I had fun playing the bad guy for once and I oddly enjoyed the Airport massacre as well, however to the topic at hand games like this should be available to adults and only adults not 13yr kids the whole issue for years has always been about the children but parents are too stupid these days to look at the box they say do you want that Johnny? Ive seen it before at gamestores then they complain about the violence , sexual content, etc its not the developers , governments fault its your fault for failing to be a responsible parent and say no you cant have it. Dont ruin it for the rest of us that have hair on our balls.....

Originally posted by Reklaw

Originally posted by emperorwings

There atleast 1000 people on battlenet playing WC1: orcs and humans and thats ancient. Blizzard just makes good games that don't ever die. Haven't played through any WoWs expansions but spent alot of time getting T3 back when the level cap was 60. They got T10 these days. There is other good games out there but once you played WoW you can't really get into anything else.

 

There are so many older games that people still play in all sorts of genre's, even games that some people feel might be bad games.

I also played WoW off/on for near a total time of a year, bought BC, played it for 3 day's and that was for me the end of me playing WOW, due to my niche MMORPG playstyle, WoW couldn't really satisfied my MMORPG needs, to me it was far to limited in HOW I like to play MMORPG's, still doesn't make WoW a bad games cause I know it's a great game, but from my perspective that's all it is a great game and for my playstyle I want a great MMORPG. Never ever been back to WoW since then, so to asume that when people have played WoW they can't really get into anything else, only tells us something about YOU and not so much about anyone else. Not saying you are wrong cause I am sure there are plenty of people that after WoW have not found a new game to enjoy. The same can be said by gamers from older games that simply can not get into this "new generation" of MMO's

It's all about what players want/need out of these games that make people have a certain look towards a company or it's developers.

 

With your mention of older gamers and how we cant get into any newer mmos cause their all the same thing just a little difference here and there, companies stopped making games with quality and long term goals to keep players subbing for years not 1-6 months, watered down gameplay, instance heavy, etc, etc . A lot of the older gamers feel like the industry is telling us to fuck off and were not important to them anymore. Why? Cause we expect a quality game , we like to play the game and have a attention span? We want a MMO not a MMOSPG? We want a world with a tight knit community and a smaller playerbase and not millions of sniveling , douchebags? I dont know what we did wrong to them but we were their loyal customers that subscribed for years now were a minority, a minority that was here in the beginning and pushed aside for people that only played the MMO with training wheels and the rest of the mass sheep. Oh well back to older games for the rest of us then at least those games hold our attention for more than a couple of weeks..

Originally posted by Anubisan

Video proof - www.youtube.com/watch

Enjoy!

Im not impressed with either of these games tbh until developers stop making MMO with training wheels and go back to thier roots and innovate upon those mechanics the MMO industry is pretty much dead to a lot of people. Not everyone wants to play noob MMOs out there you know.

Originally posted by chrisel

I would like a to play a new & good Sci-Fi MMO, but this game, judging by the screenshots, looks like a pile of junk. Seriously.

Am I the only one who think this? I am quite sure STO will be a major failure, as I can't imagine this game will appeal to anyone but the die hard fanbois of Star Trek.

Good luck to you all though. You really deserve it...

Im a Star Trek fan but the way they have taken this game I just cant bring myself to play another MMO on rails, plus with the RMT shop that makes me anticipate the game even less.... its being made for everyone but real Trek fans..

Originally posted by shamus252

Cant wait for this one to start dev, doesnt matter what company does it.

As long as it isnt a themepark MMO it will be fine.

Originally posted by Player_420

Wow the graphics and art style...... is ....... totally UNINSPIRED and BORING.

oh Bethesda...please win.....

You sir are a moron , and more than likely have never even played the original games and guess what the graphics werent that great during that era but the games were phenonomenal , more than likely this is not even a alpha screenshot, so shut ur yap go back to your console masturbation graphics. Id rather see the original creators of the IP create a MMO out of this game than Bethedsa anyday, perhaps we can see things again like being a porn star or a champion boxer or even a child killer again like the original Fallouts. Once again graphics do not make a game.

Pretty much every WOW, AION , AOC, WAR, SWTOR fanboi has annoyed me to no end.....

Wait 6 months- 1  year then come back and you will see what we meant...

Originally posted by talismen351

Originally posted by MephistoR

 

Here is something for all the MMO devs : Don't you have balls? Stop releasing fast-food MMOSHITs like WoW.

 

I think ya hit it there. I think WoW brought MMOs to a whole new level. Bringing the genre into the mainstream. But ya, problem is now that every MMO wants to be WoW...rather than trying to be their own game.

Look at Alganon, perfect example of a new MMO that rather than trying to be original follows and tries to be WoW. The claim they did this so that it would be easier for players to adapt to the a new game. Yet why would players need to adapt to basically play anpther WoW with a different title? If the players are sick of WoW and want to leave it for another MMO...why would they go at and play another MMO that runs, looks and plays exactly like WoW?

Seems the MMO devs feel that, it worked for WoW, so let's do the same thing. Where are the UO clones?

All WOW did was bring MMOs down and set them back for the next 10 years till we see the abomination of this game disappear then we will start seeing MMOs again.

Originally posted by Ginkeq

Dumbed down PvE system that gives gear to everyone who attempts it. 

  - This has been going on since the first expansion came out, and 1 man quests had better gear than 40 man naxx.  Then they started making the instances smaller & easier.

Fake PvP system for carebears

  - Fighting in fake zones, called Arenas or Battlegrounds.  PvP has no affect on your own server.  World PvP is dead and meaningless in WoW because of instances.

 

 

Isn't there enough threads like this and it belongs in the WOW forums not here :P but oh well I'll put my 2 cents in :Why WOW Sucks? It brought every noob and asshat from consoles to WOW, it makes me wish at times computers were still unaffordable to the poor..... perhaps we wouldn't have seen the decline of western civilization and pc gaming :O

Here's 1 billion dollars hire everyone you need and make us a real Star Trek MMO not a themepark but a simulator if 1 billion isnt enough to create a proper Star Trek experience then to all of you Star Trek fans I'm sorry... :P

Not everyone cares about modern , or popular MMOs, and for the OP make friends in these games or join a guild, these games can be soloable but you have to use your head, if not then well FFA PVP MMOs arent for you then. Don't condemn them cause you didnt think ...

Originally posted by Tanemund

I'm not sure "hate" is the right word.  Truthfully the game is pretty good.  I think what people "hate" about it is the blind loyalty that it engenders in so many who have never tried anything else in the MMO genre.  A times it seems like masses of people consume it simply because they've been told it's the best and they don't need to try anything else.

I always say WoW is like vanilla ice cream.  If you've never had ice cream before and someone hands you a cup of vanilla ice cream you're like "wow!  This stuff is great!"  Vanilla is that flavor that everyone can eat.  However some people have sampled other things and they've decided they prefer Rocky Road.  The trouble comes when someone says, "Hey, you've got to try this Rocky Road!  It's fantastic!" and the response they get is, "Why would anyone every want anything except vanilla, you rube?"

In the end it's like hating Microsoft, the big bad bully in the room that everyone resents, especially when everyone else who comes along tries to copy the bully by making more vanilla in an attempt to woo away the vanilla eating crowd.  People who like other flavors get to feeling like the selection is being limited due to the mass success of vanilla.

Now I want ice cream.

I have mint chocolate chip :P

Everytime I see this man I want to beat him with a sack of oranges......

Without gameplay you end up with games *cough* *cough*, AOC, WAR, Aion, and about 90% of most other MMOs on the market, as they have been trimmed and cut down and stripped of features that made a MMO a MMO all for the mighty dollar and the casual crowd that deems said features boring....and once again the excuse word "fun". All we've had for the last 5 years is pure garbage MMOs that their lifespan for a good majority of people is 6 months max per game. Maybe if they concentrated less on how much $$$ they were going to make and made quality , immersive , MMOs again, the game will sell itself. How about catering to everyone's playstyle instead of the masses and ignoring us supposed minority? Its easy to do, all it takes is some effort and innovation and a little bit of common sense to pull it off.

For some of us that have played MMOs for years now Pre-WOW era you remember MMOs had a more social aspect to it, grouping, open worlds, pvp, building your homes, crafting was the be all to the economy not shiny loot drops, role-playing, mini-games, gathering resources, playing music and dancing, and the list goes on and on most of these aspects of MMOs are disappearing to placate a more bigger and less patient and more instant gratification crowd these days, they find these aspects of a MMO boring or come to believe that they shouldnt exist at all, well the key is here to develop a MMO code all the stuff in that I have mention above and implement a feature or a mechanic to disable features of the game to your suiting for the people that like said mechanics could enable everything and play the game as it was meant to be and a extra bonus and still have that sense of achievement and more immersive  experience to the players that like old school MMOs, the point in being put the stuff in the MMO add the features that are slowly vanishing and give us the choice if we want to do it or not , appease all playstyles  and a polished game with all the bells and whistles and you have a successful game that everyone can play and bring this segerated community together again.

Originally posted by Solude

Originally posted by plaguess444

I can tell you Im not happy with the direction Cryptic is taking Star Trek Online.

Theyre going to have that shard mirrored instancing junk in this game like they have in Champions Online. Im sorry but thats just unacceptable to me. I currently play Fallen Earth, a wide open game with no instances and everyone on a single server. And this was developed by an indy company on a shoestring budget. If they can do it, why cant Cryptic make a real MMO ?

the best part of an mmo is the first m as in MASSIVE. Shard mirrored instances wasnt accepted in Age of Conan. Its a reason why Champions feels like a multiplayer game. And it wont work in STO either.

Make the game right or dont make it at all Cryptic. Nobody wants mirrored instancing except console players maybe

 

I actually quite like the single shard, multiple instance thing.  Saves the inevitable server merge, my server is dead thing.  Doesn't change how many people you see, just how many people you have access to.  FE can do it on one server because their subs are really low =P  But fighting in Canada with 100 other people is plenty full for my liking.  That there are 27 other 100 people instances going that I can jump to doesn't bug me.

That said STO is an IP MMO, meaning its not for you, its for them.  Trekkies are the goal, not MMO jumpers.  Trekkies will play this, trekkies will not jump ship to their nemisis StarWars the two don't co-exist for the trekkies.  Hell there are whole comedies based on this, where you been ;)

FYI I wish AoC, would just merge all servers into one PvE and one PvP and run the multiple instance thing but not looking like that will happen.

Unfortunately they arent  making this game for Trekkies they are making it for the widest appeal (casuals) I'm a Star Trek fan and from what I have seen and read I really dont have too high of hopes for this game too much "YOU CANT DO THIS" for the sake of alienating the same target audience that will leave the game and go to the next MMO they will ruin. Point being its a casual game just with a different genre and a big name IP that will not live up to its fullest potential cause of that audience they are going for and will go by the way that most MMOs have had for the last 5 years..

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by grandpagamer

There will be a lot of  trek fans in the game of course but I think many will try the game that are not huge fans of the trek universe. If its a great game trekkies and non trekkies alike will remain and play. If the game is not so good i would expect the majority of those that do remain will be the hard core trekkies.

Hardcore Trek fans will hate this game, because it isn't Trek.

I consider myself a pretty hardcore Trek fan and this isnt a Trek game by a long shot , lot of combat, no real sandbox element, read somewhere there might not even be crafting, no neutral faction, ground gameplay looks horrible, zoned consensual pvp? pfft, if you are all looking for a immersive Trek experience and a virtual world, I would look somewhere else. Better off taking donations off the Trek fans and create a real Trek MMO made for Trek fans not for mass appeal which is what they are going for here, considering a lot of people dont like Star Trek let alone they would play a game by the same name.

Originally posted by tro44_1

Originally posted by Lansid

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Lansid

 Well, it appears there are millions of people that exist that are angry at Blizzard and WoW for ruining their games. With that many people, it should be easy to protest to actual video game forums... you know, REALLY blow them up... with the above arguments about how WoW has ruined everything, and demand that they change/revert back to the old days. I mean... I think EQ is still running... Ultima Online is still going strong as well. Lineage I and II are still hopping about. City of Heroes/Villains is still hanging in there. Anarchy online and DDO went F2P... but it still has the same content and fun it did when it was P2P. FFS even Meridian 59 is still around.

The solution is simple. It'll be an expensive fight, but it should be worth it. Everyone who hates WoW, should sub/resub to their "bestest" games... Pick THREE of the games you want to make a comeback! Really, as a lot of people say 14.99 is a drop in a bucket. So with the millions of anti-WoW gamers out there... this would be a massive feat in retaliation against WoW. Just one month... two at most is all you people would need. Then blow up their forums about the changes needed in order to keep the new massive influx of gamers. As you know, one angry MMO player represents 1 million people in forums, especially if they post multiple times in the same thread! The devs. would listen and begin remaking the game to please the vocal minority.

Everyone has made very valid points on why WoW destroyed the future of MMORPG's. I am just curious on what the solutions to fix the current dilemma is from our "top men". I gave my idea, and it'd work. If you don't think so, fine... give me one that would.

 

I hope the above is sarcasm :))), but there is even a chance this guy means it.

Listen guy: have a look at the logged in people right now on mmorpg.com. I take a look right now ...102. Mostly it's around 200. (just a fyi, you probably didn't notice the "guest" number next to it... but nonetheless...)

If you even think this site represents ANYTHING meanignful in numbers in the real world of mmorpg players, you're stupid. Plain stupid. (with respect, my post was... as you guessed, sarcastic. it was the idealistic personal take of the naysayers believing they were the vocal majority, hence the "millions of people" bit. )

>Go visit some other places like massively.com etc, where there's already a complete different mentality vs WOW. or go to wow.com etc. (meh, I'll stick to just here... it's where I joined for when FFXI was soon to come out.)

People PLAY and PAY for WOW. Millions and millions of them... against the 0.000001% represented over here who utter their kiddies frustrated hate upon a ... game they simply played much and much too long. (personally I enjoyed WoW, though currently do not play it. Overall in comparison with games I've played dating back to UO when it was first released, it's one of the "best" experiences I've had as far as getting my moneys' worth. However I'm not a zealot. The game is just that, a game. When it stops being fun and becomes more "work" to play... that's when I take a break. Try something new. Experience more than just ONE video game for the rest of my life.)

Solutions? What solutions of playing those SHITTY, broken, non games that terrorised your RL in mummy's basement 7 years ago?*MUMMY?!?! HOW DID YOU KNOW I WAS RAISED BY UNDEAD?!?! WHO SENT YOUUUUU?!?!* (yes my unrealistic solution for the naysayers to re-up their subscriptions of their epic oldskool games. I fail to understand if those old games are so damned great, rather than buy the "WoW clones" what is preventing them from playing their games of perfection? Even if they didn't want to play them, I think they should still support their cause.)

:))) Go out and play some boardgames instead. (I used to take a break from MMO's... every Saturday night me and 5-6 other friends would play D&D... Then before BC, my uncle did a free trial of WoW, told his friend about it, and so on. There was no more Saturday night D&D. They all play WoW now... honestly. My uncle met AND married in RL his wife from WoW.)

I enjoy WOW and you need fresh air.

Yes it was in-depth sarcasm. I was role playing an angry butthurt MMO gamer drunk on cheap scotch. LOL, I didn't think my post would invoke such anger. 

Many people complain about WoW clones, and how WoW made baby jesus cry, violently destroyed their mama's insidey parts, and kicked puppies off of cliffs. Many of those same people yearn for the "good ol' days" and wish for games to come out that are as good as the ones they played "way back then". However this doesn't make since... they are sick of clones, but wish to have clones of the games that they played in the past... when the games they played in the past, for the majority, STILL EXIST! So just... sit down, relax and take a nitro pill. I'm not anti-WoW... but I'm not a zealot either.

 

I agree with this Man/Lady

People keep complaing about Clones, yet they want UO Clones and so forth.

And those original games, are still in play. So really, what is stopping you from going to those Games, and asking there Develepers to rush out More contants at a faster rate?

Just let the growing MMO population play the new style of MMORPG,s and leaving the old Hardcore players to play their old games. Both factions would be Happy

So ur saying hardcore players are not worthy of new MMOs for them? Maybe a lot of the growing MMO population circa WOW era needs to go back to consoles since they have no idea or the brainpower to comprehend what entails in a MMO and not a MMSPG.

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by Squal'Zell

Originally posted by Daffid011

Wow would not dominate the market if even a few other companies had done their jobs and created decent games.  That is the problem  At some point you have to place blame on those who have actually failed and not pass the buck to those who did their job well.  

 

How about this for a title:

Why have so many companies failed to compete with WoW? 

 

Try answering that question and I think your perspective might change.

 

because if i had to choose between the polished original and the attempted copy, i would choose the first option. the reason companies fail to compete with WoW is simply because they are unable to release a game that is (you can follow 2 roads)

1. As polished and complete as WoW

2. A brand new idea/concept that will attracts the masses

 

 

Why do we blame blizzard for other companies inability to release new game concepts or at least a game on the same level of quality as wow? 

When did we start blaming the faults of many companies on the success of one? 

 

Not blaming the sucess , blaming them for making MMOs so dumbed down to people that anything else is taboo now....or god forbid make a real MMO that can cater to everyone and not just short attention spans..

Remember its the first month the pop will always after the first month decline or grow just give it time people are just curious about the game. I would be playing it still but Im still waiting on the last of my parts for my new pc so I cant play atm :(