So you think that because we all know that it has what all MMO's should have a basic staple makes it ok that we still know NOTHING about actually gameplay and world mechanics? lol for thinking that i was trolling you, last time i checked im entitled to my opinion and your entitled to yours, but the fact still remains that you and i know still next to nothing about this game as an MMO.

For someone who thinks we sound like children, you sure do THINK you know enough about this game. People are concerned now because of witholding information in a business where thats been proven to only backfire.

bologna, more like 2011 after the display they put on today :P

Originally posted by Horkathane

Originally posted by Antarious

Originally posted by madeux

I think you inadvertently got it right when you said "where did we go wrong".

I put more blame for the state of mmo's on the players than the developers.  The communities are horrible, they're full of elitist bastards, whiners, and complainers.  The developers can't win, because no matter what choice they make, there will always be a group of people who aren't happy with it and will feel the need to constantly rant and rave about it, call it a fail, etc. 

Most players don't get into the lore of a game, so the overall atmosphere has a major impact.  But it's more than just the look and feel, although that plays a big part, but it's the community interactions that set the tone for things.

 

 

I agree with this to an extent but I think it goes slightly wrong.  Community being horrible is pretty much my big key here...

 

I really don't mind what most term as "elitist" becuase they are never doing anything in an MMO I would care about.  Whiner, complainers etc... I turn off general chat.  Or I apply a liberal application of /ignore.

 

The issue to me is how bad the community actually is "IN" game these days.  I'll use this as a personal example...

 

In 1997 when Ultima Online launched, it was open pvp with full looting.  You can imagine all the horrible things that went on... yet somehow.. I had the largest friends list of ANY mmo I ever played... was involved in all kinds of things.  It was in the end what I would probably term the best community *I* ever was around in an MMO... and all that with pvp and full loot.

 

Now in todays games... pvp or not.  I don't want to group with anyone because of how they act.  I have ignore lists longer than my old UO friends list.. because of how people act.  I often wonder how they manage to operate a computer, breath on their own etc..

 

I've actually in a way become an elitist bastard because why in the hell would I want to group with the average person I see in an MMO now... so yes to me that is a large reflection on the communities we have now.  Tho I do meet people who are fun to play with... seem to be great people etc... its now very rare as opposed to how common it used to be.

 

And before anyone says it... it has nothing to do with age.

 

In fact that spins me off into a different lane of thinking...

 

Back in the day hardware was pretty expensive.  If you were online and in an MMO it was because that was your hobby... your passion.  So you basicly had a bunch of people who really wanted to be there...

 

Then again I think you can say the same for developers.  I think it used to be more about passion... really wanting to make a game.  As opposed to "wanting to work in the gaming industry."  The people we have now as developers and the companies behind them... are no longer in the business of making games.  They are making games for business.

 

You do also have the aspect of the player base who is very vocal on message boards.  Regardless of what it was about....  and I think to some extent that developers decided people who left without saying anything... were represented by that large crying base.  I call it crying because... my belief is the large subscriber losses around the industry (most mmo's) are due to people leaving over changes made... As opposed to being a silent part of the outcry.

 

So as they change this or that... and a large batch of people leave.. saying nothing... no feedback and don't come back.  They decide they didn't listen to the forum enough... or move fast enough.. and the subs start to bleed as they listen and move faster.

 

Somehow they never click on the lightbulb... that these people leave because they didn't want the changes to begin with.

 

So the blame is on both sides... but to be honest the biggest thing that pisses me off currently in MMO's is other players.  I really wish there was a community standard that was actually enforced.  There are these wonderful things call Terms of Service and End User License Agreement.  Its really to bad they aren't enforced... then again if MMO developers clean up the community they are losing money.  So in the long run do they lose more money by letting the community go to crap.. or by keeping it clean?

 

*edited for a few annoying grammar related incidents...*

 

I'd also say one MMO that I tried 3 times since its launch in late 2008... the reason I hit cancel every time was due to lack of ToS/Eula enforcement... and I might have put up with it.. if I hadn't already watched the same crap in another game from the same company.  So you know which side of the "keep your game clean" fence I sit on.

Good post and I want to answer a few of your concerns.

The reason mmo's were great back in 1997 and 1999 (when Everquest launched my first mmo) is because 85% of the player base was adults. The games were hard and you were punished for screwing up. (Corpse runs) But, these harsh punishments strengthened the game and encouraged the player base to get along (Hey can I have a SOW for a CR please!!) These things contributed to a community interaction (TRAIN TO ZONE!!!!  Where, which side!!!), (East Commons chat based yell selling) which would be a bannable offense in todays games gave a realistic auction feel and was fun trying to get that item you need in real-time before someone else.

Now we are all sanitary, self-sufficient and operate in game behind auction houses faceless and detached from each other. We use to play like we were all at the table in the room like in old school pen and paper D&D. Now its a library and everyone is by themselves.

As Technology increases...the efficencys we seek seperate us...suks,but someone needs to figure out how to increase technology without decreasing interaction.

I whole heartedly miss this something fierce in todays MMO's, and i agree 110% that technology should be bringing us closer together as a community rather than sticking us in a cubicle and telling us to keep quiet or the guy next to you will complain.

Vrazule, your kidding right? there are maybe a PALM full of MMO's on the market that actually require you to do any sort of grouping. Most mmo's now are so dumbed down to meet the console gamers casual standards that grouping and community interaction is only left to /tells and stupid forum boards, i swear theres more interaction between gold spammers multiple accounts playing off one another than there is in most MMO's today.

Thats not what alot of peoples concerns have been about, its about the gameplay and if its going to be even a remotely open world or instanced to gosh awful death, thats what people want to know

so true about the grouping system, it wouldnt be right without it to be honest. I know alot of people want to be able to solo to their hearts content but final fantasy's combat has never been about one person party experiences

Would be much cooler on a chocobo, sadly i have neither a chocobo or a pony

Gil Account-0.00 lol

SE has gotten much better about being punctual, so they said 2010, thats next year, i will probably say fall next year, all speculation of course

Im thinking the same exact thing, the music from the site is filling my room with the sounds of new hope for a great MMO

Originally posted by pencilrick

Originally posted by Airdefier

live on E3!!! like 1 minute ago on G4 TV

 

so whats to become of FF11?

Maybe they can put it on a double disk and sell it with Vanguard as a 2-for-1 discount deal.

 im very much in favor of FF14 but zomg i loled in RL to this comment

well im sure whatever the setting itll be a great fantastic wonderful game that the lot of us will enjoy

and @cukimunga so do I for the background music lol

So who else instantly signed up for the email registration for 14? lol that was the first thing i did

EDIT: By the way, that music on the site is so perfect, it is the victory music that we have all been waiting to hear that our new MMO has come! :D

wow, i hope that they keep alot of the same classes as before, would love to keep playing a corsair, or sudo corsair type character, anyways cool video and most certainly looking forward to this one

also too, im not totally set on seradon so if you have a guild that isnt on that server your more than welcome to post here as well! wish i could edit the title lol

Im actually currently installing and patching the game as we speak, im looking to get into a guild right away so i can have some good conversation and possibly some insight into the game and how it works an such, this wont be my first MMO so my learning curve wont be too terrible i hope, anyways, hope to get some replys and cant wait to see you all in game!

either a dragoon LS or a linkshell who has some experienced dragoons that are willing to take on a new player wanting to become a dragoon :)

Sylnarr