My question is why shouldn't it be not hardcore? Considering a good percentage of MMOs cater to the casual/ I hate PVP carebear types. We get what we finally want they can go play everything else....

I approve of this thread..... Good short story ...

Im waiting for Star Trek

Originally posted by mackdawg19

The 10 million subscriber base includes Asia to which Warhammer has not yet been picked up. Therefore in reality, it won't happen. Warhammer will be a great game, and most likely take spot number 2. But unless it expands its horizons, it will fall short. And that's a fact! :P

How many of these 10 million subscribers are acutally real players and not gold farmers?

I certainly chuckled a few times reading the thread especially the bit where there is 100k people playing still 10k people playing sounds about right really considering all the multiple accounts from the same person.... guess most people do play with thierself in that game.....

If they fix the problem concerning the population issues by slapping an enhanced fee to transfer everything including resources... more people would quit from that slap in the face.  also a statement by Valara was made about a estimation of how many people are left playing SWG heres the link    forums.station.sony.com/swg/posts/list.m and the squabbling of people over exaggerating the numbers to 45 k subs which as everyone knows those people must be smoking crack cause if there was 45k to 150 k subs as some of those fanbois described in there wouldnt need to be a server merge...

Personally they should just shut 20 servers down open 5 new ones and put everyone there.. shut down the old ones savew some cash and fix the damn game... not the TCG

I voted other and the game I chose is EVE every time I play it reminds me of being in a Battlestar Galactica episode

If a Developer of a MMO that can create a FFA-PVP enviroment that can cater to both PVE and PVPers without crying at both end.. then by all means make one and have some sort of safety net or system that can be implimented that can actually punish people for needless killing (griefing & senseless killing, camping spawn points..) if you can do that I think these people will try a FFA-PVP type game. But noone in any game should just have a easy button added to thier keyboard or be able to walk thru the game with no consequences. And for one PVERs arent the only ones that craft items for PVPers either. Some players do all aspects of the game, like myself .. I never had to depend on anyone to make my armor, items, or anything related to crafting that I cant do myself....

I play games to enjoy all apsects of the game whether the mechanics are good or bad, I like PVP...more than so every type of MMO has PVP to some degree. Learning about your build template or your class is easier to do when its tested against a live human opponent. SWG one of the former MMOs I played most of the Heroic Instances where not finished first by PVERs either .. they was completed by PVPers .. people that work together as a team to accomlish a goal. I ran with both type of players PVPErs and PVERs .. problem I had with PVERs is that 75 percent of the time they didn't know what they was doing and trying to be helpful for people that have completed those instances giving them heads up on Vent .. they wouldnt listen and the group wipes cause a couple of knuckle heads couldn't take directions and follow orders... cause in the end I don't care who you are PVE or PVP ..everyone wants to win the shiny....

Carebears need to learn how to read before assuming cause a MMO has FFA PVP that it will mean certain doom for thier whiny sissy hold my hand selves. The new MMOs which will have this FFA feature in it are making certain systems and ensuring that in a FFA enviroment the carebears will not to have to be scared so much to come outsidfe thier glass house... get over it........read the game forums ...

Originally posted by unknown22

an mmo based on the alien series of movies would be cool. same with one based on the predator movies. but one based on the alien vs predator movies sounds like a ridiculous idea, just as ridiculous as the movies themselves, if not more so.

I find your baldness in your avatar soothing..... :P JK

If I was a dev studio wanting to make a Fallout MMO then it would have to be based on the first 2 and Tactics. But can somehow the 3rd one be incorporated into it somehow giving the lore or make it a sidenote if I ever happened to be in the DC area someohow the echo of another Vault Dweller was here? Could be a great challenge to make a MMO out of this gasme but the ideas and stories tied into this game and game mechanics would be interesting to see if ever made..

And who said PVE should be the main foucus of the game .... once again.. here is where the non combat PVER's and All Out Action Junkies seperate.... why cant you live in a world where both the elements of PVE & PVP connect. Not all PVPers are griefers or gankers and I dont complain when I get ganked by 2 or 3 people either in PVP and there have been times I just turned the tables on them and gave them a fight they didnt expect. PVP can be fun and it teaches you about your skills you trained in or if its level based the abilites you have leveled in that class as well.. PVP is about working as a team especially if faction is part of the equation. Contribuitng to your faction and to that community is important it builds character ,a reputation and knowing you can be relied upon when called to arms and help your fellow brothers or sisters in battle against the enemy and it builds friendships either within your faction or the enemy. PVP isnt as bad as you think it is there are a few bad apples out there but they get dealt with and shunned by the community (mainly excluded by gorups for raids content or anything basically.. and if they PVP and thier own faction doesnt like them they dont get any help from anyone else when they get attacked..) There are ways to deal with unruly players you just have to know how to do it within the game mechanics and with reason..

The problem is that will the devs do?.

Make it a sandbox game with no classes and purely skillbased.

PVP will it be real PVP where risk=reward? Or a carebear themepark for people to decorate thier homes with shinies and trinkets with no contribution to the nuclear wasteland that we call Earth, with very limited PVP or restrictive PVP thats confined to only a few places on the Earth?

Is it going to have a 100% crafting system or will it be loot based economy where gold farmers and come in and frak the economy up ..

Will loot items like weapons, items ,or caps, be droppable off of NPCs like in the original titles (where if you have a good enough skill to use something,pick it up off a dead corpse and voila a gatling laser gun!!!)

Will all the little features that made Fallout a great series like becoming a boxing champion or a porn star, or even a child killer made it interesting each time you played it through.. will it make it in there? What about the alignment system? Good & Evil?

Who knows what these people may or may not have in store for us. But with all the suggestions for a potentially soild game and a lesser used genre. A breath of fresh air could be made with a title like this.. instead of the same ol, same ol, orks and dwarves and elves and magic...........

Only thing that SWG did was make it  a breeding ground for carebears who's only concern is decorating thier houses , RPing thier one click Jedi, AFK Base Busts to get to General with no risk, and make it all about PVE content and no PVP content, which by the way is centered around the GCW which is the core part of the game and actual story line, but no look at my museum of items and shinies!!!!!! Lets Role-Play the Sith-Jedi war!!!!, when Jedi are supposed to be extinct in the time line.... And now $OE even made gambling fun with thier new card game at a chance of cool new shinies!!!! Buy now!!! At 3.99$ per pack or 9.99$ A Starter Pack!!! or 99.99$ a box of digital cards!!!!! $OE.. we promote gambling to children....

I suppose if Bethesda was willing to make it they could...they also announced they will be making a Fallout 4 as well ....

No classes all skill based sandbox MMO no level, no classes.........and if you look on the second page I have a thread open for a Fallout MMO anyway with my suggestions for how it should be set up or a opinion of how it should be set up

I always thought jumping in most MMO's was kinda pointless....

no just call it Fallout.....no World of titles please......and it would never dare to be like WOW ... and also it was sort of a quasi-skill based game anyway..one main story to the game for a short period and you was on your own to explore and do content that way...not making you kill x of this, or bring me 10 of that crap...

I prefer the action oriented MMO that have a lively community and if the game is centered around a conflict then there should be conflict.. not a bunch of people RPing a war in the safetiness of there homes and towns .. make them join that war and risk your life , help your faction if you join one. Dont be a nub and be too scared to fight and lose stuff if you happen to die. Christ , I never thought I would say it ever on these forums but MMO players a good majority of them are nothing but a bunch of little girls these days... too bothered to be involved in the community , too bothered to be attacked by another player, rather just sit safely and grind thousands of NPCs for trinkets and shineys and never really using them , solo playing in MMOs? . Go back to the single player games and console RPG your gamestyle is that way...----------------->>>>>>

Acutally there is a Aliens Online game I just remembered it was released back in 1998 google it....I think its still around...oh I just did the search on it and what do ya know Mythic did the game...