Originally posted by uncus

Aganazer:  You are mistaken on one point - after 3 repeats the amount of xp drops [IIRC by 10% per run] each run.

However, you are correct in that the xp never drops to 0.  One person in beta said he was still only -90% as a level 16 in a level 1 dungeon!  It might take near forever to get enough xp to get to 20 as a F2P, but technically, it could be done.

I believe there is also a timer in the same way as looted chests, so the repeating would have to be in quick succession.

Originally posted by TheFranchise

Originally posted by karat76

I guess this will be good news for some but for me they blew the feel of D&D for me when they made it all instanced. Way back when I played Pnp even if we had an adventure prepared for us we could still go off exploring and the Dm would just go with it.

 

They added some free-to-roam areas.  Someone could also go into one of the instanced outside areas and mess around if they want.  And, sure, a human DM can go with it, but a programmed computer can't.  My PnP sessions nowadays are somewhat "convention stye," where, yeah, we can go explore if we want, but it's not going to be nearly as interesting because that's not part of the module.

 

And that's how DDO seems to me.  You're in the "area" of the main quest, and if you want to go off and do whatever in that area, no problem, and maybe some of those things would be side quests, but they're not the main reason you're there.  In my PnP playing, we also never ran into another PnP group, so PnP feels instanced anyway.

Good point that, I never remember running in to another PnP group while playing either, I only remember NPCs created by the DM. 100s of people would probably have not worked well in a PnP session, in fact they don't really work well with any PvE content of any depth in a MMO either.

Give the DDO F2P beta a go, has twitch combat, will have first person view, and tombraider like movements jumping and grabbing ledges type things. Detailed quests rather than grinding in open areas.

Originally posted by jbattern

Last question then, where is the best place to download the client?

When I tried it from the site, it was unbearably slow.

I'm in the EU so can't really answer this question, probably one to ask in the DDO part of these forums. There is also a sticky thread there to the hi-res client you can try.

Try the DDO trial.

Give DDO a try, very PvE focused as long as you don't dislike grouping. In fact having to work as a team might be just what you are looking for if you are tired of PvP.

Always LOTRO if you want more of an explorer type game.

Originally posted by jbattern

So, with DDO: Unlimited, there won't be any subscription fees.

 

Do you still have to pay the $15 to get the game?

 

No you don't, once it is out of beta it will be a free digital download (sort of already is with the trial). If you do buy the box you will however get 1 month VIP access and 500 store points to spend. That is how I understand it.

I should point out my post was not really about DDO and whether it needs F2P, plenty of posts on that. More witnessing comments that very unfavourably stereotype people (kids, idiots, foul mouthed, that sort of thing) based purely on their inability or wish not to pay for a MMO on a subscription basis, and wondering if F2P players are generally treated like a lesser social group.

Originally posted by Scot

The fact that you used the words ‘hate’ and ‘bigotry’ in your OP was ludicrous. No they don’t ‘have to put up with it’ because it only exists in a mind with a totally overreacting vocabulary. Please use such words appropriately not just to describe opinions or actions you do not agree with.

Anyone who likes F2P/RMT look at the thread stickied in this forum, don’t you think you have enough choice already?

F2P/RMT is not our future, it is our doom, as it seems many DDO players realise.

I used bigotry is exactly the right context, I suggest you look up terms you don't understand before posting.

Originally posted by Bleakmage

What if its been a thousand years since I played but it was only a trial account and I never came back, but I might have a Warforged Bard character still sitting in its character slot? Will I still be able to play it even though I've never paid one penny to play t he game ever?

Good question, eh? Maybe not. :D

Warforged would not be available to you so the character would be locked. The current guesswork (and it is no more than that) is unlocking Warforged would cost you in the region of $4.50 and then you can play the F2P content.

Your only alternative is Guild Wars, although you will have to pay for the box.

It is funded by something akin to a pyramid scheme where a decreasing number of new player box sales pay for an ever increasing number of players to support, so I would jump in now because that model is fundamentally unstable in the long term.

Why not just play a PvE focused game or one where the PvP is very zone limited.

If you want to be a hero, how about City of Heroes?

Since DDO has announced it is going F2P, I have noticed some extreme F2P player hate, at times bordering on pure bigotry.

I wanted to know what the F2P players think about this?

Is it something they generally have to put up with?

As a lot of these F2P game have stores and so are anything but free, are people actually paying just in a different way and still being treated like freeloaders?

Originally posted by Aganazer

If they are smart they will realize that the real strength of NWN is user made content. If they were to make a MMOG with a well integrated way to create content, it will be a huge success. That would put the game into its own niche.

Agree, without the ability to build your own content NWN would have just been a mediocre game with a pretty tedious storyline.

Originally posted by AllNewMMOSuk

From here it looks like in typical self righteous player fashion, people feel they're owed every bit of information they want. They've answered a lot of questions and they will put out more information when they are ready. Contrary to your's and a couple other people that post a lot on here, they don't have to sit there and answer every question players ask. They can also choose to answer none of them, and if you'd expand your experience a bit you'd see no company sits on the forums and answers all the questions. A lot of companies don't post information on their forums ever, they just moderate them.

 

But the type of player like you, who feels for some reason he is owed everything, will always be upset with any game you are playing. Since every company will continue to not answer all the questions, and continue to put out information when they are ready to. All you can do is realize it is just a game, and life doesn't revolve around it, then maybe you can get used to how the world works which is information from companies when they are ready to give it.

EU forums are leaving post heavy even though we are not getting the F2P option. It would appear F2P bigotry doesn't even require you to be affected, truly amazing.

Originally posted by Giddian

I for one Like this Idea. With the lack of jobs and money being tight everywhere, it’s good for all. Get new subs that normally wouldn't play, might check it out just because it's free. And let’s face it, subs are down. I for one welcome the change. As a subscriber, I will continue to pay to be a VIP for the extra perks. I can't believe people talking about leaving a game they like over this, New blood is good and if they like the game, {and they should} they will want to pay so they can compete with the big boys. I really think this is a Win Win

I can't understand all the F2P player hate either, or the fact the forums have gone hissy fit mad.

DDO if you want a group focused MMO.

Out of interest which companies have never been accused of misleading their customers? I know from my experience NCSoft, Cryptic, Funcom, Blizzard, Adventurine, SOE and who did I miss(?) have all been accused, who exactly hasn't?

Grow up guys, you are acting like someone stole your virginity.

Originally posted by Taram

I know that I, for one, will be returning to DDO to enjoy the free content and there's a good chance I may purchase 1 or 2 of the optional components as well. 

Those optional adventure packs have got to be a hit, if only for the I have to know whats beyond that door frustration factor. I predict Gianthold as the top seller.

Originally posted by codejack

Originally posted by Dr.Rock

Originally posted by Guillermo197

And oh.... good luck with the F2P crowd coming in. If you think WoW had a bad and immature community. Watch these F2P guys coming into your game ;)

 

I think the fact you actually have to interact with other people in DDO to do the content, rather than just run around solo doing noddy quests, should weed out most of those that have no social skills.

Really? Well, it hasn't worked so far :p

I take it you are still playing then, I have corrected my post.