Whew I am so glad I read this before purchasing this game. If I wanted another stupid dumbed down MMORPG I would play WoW. Thank god this came out so I didn't buy into the garbage. The only issues were bugs and performance issues. Not everyone wants stupid dumb down games like WoW. Alot miss the old EQ.

In my opinion this is the downfall of every MMORPG. Forums for game suggestions should not exist, I am sorry. There are never any changes the players suggest that are truly for the good of the game, yet a selfish need of wanting something easier or faster. This is just selfishness or envy, and it hurts the game.

MMORPG designers should design their vision and stick with it no matter how much crying is going on the forums. If you are doing well with subscriptions then all is fine. I personally think there should be no forums other than technical/bug forums available.

Attention Devs: If you have a successful game like WoW or EQ did/does, it is because you have a successful working game model/vison. EQ ruined that MMORPG and WoW is currently ruining theirs. That is all.

 I wouldn't play WoW though unless you enjoy easy content, and as of late mainly PvP (which isn't that great to begin with in WoW). The community is very bad as well in this game for some reason. Anyhow try it and see if you like it.

Edited: The guy below me explained the trial much more accurate than  I did. I still feel my other comments are true, they are only my opinions though.

Thanks to everyone who has posted thus far. : ) I will check ebay I guess, I just wanted to play a trial before I bought it. Thanks again!

Like alot of people who can't find a buddy pass, I would love to get a look at this game created by the person's who made my favorite game EQ. Anyone have any ideas on when everyone can try it? If any of you have a buddy pass my email address is mokfarg@gmail.com. I had to try ...

The progression server did so well you would think Sony would see there is money to be made here. Alot, alot of my friend and I would play on a server that stops at Velious ... period. There would be no need for us to play any other MMORPG untill one that comes out just like old EQ with better graphics .. but that isn't happening. Sony sell the rights for a classic server or make server options out there!

Hard to believe this thread is still going. My question has been answered fully a few good times already and I now understand what is going on. I do find it a little silly for these "mini-dings" but not a complete deal killer for me. I have read the raid experience is awesome in EQ2 and that is what I am looking for. Thanks again all for the constructive post and I have no hard feelings against those who posted the "flame" post. I understand people get worked up over their favorite game.

Most all would agree they love coming together with a large group of people and killing an epic dragon. I think this was the thing that drew so much appeal to these games. I understand there should be some solo content because sometimes you can not find a group or whatnot but that should not be the emphasis of a MMORPG.

When I think back to perfect raid encounters I think back to encounters such as Onyxia in WoW, Nagy in EQ, or other giant raid bosses that are short and quick to get to but once you arrive in their lair it is of epic challenge. I think what hurts most in raiding is the dungeons that last 6 hours. I have a suggestion to throw out for game makers that has probably been thought up before. In every dungeon there should be a side door that you unlock after each boss you encounter, maybe a secret door etc etc. Say you guild raids for an hour that night to the first boss and is successful, Grats! you get your loot and access in some way to the side door to leave or you can also choose to continue on. That way the next day if you want you guys could continue on where you left off at the side door entrance or start over if you choose. I don't know how it all would work out but I think it would help allievate the feeling of having to stay in an instance.

I am not sure how it would work but I would like to think people enjoy those great encounters but are pressed for time because of real life could still enjoy them. I think WoW has done a few things to allievate the time it takes. I would also like to add I wish there was more benefits such as great xp gain from grouping in todays MMORPGs to continue to promote grouping. People really don't know what they missed out on from EQ, the ones that play WoW. Grouping was community and was great, I played WoW and yes it is a good game I will not argue, but I like somethings EQ did that WoW doesn't. Anyway adios.

Originally posted by thorwood

It is hard to pick a game that stands out overall in the above groupings.

1.  PvE

 - EQ for content and alternate leveling system after you reach the maximum level

 - EQ looking for group interface

 -WoW ability to solo

 - WoW fairly quick leveling

 - EQ2 single server.  Additional duplicate zones created on demand.

 - DAoC/EQ instances

 - ?? for best quest/mission system and quest/mission log (perhaps WoW but with much higher maximum number of quests) 

 - ?? for best map system

 - Swords of the New World  portals for quick travel to previously visited area

  - ?? for ease of travel to previously visited zones or to join a group/raid.

 - City of Heroes for customised character appearance

  - ?? for best graphics

 - ?? for ease of replacing group/raid members who had to leave 

 - DaoC XP from both fights  and completing missions 

2.  Crafting

 -  Horizons crafting.

 -  Horizons ability to construct semi-permanent buidings/facilities in the world

3.  Raids

 - EQ raids  ( but without the linear progression)

4. Community

 - EQ family guilds

5.  Marketing/Trading

 -  WoW "bind on equip" and "bind on pick up" prevents saturation of market with second hand gear

 -  EQ market search

 -  ?? (EQ?) for ease of access to a global market

 - Horizons for good customised crafted gear

6.  PvP

 - ?? for a pvp system where the person with the shortest ping is not advantaged

 - ??  for balanced pvp for single player, group, and multiple groups

 - ?? balanced pvp that has a role for both new and veteran players

 

It has been years since I played some of the above games, so they may have changed.

 

 

 

 Great post, I like seeing what others think. I have to say though the top two things I bolded is what killed the last thing I bolded. The top two things I bolded is what attracts a bad community, alot of younger, shorter attention span players. EQ took some time and grouping with brought people together.

More dungeons, I am excited already! 

Very cool. thanks again.

That's cool, I was wondering where the Paladins and other hybrids fit in to things. I started to dislike WoW because of Blizz changing it to where hybrids are close to almost out performing the Prot Warrior as of late. WoW is still a blast though, I only love their dungeons. The community is bad but if you have a decent guild it isn't that bad. Thanks again.

Awesome very kind of you for the information!

Edit: My friend was curious to what is the primary top healer in EQ2 as well. Is there one particular one that is the best?

I am not familar with EQ2 yet but I would like to add very soon a PvP focused game is coming and looks to be something you would be interested in. That game is Warhammer Online. I may even take a shot at it even though I have never been a avid pvper.

Hello all,

Since my last question about the game my friends and I have given the trial another shot and I appreciate the constructive post I recieved. I love to tank in MMORPGs and I like to be the most efficient tank as possible. I notice there are alot of choices in EQ2 as tanks but I know there is probably one that outdoes the rest as usual in these MMORPGS.

Any experienced EQ2 players know which class I am looking for? (My son wanted the banana guy in the post. )

Thanks guys for the responses. I am currently looking at this or EQ2. EQ2 has been out a while so it may be hard to get into but I have read that it has some great raid instances and dungeons. This is what my friends and I play for.

I am looking at LOTR as well because they keep the PvP and PvE from affecting each other. I love that! I really dislike pvp and glad it doesn't creep in on my fun. How big are the raids in LOTR? Do you get to fight some huge dragons and nasty monsters about the size of your entire screen?

Originally posted by alakram

You all EQ2 players in this thread, this is the type of things that drops people from our game.

To OP, please take for you only the good answer, and forget about silly answers. You experienced a miniding. Every time you reach 10% 20% 30% etc of experiencie you get one. I dont like it, but when you get higher levels you will experience it less and less. But sometimes it can save your group.

Minidings are part of EQ2 gameplay, EQ2 is gameplay is based not on how many mobs you can kill before stop out of mana or health, but on the timing of your pulls, the timing of your dps attacks, abd  the timings of your heals. So, if you do things right, you never stop to recover hp or mp. Minidings are just helping you feel this group mechanic even if you are not grouping. The are like a mini healer. You may like it, you may not, is up to you.

Thanks to poster like you. I appreciate all the feedback and a friend and I are trying it again. Like I said I was doing the trial to see if I liked it, so I only got to view the game from low levels.

Originally posted by Netzoko

Wait wait wait.... you guys are mad because you don't have a sit and pick your nose as much in between mobs? You actually want to have your character just sit there while you slowly regen, rather than having a system that speeds up gameplay, and lowers downtime.

 

I've heard every complaint possible now...

 

can.............not...............fathom............stupid.........complaints.......................... *dies*

Actually I have an attention span and am not a spastic child that I need instant gratification. I rather have a little realism thrown in my game and challenge. If I am hurt after a fight I should have to have my healer heal me ..or set and eat something. Not all of us are always just happy for shortcuts to cheapen our gaming experience. I play for the game not being the top level as fast as I can.

Originally posted by Neopsych

Clealrly the min-ding full heal is not in line with the rest of the mechanics and I can see why you would question it as a singular aspect. However, to drop a whole game due to this singular piece seems as trivial as the aspect itself.

EQ2 combat is generally fun and the raiding etc aspects are great with multi-guild groups, largly because EQ2 has a great community ( something that spoiled WOW for me). I would suggest you play for a while longer and experience all the other aspects of teh game before you give up on something due to one relatively minor piece.

 

IF its full world immersion you after - try RL. I hear its really hard combat there

I don't like mechanics just to make my game experience easier, I like a challenge but like I said and from what I read this game has a solid raid experience and may be what I am looking for. Thanks again. You may mock the immersion thing but that is an important part of gaming for me. WoW so far is doing okay for me so I am just shopping around. WoW like you said has a horrible audience and is too easy of a game.

Thanks! I may give it another shot. I appreciate you explaining that to me. My friend will be glad to hear the reason behind that, we were dumbfounded by what we saw.