Ignoring the rhetoric, I would think a good FTP game might be Perfect World. As a anime freak you should eat that on e up. With your spawn playing wow though, I have to say, since you are a new gamer, you have nothing to lose by trying it out.

Just do him/her a favor, dont log on to his/her server if you choose that path. You'll ruin their life,

Just Sayin'

OK Her. You'll ruin her life...If she wants you there, she'll invite you...

Originally posted by uquipu

People here will say Second Life is not an MMORPG

1. It's massive

2. It's online

3. Players are roleplaying alternate personas

4. Second like even has combat systems

5. There are many role playing sub groups in SL, trekkies, western fans, elves, etc

Just because there aren't a bunch of NPCs standing around with ! doesn't mean SL isn't an MMO.

SL is the perfect sandbox.

Agreed. It belongs here. Do what you want with it...

Been there since 04. No need to explain. It's just fun at times.

Actually, I think the answer I liked best was the producer's perspective. He is gabby for sure, but at least he answered the questions that were posed to him. I thought it was a good read. Just saying...

Maybe they should have just saved time and money by using their ru coding skills to hack a bank. It would have been faster...

Originally posted by Linna

www.aionsource.com/forum/culture-media/102027-mmo-blues.html

 

The most amazing thing... I posted a list of things I've observed as going wrong with MMOs, driving out people in my guild and other guilds we play with. I mention a few things that DID work ok, and boom, here's this person making the most outrageous claims:

 

- there was no PVP before the CU, just duelling

- you needed full groups of 20 to do the missions,

- pistoleers could not solo lairs and he spent entire days LFG

- mission terminals didn't give more mobs if you took missions while in larger groups

- teras kasi were never a part of star wars (well, he does think only the first 3 movies count, apparently)

 

So weird. He doesn't know jack about the game-that-was, but insists on flaming us as a group because we'd love it if SW:TOR brought some of the good times back. Anyone else running into this type of madness?

 

Linna

I think his knowledge of SWG is obviously limited, if not downright ignorant. I knew many t-21 toting riflemen with terrain negotiation in the CU that would eat TK's for breakfast. But, *hey* the CU didn't gimp our old TK's. I played one until the bitter end with great amounts of success (anti-decay kit in the knuckler of katarn with master doc and debuffs from polie).

What is really unfortunate is he derailed a very good post on your part.

i will just say happy new year. you guys are the smurf.

Originally posted by Kodark

You dont look for Darkfall, Darkfall finds you.

He doesn't want a mmo, he wants team fortress 2.

Originally posted by KingGator

Originally posted by dalevi1

Originally posted by KingGator

Originally posted by Cyborg99

The industry shouldn't have to adapt to the minority (you) because your not worth thier time (money) so I think you have two options.

1. Find a game the best suits you. It's not going to be perfect but if you enjoy it then thats good.

2. Stop gaming.

I'm sorry to say but it's simple as that. I hope you find a game that you like but it's extremely rare to find your dream. That game for me is Oblivion: TES and I'm still playing it and loving it.

Best of luck to you.

 

LOL was this for me? If so why even bother to post that. I wasn't asking someone to develope my perfect game. I was asking what games might be in developement I might like. Also, i would probably represent a large enough minority that we are financially significant.  So, your brilliant piece of advice in point 1, that's what I am doing now smart guy. The stupidity of your statement in point 1 is only outdone by the stupidity of point 2.

Basically, your post wasn't relevant to anything I asked, not did I complain about anything, so what was your point? That you're an internet tough guy, or one of those annoying preachy personality people? Seriously, piss off...................

 

Best of luck to you.

There was nothing offesive about his statement, "tough guy".

You are easily offended. Really, his post, was kinda logical.

 

No, no it wasn't. I asked a question. He launched into a self-righteous diatribe regarding how the mmo industry doesn't have to cater to me. If you read my OP, it had nothing to do with that. The gist of my original post, since you and the "battler" don't seem to get it is simply thus; are there any new games in developement I might not have heard of that I might be interested in. He is what is typically known as a troll.

No. He is not a troll. He had a very clear point, as did you at OP when you stated that single player rpgs might be more fun for you. My guess is at this point, you would be much happier playing a single player game. In OP, you stated you don't like anything other than high fantasy, fine. If you cannot find your game in mmo space with that requirement, you are completely screwed, and Dragon Age, Never Winter Nights 2, or Oblivion, sounds *right* up your alley. So play them, or keep dropping US50 on something you hate. I don't care. His point, let me reinforce:

"1. Find a game the best suits you. It's not going to be perfect but if you enjoy it then thats good."

"2. Stop gaming."

By #2,  I think he meant stop trying to find a MMO, since it obviously does not suit you play style. By #1, he meant be happy FFS.

If you think his statement was a "self-righteous diatribe," you are nothing more than a weak minded human being. He even went as far as to say he wasn't playing a mmo.

Just sayin.

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by Xondar123

Originally posted by Gishgeron

Originally posted by Xondar123

Man, what's with all the puritanical prudes?

If anything, there should be more nudity on TV, in newspapers, in games, and on the internet. Maybe if there was way more prudes would figure out that nudity isn't the horrible, evil thing they think it is.

 

Go ask your mother to get naked and then come back here and try to say that again.

I dare you.

 

I don't have to because I see your mom naked every night.

Edit: Holy crap, people here have a major Oedipus Complex going on...

This, the inevitable "you mom" shit is just the type of creature nudity in a video game will attract. WOW refugees will flock to it like flys to shit.

He did mention Oedipus...And it's "your mom" not "you mom" unless you mean "you mama's" translated "yo mama's". I don't see how this is platform specific. I have seen it in every game I have trialed for more than a day. If the game allowes nudity, and a very liberal character creation, watch out..you might just see yo mama.

Just sayin.

Originally posted by Ichmen

im going to skip most of the replies as it seems a vast majorty are bible thumping or QQing..

anyway.. to QQ about nudity must be very harsh for you.. i mean here you are...having to get naked in the shower.. and see your self... or perhaps your not a basement dweller and maybe have a gf/wife..mistress who knows... and you see them naked....

oh my cant have that...

 

honestly all these prudish QQing biggots are really annoying.. if people want to see people naked... they will... if they are naked in a video game O_O so what.. you can get mods for games like The Sims that make your pixals naked... why should MO be any diffrent??? i have no problem with nudies in a game tho it has to be done tastefully... nothing worse then seeing hentai style nude chicks...

size 10 waist... size 10 hips... size 9000 bust... >> i mean honestly... as long as its done tastefully and not just throwin like some cheap porno... there shouldnt be a problem people will abuse the game anyway... look at WoW people have sex in that and its got 0 nudity.. lmao

 

^ if the above offends you great.. if you agree or disagree.. great... honestly its my opionon and so nothing else really matters.. more power to the OP if s/he doesnt want to play a game with possible nudity their call.. shouldnt stop others or affect game play if a person is nude or not..

There was no bible thumping in this thread. Had you bothered to read. Perhaps a little historical misconception, but no bible thumping. There was also little QQ'ing. So I guess that makes you the ignorant bigot. Aye?

Idiot.

Originally posted by Knightcry

Dalevi1, I do love those that think Christians just sprung out of no where. They tend to forget that they were Jews before Christ. There was a time before Him as well. Adam and Eve were neither, worship and religon started later. 

 

I'm not what most would call "holy" but I do tend to read to learn what the truth is.

And...it has nothing to do with nudity in a video game. Yes, Judaism before Christ, Issac and Abraham before both, Polytheism vs. Monotheism before them. The Adam and Eve fairy-tale aside, worship as you state started in the most ancient of organized civilizations, Near-East or Middle-East as Iraq, Iran, Syria, and as far to India is referenced to in modern historical academia. You are right, worship started long before "him"...I respond to that with Duh, Really?

Modesty did not start with Christ. But as I understand you get that.

Back to the nude avatars...

Originally posted by Xondar123

Originally posted by Blurr

Originally posted by Xondar123

Wow, way too long to care about. I'll summarize: Cash shops = good. Stop whining you little babies. Sandbox game = bad. Themepark game = good.

First of all, anything you say will never excuse cash shops in a game I have to pay monthly to play. I don't think you understand the concept of paying once for a product and then never having to pay for it again, but if you are willing to be foolish with your money, then so be it. Just don't thrust your poor buying habits on the rest of us.

Second, I think the perfect MMO would be a hybrid sandbox and themepark game. I want this game to be a full out Star Trek simulator because when I watch the show the game is based on I sometimes imagine myself as a citizen of that universe. However, I also would like to see a robust quest system and an engaging storyline, and if the developers provide tools like some sort of quest tracker or an instant travel system to help players through my massive and realistic game universe, so be it.

 

So you don't buy expansions then either? That's paying again even though you're paying a monthly fee. But that's terrible, right?

Also, being an armchair developer is nice. Maybe the next guy wants only a sandbox with no quests. I'm sure if you raised a hundred million dollars, you could have your perfect Star Trek MMO. Until then, Cryptic has the license and the money, so we get what they give us. Perhaps you should wait and actually play the game before you determine that it's evil. Novel concept that.

 

Expansions aren't even in the same realm as cash shops. First of all, if a development house made 50 paid expansions for their games, but never released any free content, then I would not buy. As it stands now, MMO developers typically offer large updates including new zones, quests, dungeons, even skills and classes for free. Expansions tend to be very large, comprehensive and can sometimes equal the original game in content and scope. Comparing them to a cash shop is ludicrous and I know you know that. Stop being so obtuse.

The thing about quests and stuff of that nature is that they can easily be ignored and never played if players don't want to touch them. I can play EVE and never complete one single quest. Your point is completely invalid. Second, Star Trek is a huge IP. It has seeped into our very culture. Any game company that skimps on throwing plenty of resources and time at this project is a damn stupid company of the worst sort. Compare Star Trek Online with Star Wars: The Old Republic. Bioware has a huge development team working on that game (over 20 writers alone they've said,) The game has been in development for ovber 4 years now and it is expected to top out at five years, and they have two development studios working on it (Bioware Austin and Bioware Edmonton.) What does STO have going for it? A reused ancient game engine, a two year development cycle, and far fewer resources expended.

I've read all the developer interviews for this game, I've perused the website, read the "Path to 2409s," the "Ships of the Lines," watched all the trailers and in-game videos, I've even watched the leaked beta footage all the way through. This game is going to be a themepark MMO of the very worst sort. You can't even visit anywhere in the Solar System except for Earth (forget about Utopia Planetia Fleet Yards or Jupiter Station being in this game.) It's even worse than WoW because at least WoWE has a large contiguous game world. If Cryptic made WoW you'd have a loading screen between Northshire and Stormwind and you'd never be able to wander around in the rest of Elwynn Forest.

The developers making this game have no imagination, no regard for the universe they are working with, little resources, and very little time. This game will be a linear themepark game of the worst sort, and I find it sad that you're defending sloppy development like this when this IP deserves far, far more.

I agree with every word. Cryptic should have let this game, in it's current state, die. They purchased the IP, and that should have been enough to start over. They purchased it from the same guys who failed to launch Gods & Heroes, which was ripe for subscribers at the time. G&H was there premier game, yet it was incomplete enough for them to pull the plug. STO was secondary at the time.

Personally, I do not want to Atlantica my ship crew. I do not want to be forced to fire or retreat at every destination (queue Mass Effect, but worse). I do not want to group up with another vessel on land, and be expected to control 3 npcs while he controls 3 npc's ad infinum.

I am, for the first time, calling bullS#@t...I think we deserved more.

Originally posted by comerb

Originally posted by buegur

"I am very sad for the direction of STO. Of course I've never played it, but lately, seeing videos, reading comments, etc, I'm not sute I want to. Had such high hopes for this...'

 

Remember no one has actually played the game so everyone is just speculating.  Plus basing your hopes/fears on this sites comments is counter productive as there wasn't a single game released that didn't get blasted by the critics here.  This is a hard core bunch that no game will ever be good enough at release and it doesn't help they/we all have different ideas what should be included into a game.

 

 

Fraid thats incorrect killer.  People just can't confirm that they are in the beta.

Anywho, Cryptic is the wrong company to develop a game like Startrek.  

Their games are shallow, their writing and storytelling is cartoonish and uninspired, and their  gameplay is completely action oriented with no depth.  Now there is nothing wrong with that, because those types of games can be fun... CO is fun imo for what it is.

The Star Trek franchise demands a far more serious in depth gaming experience, it demands RvR combat on large scales... multiple methods of advancement, multiple methods of gameplay, incredibly deep and thought provoking storytelling, a very deep skill system, a thought provoking combat system... etc etc.

Cryptik will not be delivering a game that makes Star Trek fans satisfied.  They will lean on the reputation of the IP and produce a shallow and ultimately boring MMO that will never evolve into anything special.

Suprisingly enough if I could have picked a developer for the franchise I think it would be the Mythic team.  Although they aren't exactly in people's good graces these days.

Actually, I think CPP might be able to pull it off a little bit better. Unfortunately, they already have their game. I am not going to overemphasize the Perpetual influence on this game. Cryptic was just dumb enough to buy it thinking it might work out. Honestly. This works out to little other than Atlantica in Space.

I am still awaiting Pigs in Space. It would be a better concept.

Originally posted by Tardcore

Originally posted by Cyborg99

Why make a thread about it, just leave already.......

Probably because while he is disgusted with current MMOs  right now, he hopes they will eventually go back to being something fun to do.

 

I also assume he came here to a game board to put forth an idea and have other people respond with their ideas, reflect on those other individual's ideas, and see how they merge and/or differ with his own ideas. Its called having an intelligent discussion. You should try it some time.

He tried, the OP over-reacted. It's called an intelligent discussion. You should try it sometime.

Originally posted by KingGator

Originally posted by Cyborg99

The industry shouldn't have to adapt to the minority (you) because your not worth thier time (money) so I think you have two options.

1. Find a game the best suits you. It's not going to be perfect but if you enjoy it then thats good.

2. Stop gaming.

I'm sorry to say but it's simple as that. I hope you find a game that you like but it's extremely rare to find your dream. That game for me is Oblivion: TES and I'm still playing it and loving it.

Best of luck to you.

 

LOL was this for me? If so why even bother to post that. I wasn't asking someone to develope my perfect game. I was asking what games might be in developement I might like. Also, i would probably represent a large enough minority that we are financially significant.  So, your brilliant piece of advice in point 1, that's what I am doing now smart guy. The stupidity of your statement in point 1 is only outdone by the stupidity of point 2.

Basically, your post wasn't relevant to anything I asked, not did I complain about anything, so what was your point? That you're an internet tough guy, or one of those annoying preachy personality people? Seriously, piss off...................

 

Best of luck to you.

There was nothing offesive about his statement, "tough guy".

You are easily offended. Really, his post, was kinda logical.

Originally posted by TUX426

Originally posted by ArcAngel3

Responding to this comment: "Originally posted by kb056: Personally, I loved being a "moisture farmer", hell, I made my first million creds milking Pickets on Dantoine."

Exactly.  If you ask SWG players what one of the best features was, ever; probably many would say, "The skill system."  Even the guy who created the NGE said it was a big mistake to flush that down the toilet, and yet people still quote NGE press releases as a valid source of insight about SWG. 

Here's the quote from MMORPG.com staffer btw: "If the main Star Wars Galaxies complaint was "I wanted to be Luke or Han running around killing bad guys, not Uncle Owen farming moisture," they seem to have taken it to heart and all the classes we've seen seem to map to recognizable figures from the movies."

With respect, I don't think actual players of the game saw this as the main complaint.  I think this comes from some very bad marketting research conducted by LucasArts or SOE.  The very marketting research that suggested NGE was a good idea.

This is my take on the situation at any rate.  I'd like to hear what other actual players of SWG think.

 

I could not agree more, nor could I have said it so well. Great post ArcAngel3.

Yeah, great post...the point being...I never, *ever* played a moisture farmer. I hated the crafting side of swg (tried as a doctor and just found better stuff was available on the market).

So, this was a reason to move to the NGE, accept...The crafters were the *leaders* of our great imperial guild. The crafters knew how to track the Hero of Tatooine badge and ring...The crafters led us through the Death Watch Bunker, the moisture farmers...

Good times...

Originally posted by Ragnaven

As far as I am concerned SWG failed cause the nerf bat running rampant while the economy went to hell. If you weren't farming something to make credits then you were never going to buy anything cause missions just didn't pay enough for them to be worth while as a money making function. The constant we will nerf everything so you don't see the bugs got out of hand as well, it took more than 3 months for nge but it was pretty much not the same swg by the third month

No. It wasn't. The NGE was still in full effect as of it's launch three months later. A few months after that you got your Jedi and BH expertise, *several* months after that you got a few others...

I hate to tell you this, they didnt even acknowledge that all weapons did the same damage given level until the February following the NGE. So, three months and it was the "same swg"!?

You played right?
 

Originally posted by FikusOfAhazi

Im pretty sure Smed said it on the O-boards, and Nancy McInrinse said it to the NY friggin times. I wanna say ol Julio said it as well.

www.nytimes.com/2005/12/10/arts/10star.html

Owned.

 

For Sony and LucasArts, the idea has been to make the game more "Star Wars-like," tying it more explicitly to the films.

"We really just needed to make the game a lot more accessible to a much broader player base," said Nancy MacIntyre, the game's senior director at LucasArts. "There was lots of reading, much too much, in the game. There was a lot of wandering around learning about different abilities. We really needed to give people the experience of being Han Solo or Luke Skywalker rather than being Uncle Owen, the moisture farmer. We wanted more instant gratification: kill, get treasure, repeat. We needed to give people more of an opportunity to be a part of what they have seen in the movies rather than something they had created themselves."

 

That quote is as depressing now as it was when she said it.

Good post Sovrath.