?  Looks better then WoW, Warhammer, Runes of Magic, and a dozen of other MMOs that are alive and kicking, and/ or under production.

3. All the NON-Fanboys are going to have a field day?  By this You mean TROLLS.   By Troll I mean people who honestly don't plan to play the game, and just want to torment,  make statements that are completely irrelevent, or false.(LIKE the Comment I quoted)  You think they haven't been saying the same crap all along?  Aside from the Vaporware crap,  Nothing has changed for trolls.  Different games get the same Troll responce.  "Graphics suck"  "It won't be finished" "Pay to Beta"  mobo jumbo. 

The funniest thing is looking at a Darkfall trolls post history and seeing fanboi posts in WOW forums. WOW's graphics were outdated when the game released, and look where it still is now.

Originally posted by Polarization

They are getting wiped regularly and they only have goblins, some quests to kill goblins and rudimentary crafting and resource gathering in the starting areas to talk about.

There is currently nothing else in this feature complete and almost ready to release game 1 month from its launch deadline.

Polar finally showing his true colours: just another increasingly desperate troll.

Anyone with a clue can look at any of the videos and screenshots released in the past few years and realise that all the major elements of the game are in. Not to mention you don't sign contracts with datacentres and publically-traded distributors unless your product is as ready as you say it is. In the real world, there are these things called duty of disclosure and due diligence, which in a nutshell means if your shit isn't up to what you're claiming, you get your arse wtfsued and potentially jailed.

There aren't preorders or CEs to sell, they have absolutely zero to gain from saying the game is ready if it wasn't. DF might not release by Dec 31, but so what?

Originally posted by Kien

The MMORPG.COM message board are full of buzz about Darkfall. Over the past several days, I've seen several posters mention DF on non-DF boards. This is exciting news for Adventurine... but if by the end of the year Adventurine fails to prove they have a product, will the game lose all credibility? Or do you think people will continue to plug Darkfall as "the next big thing" ?

i don't think a Dec release or Feb release makes much difference to the people who are planning on playing it.

what DOES make a big difference is the number of bugs in the game. AoC was released in almost alpha quality and tanked, War was released as a mid-late beta and is also losing a fair proprtion of their subscriber base. I hope DF doesn't get sucked into releasing before they're ready. seeing as they don't have some big faceless publisher breathing down their neck they are probably in the best possible position to make that call.

Originally posted by Deathstrike2

Honestly, they're okay, but certainly not the best of any MMO.  On the other hand, I'm not sure the DF devs set out to make the best looking graphics.  What they have here is adaquate IMO -- not cutting edge, but probably middle of the road for current MMOs.   There's no sense in getting all worked up and saying the graphics are the best or worst ever.  Neither of those statements would be true.

dude you're not allowed to post common sense here.

It's especially telling how well DF is doing from the failtrolls having moved from "roflvapurz" to "this game will fail".

aside from minor detractions like female elf running animation, all the new stuff has been nothing short of great.

I agree with you that DF has good, sometimes great graphics.

eg: compare your OP screenshot to this one from AoC. i especially like the ground texture.

Originally posted by Amegashie

 

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Originally posted by dirtknap69

 

it's obvious now that the game is there, all the main features are there, and the game is likely to be fairly popular (bearing in mind it is unapologetically hardcore).

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How is any of that obvious ? Dark&Light and Mourning didn't smell nearly as much like vaporware as Darkfall still does. And we all know how those two turned out.

Even in the unlikely case that Darkfall should indeed be released at some point in the future, expecting even half the promissed features to be in and fully functional would be setting yourself up for a huge disappointment, MMO history should have taught you that much.

MMO history is meaningless - what happened to other games has ZERO influence on home DF turns out.

All the main features of Darkfall have been shown now in screenshots + movies. easily implemented stuff like X + Y = Z-style crafting i don't need to see to accept it's in the game. all the major stuff is obviously there. the only reasonable question is how well it's implemented, not whether it's there or not.

it's obvious now that the game is there, all the main features are there, and the game is likely to be fairly popular (bearing in mind it is unapologetically hardcore). we can also definitely say the graphics are better than most of us expected (with some minor animation ugliness for a couple of races/sexes).

the only questions that matter at this point are: how good/stable is the game and when will it be released?

i think for sure there are external people in the beta right now but i don't think the scaled-up "open" beta has started yet, or we'd have heard about it by now.

08 release is looking unlikely i agree, but you can never be sure of anything with Av -- they could just as easily have an open beta from Dec 1-10, then release Dec 14.

I have a funny feeling there will be an announcement on Monday...

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

I agree with you on most of this.

I agree that those think the enviroments are as good as AoC are  I mean anyone thats actualy seen the two can see that DF outshines AOC in that area.

Char models are not that much better than War and the animations are  mediocre.

Your WoW comment though one is only left with the assumtion you haven't seen the SS's and the other recent videos. I would recomend starting with the 17 min in game footage vid, downloaded version not yourube then watch the ADW Vid check the screenshots out and then try and make comparisons. It's obvious you haven't seen the other videos or screenshots, I mean if you had surely the 17min game footage vid would have been the one you used for comparison.

you must be new here. the guy you replied to is a dedicated darkfall troll who gets banned every 2 weeks and comes back with a different nickname. hilarious but true, everyone who knows this forum just ignores/filters him out.

i agree with you that DF's environment graphics are generally as good as or better than AoC

Originally posted by Greek_Matt

Originally posted by dirtknap69

agree 100% darkfall world and environment graphics are as good as AoC, and far better than WOW or W:AR.

 

Darkfall's character models are not up to AoC standard, but they're not supposed to be, they're supposed to be lean and fast, for massive battles.

 

Darkfall's animations are its weakest point - we can already see that Darkfall AI is going to be great -- even the lowest & dumbest mob - the goblin - fights and acts believably and certainly is not the standard just stand still auto-attack crap that every other MMO has.

If you honestly can't tell the difference between the AoC environments and those of Darkfall then I suppose you're lucky, since you're far more likely to enjoy DF than most.

As for "...we can already see that Darkfall AI is going to be great..." I have to wonder where the hell you get that from. You've seen one minute of footage of a lone player chasing a lone goblin who is running away, and from this you infer a great AI?! Or maybe it's from all those suspiciously positive "legitimate beta reports from actual testers" that sounded like they were written by Aventurine's AI testing bots... reports that once again only seem to talk about goblins. Perhaps goblins are all they have?

you should try watching some of the other vids that are out there so you don't come off so uninformed,

agree 100% darkfall world and environment graphics are as good as AoC, and far better than WOW or W:AR.

Darkfall's character models are not up to AoC standard, but they're not supposed to be, they're supposed to be lean and fast, for massive battles.

Darkfall's animations are its weakest point - we can already see that Darkfall AI is going to be great -- even the lowest & dumbest mob - the goblin - fights and acts believably and certainly is not the standard just stand still auto-attack crap that every other MMO has.

i just watched the HD video and graphics and gameplay look great. female human running is pretty bad, but meh i wasn't planning on playing a female human anyway... ork running from ADW was pretty good.

i am seeing a lot of potential for intense PVE and high skill GvG action.

Originally posted by Moosejooce

I think they'll deliver...the issue will be keeping them from selling out to carebears and starting to soften the game.

Probably the most accurate post in the thread.

Will DF have some disappointments? Probably. Especially people expecting anything like WOW.

Will DF have some amazing, awe-inspiring moments? Probably. I think the 'environmental' stuff in Darkfall (wind/weather/shadows/sunsets/sunrises) is pretty underrated and will blow people away in-game.

Regardless, the MMO industry *needs* more variety and more innovation, and DF is going where the 'big' companies are too scared to go.

if DF delivers decent gameplay, it will be a hit, no doubt about it. it's biggest limitation -- subscriber number-wise -- will come from the full-loot, friendly-fire aspect.

Will they have to soften up the game somewhat? eg: more roaming NPC guards around towns? yeah maybe, and i'm ok with it; the fundamentals of the game are strong and a working, living game with a few adjustments is better than a hardcore game with noone playing.

Seeing as you've been wrong (and admitted it) about Darkfall on several occasions now, isn't time you kept quiet so as not to embarrass yourself?

i think Tasos spins everything in a positive light, but he doesn't grossly exaggerate. A lot of people do over-read however...

yes i believe the game will have all the major features that have been specifically described as being in the game.

yes if they have invested as much time and effort into the server code and with the appropriate server hardware then yes i believe they should be able to manage their 10K+ players in a server instance.

EVE regularly manages 35K+ in a single server instance but there are many things to consider:

1) EVE server cluster hardware is pretty high end, we don't know how big DF's clusters will be, i'm sure they will be testing that in the public beta.

2) EVE's server code is written in python (a fairly slow scripting language); DF's backend is written in much much faster (and scalable/tweakable) java/c++.

3) DF's server code is more advanced than EVE's -- EVE's zones are restricted to a single node in the cluster; DF's aren't.

4) EVE's combat system is not real-time. the demands of a real-time combat system are much higher.

that said, it's clear that 10K+ simultaneously connected clients is well possible, the real question is at what point does the combat performance degrade? then you just set the max number of clients just below that number and everything's sweet.