Originally posted by blythega

 EvE Online has recently announced they are doing a similar thing. It looks like FE may beat EvE to the punch!

Another reason I am glad I purchased FE. Keep up the great work guys!

There already is an App out there for EVE and the IPhone.

capsuleer.evesuite.com/

Originally posted by xpiher

Originally posted by thinktank001

Originally posted by xpiher

EvE is open FFA PvP...

 

From what I understand that is only true in null sec.   An attacker will be able to destroy your ship in high-sec, but they will also lose their ships from patrols.  This essentially allows players to play PvP free, and from recent threads it seems roughly 1/2 the population does just that.

 

There is only 1 true safe zone in EvE and thats right near stations. All other sectors of space the police of the game take longer and longer to get to until you are in 0.0 (null)

fail

Check this out.

forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php

Getting out of sync indeed seems to be a problem in this case lol that`s really sad. Amateurs indeed.

Originally posted by ChinaCat

Originally posted by Earthgirl

Originally posted by Prem

 Dana

I hope your reviewer does not do the typical "kill some goblins, farm some wood for the clan" thing...

Instead what would be really cool imho, would be if he managed to participate in what only bloggers like Paragus (http://www.mmorpg.com/blogs/Paragus1/042009/3666_Darkfall-Warships) have covered so far.. that is city sieges, clan politics,  political backstabbing, naval combat... etc.

Also "theMercs" clan have just managed to build the largest warship in game and they were recruiting people to man those cannons.. would be cool if your guy somehow managed to join them and review how it is to blow up a coastal city :P

 

Not sure if a staged review would be the way to go about it, could open up a whole new can of worms,  just a thought.

 

No one was suggesting a "staged review".  What was suggested is a review from a person who actually experiences aspects of the game not one reviewer of a recognized "fan site" has had the time to do.    You simply can't give DFO a fair review without experiencing it, and that's all that is being suggested.      For all we know the review may say shooting cannons at players, ships and cities isn't fun, or doesn't work; or blowing up or building cities isn't fun or doesn't work, or whatever.    He/she may say cooperating with a guild or alliance is not fun and prefers a more solo friendly game.    Point is merely that a reviewer "experience" the whole game to the extent possible, as those of us playing it are.

-CC

I write in green therefore i am important!

Ok i keep this short for you because you are not the first smartass here with these stupid comparisons.

Starvault is listed on the stock market www.starvault.se (you can read their financial reports there in case you are so paranoid), is completely loan free, invested at least one million dollars into an Unreal Engine license, has EPIC Games(!) and EPIC Games China as partners, has transparency in terms of business, attended to the GC08, is not owned by some unknown corp lurking in the shadows...etc etc i leave the thinking to you.

Mourning...Dark&Light...lmao

I followed both and i closely follow MO...sorry dude..WORLDS APART!

Now this is not a guarantee for success but as close as we can get at the moment and that is enough for me.

oh btw 2/10.

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Genleo

Starvault does not have the manpower to produce a full fantasy world MMO within the time period slated.  They most likely will not have this game out by the end of the year, and if it is you can expect another darkfail or AOC.

 

Why would anyone trust a company with no reputation?? why give them 75 dollars or more...  They can't even get their page updated

 

this company has never made a game before...so chances are this will be their first mistake.  Maybe in the future they will produce better games, but for now you are just paying so they can get money and make a real game.

 

 

 

this is going to sound odd coming from a Darkfall fan like myself but I got to say for the record what you say is crazy talk.

Small companies CAN make MMO's and in fact in some cases make them even better. I am sorry but EQ2/WOW formula is pretty basic and not hard to make better as long as the bulk of your audience is over the age of 12

The MO community is still disgusting and I wouldnt play it if you paid me but on this I got to defend.

 

That is quite a statement coming from a DF player and rabid fanboy who proved more than once to be a complete douche on the DF forums LOL. And nobody will pay you to play MO because nobody wants you there sorry pal.

Originally posted by fldash

 

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Originally posted by The_Korrigan
More than Tasos ever said during 6 months after RELEASE of their game ;)

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You really like being on your knees for the MO devs don't you?

Very amusing...coming from someone i just saw doing deep brown nosing on a dev @ MO IRC for information. Shouldn`t use the same nickname everywhere i guess!

I would rather pay money to a fresh company with new ideas than some behemoth like EA who maybe charges 20 bucks less but feeds people with the same crap for years. I feel much more ripped of by big companies like EA and SOE because they would actually have the budget to make great games. Yet they charge standard prices and only deliver mainstream hand-holding goo with a complete lack of creativity.

And to those who constantly yell SCAM&FRAUD. Most people would have never preordered MO if it wouldn`t be for EPIC Games supporting them with net code and advice. EPIC Games China is also involved with providing the Atlas Extension for the Unreal Engine to make it truly MMO capable. SV also bought licensing for the Unreal Engine which is easily up to 1 million dollars per license..SV is listed on the Stock Market too. You don`t do such things and go into the stock market if you plan a scam....that would be plain stupid. CEO Henrik Nystrom himself stated on IRC today that SV is completely loan free...pretty good for a newcomer.

Examples like DF, Dark&Light, etc. are horrible because those had no business transparency at all and had no well established partners whatsoever...just look at Aventurine and their shady NA double billing shit. A new company with a strong established partner supporting them is trustworthy imo and deserves my investment. No need to throw money at greedy multi-million dollar corps or shady Tasos in my eyes.

Originally posted by khameleon

Originally posted by FaTKaT

am i getting this right you pay to beta test there?

 

Yes if you pay now, you will be testing a game in ALPHA. They have not even finished building the combat system.... let alone advanced features to cal it beta.

You are paying for the game, and will get the game with this money as well, but it will not be a fully functional game for over a year, anyone who thinks otherwise can look at Age of Conan, a game with tons more developers, tons more money and it took them a year just to get their game out of beta and that was almost finished at launch.

 

basically you are paying to fund the developers to finish the game...

 

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by bobtheblob

Do people like Darth realise that Kieron is one of  Englands highest achieving writer with regards to Pc gaming ? If all they can come up with is that he missed a few small things, and that makes his review worthless, show that some people are really clutchin at straws.

 

Gillen has worked for a lengthy list of publications, including PC Gamer UK, The Escapist, Amiga Power, Wired, The Guardian newspaper (where he wrote the first long-form videogame review in a mainstream newspaper[1]), Edge, Games Developer, Develop, MCV, Gamesmaster and PC Format, among others.

On the web, Gillen is a founder and major contributor to the PC gaming site Rock, Paper, Shotgun and a games reviewer for Eurogamer.

He is notable for his manifesto[2] for New Games Journalism, more simply the model of new journalism applied to videogames journalism.

In 2000, Gillen became the first-ever videogames journalist to receive an award from the Periodical Publishers Association, for New Specialist Consumer Journalist.[3]

Gillen has also been invited as a guest speaker at games-industry conferences.[4] [5]

 

Just a quote from his wiki page showing some of the stuff he has done. This guy knows what he is doing, and no amout of childish moaning about minor details and insulting him is going to change that fact.

 

These guys knows what he is doing..during game downtime..thats for sure lol

Also he in 20 hours he failed to notice the sheath / unsheath indication and didn't passed that retarded test but like the biggest noob tried to swing a sword that wasn't equiped lol

He may be a champion of words but a big DarkFall looser on Agon's battlefield. Inable to adapt to a new challenge, too close minded for something different. Darkfall showed him his limits, owned him , urged him to make factual wrong statements.

 

I print that out and put it on my toilet wall in case i can`t poop in the morning.

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by Hotjazz

Originally posted by daarco

"Everyone i know used loot macro because its a flawed loot system in Darkfall"

Thats a pretty lame excuse. People use loot macros in every MMO. It have nothing to do with the loot system. Its about lazy people who dont have any real interest in the game they are playing! And so they cheat.

 

Come on, everybody know Darkfalls GUI sucks donkey ass and that's not a part of the game you need to defend. What's up with the stupid weapon maneuver,  armed - half armed - unarmed . Why couldn't they just have armed - unarmed. I bet some people would defend a GUI you had to use your forehead to fire an arrow. Don't get me started on the chat system. When someone tries to talk to me ingame, I never notice. The hotbar system is so bad I bought logitech G13 Advanced gameboard.

 

The GUI is..what do we fanboi call it... weird, different, not themepark, you'll get used to it after a few days.

 

The looting part is fine.

 

 

 

DarkFall    : armed  - sheathed / unsheathed - unarmed

=

other games : armed - munition loaded / unloaded / reloaded - unarmed

i lost a few IQ points reading this

Originally posted by Evasia

Darkfall has improved alot im playing now for almost 5 months and still love it its a GREAT game!

But you need to like FULL LOOT FREE FOR ALL PVP plus a steeb learning curve and invest alot of time in developing your character if you want it all instant and with guidance in ezmode go play MO or one of those THEMEPARK games becouse then Darkfall is not for you.

Darkfall a MUST HAVE for all hardcore pvpers!

uninformed troll is uninformed

I even looked something up for you...see it as a little pacifier for your ramblings and a little start on your way to self-inform yourself. On another note if you have questions to the devs just post them in the "Answer your questions" subforum there eh?!

www.mortalonline.com/forums/4886-few-questions-classes-deva-full-loot-housing.html#post107005

Why the fuck don`t you just go to the official forums for once and look up some of the dev replies. This issue has been debated to no end there and they already stated that if you fight naked you will be a very very easy kill. They are not THAT stupid you know...you ramble here all the time and mostly about stuff you are simply uninformed about.

 And people in DF didn`t fight naked because they were afraid of losing stuff....they did it because it made no big difference at all while removing their own risk from the game. It`s simply fucked up balancing...blame AV.

Originally posted by Vyeth

Originally posted by Fariic

Originally posted by Vyeth

everyone keeps agruing about the boxes... Box this box that.. That is not the case.. it costs 5 bucks at game stop to preorder AND get a beta code for AION... 5 stinkin lousy dollars.. 5 bucks to try the game, help test and blah blah, decide its not what you wanted? go back to gamestop and get your money back... This is about paying full + price for an unfinished product that you have no idea what will be in the final retail and its condition. Its not the same..

No one wants to admit that what they have done is gambled 75 dollars on pictures and videos.. if its something you dont like, too bad, enjoy your metal box and art..

 

 

Everytime I go out and buy a game for my 360 for 55-60 dollars I take a gamble.
Any PC game I buy is a gamble.
Any game I buy is a gamble.

 

There is something called a free demo.. Most if not all games have them, 360, PC etc.. Check out fileplanet sometime for the latest demo's, or even STEAM.. XBox live has em. This game is a true gamble..

LOL you do know that there is no such thing as a "free demo" in the MMO genre don`t you? There is rarely even a trial right after release....most of the time you have to wait for at least six months. xbox360 and single player pc games are not really in the same boat...

Oh and btw...you know what a movie trailer is? They all look good but easily half of them turn out to be crap. same goes for game demos. Mostly you see the best parts of the game and when you buy it it turns out to be a hollow shell and they lured you in.

Bad analogy there m8.

Originally posted by Rajen

 Mortal is just an Oblivion rip off... they really didn't have ot finish or make anything they just stole the whole game.

 

Honestly why would you pay to play Oblivion now when you didn't have to years ago.

so much lol...it hurts! +1 internets for the dumbest post of the week.

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by DarkPony

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Pocahinha

I work..i earn money..i do whatever i want with it, so i pre ordered MO..as a bonus i can test the game, if i dont like it its easy to sell the box on ebay for more money that the one i spend...

So WTF are these guys doing on MO foruns whining?if you dont want / or dont like the game just stay away from the forums...or else i will think you are a bunch of frustrated people that love the game but have some kind of brain tumor that makes you bash something that you love...lol

So take it easy...if the game sucks you will be the first to know..and dont be worried about the money i payed for the LE  afterall...its MY MONEY...

Like here is an exemple...AOC..its the most expensive game ever...any amount of money you pay for it its already too mutch...the game is that bad...but thats just my opinion...and im not going on the AOC forums saying that...if i dont like it i dont even talk about it...only if i like something i will post and talk about...

 

You know there is a thing called "free speech". And even though it is not completely free on a public forum like this then, so far, it is still allowed to say that pre-ordering a limited, boxed edition MMORPG that cost aprox $95 including taxes and shipping (that is what I paid) is not expensive.

And as for YOU paying it. Why would you think anyone would care? Throw down your money in a lake for all I care. The discussion is wether the price is justified for an MMORPG that is most likely not released until christmas when the normal downloadable edition will be very reasonable priced.

 

Fixed that.

 

Oh thank you for bein so gracious as to change other peoples opinion so that they match that of your own.

Any proof or indication that the normal boxed version is a limited edition?

In Sweden (you know, same country as Starvault resides in) I can buy ANY PC game for 4-500 SEK including box, taxes and shipping. As comparison I paid about 800 SEK for MO. You do the math.

Where is the download edition? How can I buy it? I cant you say because they are not available and is only the devs say they will be reasonably priced. How stupid of me not to take the words of the dev of said game as dogma. Not like game developers have ever stretched the truth or anything...

Oh boy...if you buy a game in a store the box gets replaced. So there are always new boxes hence there is no limit theoretically. MO offers only 10k boxes and that`s it. They will most likely never offer boxed versions again so you could call that limited. How you interpret that is your problem but not really a matter of debate i guess. And "ANY PC GAME" in the store comes in a crappy paper box you just throw away.

And why do you still ramble on about the DD? People explained it multiple times to you already...or how about informing yourself? The DD will be available on Monday in the same store you already preordered the box.

Now if there is something to ramble about please do it on Monday.

Originally posted by rlmccoy1987

Originally posted by rav3n2

Originally posted by rlmccoy1987

Originally posted by rav3n2

Originally posted by rlmccoy1987

Originally posted by hail2dathief

Ok here's a couple of things to ponder.  SV is an indie company that has a niche market and therefore don't have a sweatshop in China somwhere who will box and ship their games at a huge discount, i.e. EA, Blizz.  The boxes are all Metal Embossed boxes and hince even the reg. version would be considered an LE for most games. 

 

Lets look at how much more you are really paying for a boxed version compared to an xbox360 game at a store.  Xbox 360 game will cost you 60$ US at any store i have been to unless it's used.  Boxed version for MO was 75$ US and that included shipping and a metal emossed box.  Shipping was around 7-10$, so in reality you are only paying 5-8$ more than a 360 game.  I mean hell look at the LE edition of Halo2, it was like 115$ to buy and i got my LE for 98$.

 

All i am saying is it's not really that expensive when you look at the details.  Either you think it's worth it to buy and get into beta or you don't and you get the DD which is going to be cheaper than DF. 

 

This thread cracks me up, mostly since the title is way off, only thing he got right was 75$ for normal boxed.  It's 98$ for LE retard and 14.25$ a month and it's called loot bag version.

 

Either way, buy it or don't, that's your decision but i'll be in game on Mon. enjoying myself.  I mean seriously complaining about the price, i spend that much on pointless shit like drinking and dinner all the fucking time.  At least after purchasing this i won't have a massive hangover the next morning.

 

 

 

This is NOT a Xbox 360 game... computer games are ALWAYS $10 cheaper than the xbox 360...

 

PC = $49.99

Xbox 360 = $59.99

 

Don't try and compare the two as computer games in general are easier to distribute because they are not on encoded dvds / blu-ray like consoles...  it cost them more money to make the disk...

 

Care to elaborate why does it cost more to make a DVD/Blue-ray for consoles rather than for the PC, as a game developer I am actually quite intrigued? The only valid point would be the PSP since Sony does not authorize anyone except them to create the MDs and theya re quite expensive but we are not talking about PSP so please care to elaborate.

 

Normal PC games come on regular dvds.  Console games come on different types, encoded for their purposes.  A Xbox 360 dvd disk cost more than a regular disk...

 

All I am saying is, you can't compare PC game prices with console prices as the dvd used to burn the image to the disk cost more money...   So people can't say that $75 for MO is just like buying a console game thats around $60....

 

 

 

So your saying for them to run the same encryption program on the software to burn and then just make 1million copies of it like you would on a normal DVD makes it alot more expensive? Or are you saying that the disk itself is actually different that Microsoft invented a new type of DVD (couldnt be called dvd since there is a patent on this) ?

 

The dvd the xbox 360 uses is a dual-layer dvd (used with xbox 360 so it can read to play the games)  The ps3 uses blu-ray

 

I am talking about the dvd itself, not the encryption software it uses. 

 

 

 

Normal DVDs are cheaper than the dual-layer and the blu-ray, making the game a cheaper price.

lol do you actually know that mega-corps like Sony and Microsoft have their own DVD duplication factories? Hell Sony even produces blank DVDs themselves! They literally poop out copies and i am pretty sure it costs them almost nothing in comparison to a single 10k duplication run.

Yet their Games are still more expensive?! Hmmmm...your logic intrigues me. Maybe THEY ARE in fact overpriced!

And WTF has the content of the disc (encryption?) to do with the actual disc price?? It does not matter if you slap a movie or a game on a DVD it is both Data and the disc will always be at the same price no matter what.. Storage Size is the only factor here. L2DVDMaster.

hell no!

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by rav3n2

Originally posted by zymurgeist

If a company does something stupid and people point out that it's stupid that's not whining. So you can stop whining about people who aren't whining. Public betas are a chance to generate some free buzz. Trying to cash in on it only puishes away the people you should be courting in hopes of generating that buzz. It's counterproductive. Yes it's stupid when any company does it so "AoC did it" is no excuse. Their collectors editions could be bought for $5.00 each on E-Bay for months after launch.

 

See this is why i am saying people are not reading any info before posting, the developers already stated (before preorder, purchase whatever you wanna call it) that beta in MO wont be your standard free-preview with all features that happen in other games, it will be proper testing and polishing of features , which goes back to my point people need to read all of the information that is layed out.

 

Its not counterproductive its exactly what they said they were planning to do and exactly what they said it was going to happen.

Them being honest about it upfront does not make it not counterproductive as I feel, and probably many others, that charging for beta testing (or whatever kind of testing you want it to be called) is not a good way of doing bussiness. It is showing people that:

* They want your money before the game is finished

Which probably means that:

* They are low on money

Which is not a good omen for the final game as that could mean that there will be alot of missing features at launch. Actually there will be as they have said it themselves.

So when all is said and done this is basically paying (alot) of money so that they can finish the game for release. I decided that I am willing to do that but that doesnt take away the fact that this is not a good sign.

However, things could be worse, and this could also mean that they are not a serious game developer and just want to make a quick buck and then bolt (like Mourning, Dark And Light and arguably Darkfail). I personally dont think so but I cannot rule it out.

So anyway you wanna cut it, this "paying months before release" is not a good sign.

If you want to make a "quick buck" you don`t buy a license for the Unreal Engine which easily goes up to a million dollars. I also highly doubt that EPIC Games would be personally involved into MO if they would not be sure what SV is up to. Starvault is also listed on the stock market www.starvault.se/index.php . Not a good idea to go there if you plan to pull out eh? When it comes to business transparency SV is lightyears ahead of DF and D&L. Bringing those up as comparisons in business terms is quite a good joke.

And please spare us your "Omens" and Predictions already...it is getting tiresome. And you still do not get it that you do not pay for Beta am i right? You argue here since DAYS is guess..constantly complaining about the same points. And judging from your posts you are pretty paranoid....lots of "ifs", "when", "probably", "should" in your posts...

Whatever dude..but seriously keep your interpretations of things to yourself.