Jon Wood,

Mabye I am  nitpicking here ;-) but, you state that the Pre-orders will give you presidens in the Trial, this is untrue. The trial starts jan 22nd and no preorders will be taken before mid february.

So in short of letting EVERYONE sample the game for free in the trial, witch was their inital promise, there will be plenty of players that will be able to try the game before they buy. The reason for not letting everyone in, is given and obvious: They never anticipated this much hype, and the high level of interest.

Tasos even gives a rather epic quote on that saying "Hype surrounding Darkfall is huge right now, despite our best efforts"

Thanks

Originally posted by Gyrus

Originally posted by nileq

MMORPG is hardly in any position to DEMAND anything, I think you think to highly of this site.

A LOT of potential customers here.

MMORPG.com could de-list this game (?) and lock the forum.  Bye-bye free advertising.

If I was a Dev, that would hold sway with me.

That is probably just what Aventurine WANTS.. did  you read the latest news?

This rather epic quote is from that said news "Hype surrounding Darkfall is huge right now, despite our best efforts" link

Wow random, cudos for saying that. I will read your posts with a more open mind in the future.

Cudos

Originally posted by Lasastard

In all fairness though, this "free trial" will only be available to a limited number of people (because Aventurine does not have the infrastructure to satisfy the current demand). Under the given circumstaces, this makes it more like an invited beta test.

And why is this so?

Because intrest in DFO is to large.. why is it to large? becasue of all the trolls..

have a looka at this epic quote in the last news from Aventurine:

"Hype surrounding Darkfall is huge right now, despite our best efforts"

LINK

Originally posted by Joliust

What open beta? I think you need to reread what they said.

For all you thinking that Open beta means that EVERYON MUST BE ABLE TO JOIN

Definition: LINK

A beta test is a limited release of a product with a goal of finding bugs before the final release. Software testing is often referred to by the terms "alpha" and "beta."

Generally speaking, the alpha test is an internal test to find bugs, and the beta test is an external test. During the alpha phase, the product is opened up to employees of the company and, sometimes, friends and family. During the beta phase, the product is opened up to a limited number of customers.

Sometimes, beta tests are referred to as "open" or "closed". A closed beta test has a limited number of spots open for testing, while an open beta has either an unlimited number of spots (i.e. anyone who wants to can participate) or a very large number of spots in cases where opening it up to everyone is impractical.

MMORPG is hardly in any position to DEMAND anything, I think you think to highly of this site.

The comments where that was posted (Iimage hosting site is just that, a hosting site) I cant link it since that is against the TOC...

But belive me, that image is a hoax

Originally posted by Polarization

Don't worry Tasos is currently fighting with the business end of things getting everything ready for the publishing, hopefully he will come out on top but its still touch and go at the moment.

Support, billing, and account management are all coming together, but they could all just as easily fall apart, so don't get your hopes up.

Server deployment is just about complete, but you know how tough that final 10% can be to nail down when it comes to crunch time.

A new website is under development and he hopes it will be finished in time for the launch, but tasos also hopes you will understand if it wont be finished in time like so many other things.

Tasos will come back to you with a proper status report as soon as possible in the unlikely event that he has not answered all your questions satisfactorily.

Tasos would also like to remind you again that Darkfall is currently feature complete and ready for release at anytime, so don't worry so much.

You know what polar?

Sometimes  your posts are actually quite funny ;)

It has been rectified, 300.000 forum users not 3.000.000

Originally posted by Trissa

Originally posted by nileq

Well,

Who will buy gold from them?

Remember it's full loot, lets say you buy 10.000 gold form them so you can build your boat. The next day, ganksquad 101 (the same company that you bought the gold from) gank your ass and steal your boat.

Are you going to buy another 10.000 gold for real life money?

 

-I sure won't

Sure you not but i got to know people that is probably going to expend 20.000 to build a bigger one
 

Them people deserv to finance some chineese guys..

Well,

Who will buy gold from them?

Remember it's full loot, lets say you buy 10.000 gold form them so you can build your boat. The next day, ganksquad 101 (the same company that you bought the gold from) gank your ass and steal your boat.

Are you going to buy another 10.000 gold for real life money?

-I sure won't

Take the quote in the OP with a big grain of salt, it is quoted from some random dude on the IRC that clamed to have been at the event and heard Mr.T speak. so..

Originally posted by xzyax

Originally posted by nileq

Apparently the NDA must be signed and returned to Aventurine before you will be allowed into the Beta. I wander how many fax-machines they have running, since they sent out 1000 invites this week ;-).

And if you wander how I know that it must be signed and returned. The NDA is on the internetz.. (cant link it for obvious reasons..)

Also on a side note, the first person that leaked the dragon-SS's has supposedly been banned and AV is pressing charges.. ouch.. That might explain the few leaks

 

The REAL question is:

 

WHY is the NDA still in place... with less than 2 weeks to Release?

 

Still waiting of an example of another good MMO that kept their NDA in place for as long. 

If the game is  Ready... why is the NDA still in place? 

That is obvious, if you can't figure that out...

Webhallen have had DFO up for pre-order for a long time now, but I would not dare to order it.

AV have said that NO preorders have been approved from their side.

Originally posted by Agricola1

It seems odd that Aventurine has all the time and resources to hunt down a single NDA breaker, yet not enough to update thier website 2 weeks before launch. Don't you think?

Also the downside of taking an alledged NDA breaker to court is you get bad PR, also even if you prove it what would Aventurine get in damages? Since NDA breakers usually create hype for a game and increase interest I would find it interesting to see what Aventurine would be "rewarded".

However this story about taking NDA breakers to court sounds as fishy as a seven pound note. Sounds to me like fanbois and or Tasos making up stories to explain why there are only 2 crappy vids on the web after close to 10 years of production and atleast 3 closed betas over 5 years that I can remember. Just a cover story for the vapourware boys from Greece!

I too find it quite unlikely that AV is actually sueing someone, but the rumor might be quite effective against the current beta-testers and that might be why they don't deny it.

Originally posted by Kurt00

Here's an example of what a joke NDA's and the like are.

http://thepiratebay.org/legal

That don't even come close to AV's NDA. Look it up and read it and you will see.

And about you not paying fines, that is all fine and dandy, some people take their lives a bit more seriously than you do I guess.  You probably wont be playing DFO since I doubt they have broadband in the trailer park.

Originally posted by Kurt00

UBI Soft tried to sue PKER.org years ago for posting NDA stuff from Shadowbane.

They laughed at them. And nothing ever happened.

I am telling you NDA's are a joke.

PKER.org hardly signed an NDA so the joke is on you.

You seem to think that your e-peen is pretty large, I am willing to bet that you would cry in RL when the law-suit found it's way to your hands.

Originally posted by Kurt00

Originally posted by nileq

It's harch I grant you that but it's not a joke if they drag you to to court.

 

They wouldn't be able to drag me to court because I simply wouldn't show up. They would be sitting there like morons themselves.

 

Again, your participation in the proceedings is not required in most civilised countries..

So unless you are from a banana-republic it don't matter. And will only look bad for your case.

Originally posted by Agricola1

Originally posted by daarco

Originally posted by Kurt00

Originally posted by nileq

hey, have a search around and you will find the NDA, and it is VERY strict.

Also it is a binding contract, why would they NOT be able to press charges if you violate it? \

 

They can. But who the fuck would actually SHOW UP to court??  Get real.  Nothing can happen to you. You can't go to jail for breaking a NDA.

On top of that they would first have to find you to even serve you papers.  It's a joke.

 

I dont know where you live...but in the EU,  YOU SHOW UP to court. With the police or not.

 

The point he's making is, if all they have is a signature on a piece of paper and no other form of ID or an address they don't actually know who they're supposed to be taking to court. How do they serve papers to this person? How do they identify him/her?

I give a false signature and no other ID where will the police go to pick me up? For a small civil case the police aren't going to pick me up and drag me to court in the EU or anywhere else on the planet. I don't turn up the judge will go in the favour of the prosecutor, but since they don't know who the hell I am it doen't really matter.

How will they get compensation when all they have is an email address and a signature that reads "Ivor Biggun"?

Because you are required to add Name, address, country on the actual NDA. Look it up.

And as I said in my other post, you don't need to show up at court, they will rule anyway. (and probably against you if you are a no-show.)

It's harch I grant you that but it's not a joke if they drag you to to court.

And ofcourse you won't go to jail, but you could be slapped with a fine.

I think you would think twice too, your e-peen don't give you any freebees in RL

Edit: If you would be a no-show in court (in civilized countries that is) the court would likely rule against you and you would be MADE to pay the fine. You DONT play hide and seek with the justice system.

What banana-republic are you from?