Originally posted by trillgod

Originally posted by qombi

People should support companies like Runic Games, not the money hungry garbage companies like Blizzard (Activision).

Torchlight 2 - You buy it for $20 dollars you own it! Wow what a concept! You get your game, you can play offline singleplayer or with your friends on a LAN, you can play multiplayer online, great! No scummy RMT in this game ... what more can you ask for?

 

Diablo 3 - You buy it for $60 dollars you don't own it ... you rent it basically. You can't even play the game you paid for off of the internet .... you can't set up a LAN with your friends .. you MUST play online because you don't own the game! Scummy real life money auctions ... There is no contest? Why pay for this abuse?

 

The fact is simple: Pay the $60 dollars for Diablo 3 if you want to encourage this greedy behaviour or vote with your wallet and pay Runic Games for Torchlight 2 to show the game world what us gamers want for our money. It is your choice, your games at stake.

 

OCCUPY ACTIVISION ..TAKIN AWAY ARR GAMINGGG RIGHTS LMAO

It is very funny and convenient that most of the post trying to dismiss these arguments as something silly are accounts made this year. Not going to accuse, but would easily be possible to mistake these as phony accounts by game companies to try to discredit reasonable arguments against what they are doing.

Originally posted by UOvet

It doesn't help when games like CoD, WoW and D3 all break game sales. Meanwhile games like the Battlefield series do well, Planetside will do well, but you won't see the #'s these games put out likely. Which just really blows my mind. I was hoping people really weren't this shallow and just "duh" when it came to games.

 

It wouldn't suprise me if Activision made a CoD, stuck someone in front of you, one level, and you just shoot..that's all. It would break records somehow.

 

Blizzard and Activision kind of follow the same route. Make it cheap, make it playable (D3 was hardly that). How D3 took 7+ years to make boggles me.

 

I don't understand it either. These big garbage piles of game companies have money to push their games down the player's throats with advertisments. They have a lot of money to shove the advertisments in our faces, pay off game sites like these to shove them in our faces to the point that we the gamers feel this is the must have game of the year.

The garbage games are pushed so hard that people see them so much they think if they don't buy them some how they will be the only ones not buying them. They pay big dollars to make sure people buy their abusive models. There is pyschology envolved, people are really easy and gullible in masses and very predictable. Open your eyes people, your gaming experience doesn't have to be like this.

Most of these games that sell these huges numbers are not because the game is great, it is only because of the advertisment, brand name, and sequel name. Only we have to power to not buy the garbage. Think for yourselves, is this really what you want your games to be like?

We can only hope that people will realize they can have more for their gaming money if they refuse to pay for these abusive models. Players have the ultimate say what the model will be. Everyone is upset with the corporate greed recently that has gotten our country into a mess. Corporate greed is what is turning our gaming choices into garbage as well.

For what? They are already rich, they just want more and more. If they are making 100000 billion this year, they feel they fail if they are still making 100000 billion the next. That mindset isn't sustainable. This is the reason they have to screw you the gamer harder every year.

Originally posted by DaezAster

Who's really going to be playing d3 in ten years. It already looks ten years old. In ten years games will be way beyond what they are now. I dont thinking gaming needs saving. The economy is a better concern if you want to save something or how about the music business. No need to start a video game rebellion just dont buy what you dont like for whatever reason and everyone else will do the same.

No one will be because the servers may be offline by then even if they wanted to.

Originally posted by Silverchild

Agree 100%.

 

Blizzard is just running on hype right now, and the sad thing is that its working. As a game, d3 is crap. Yet it is one of the best selling game ever, because blizzard hype / PR / marketing is top-notch.

 

I prefer supporting smaller companies too. Torchlight and Path of exile both sound pretty good.

I will have to take a look at Path of Exile

People should support companies like Runic Games, not the money hungry garbage companies like Blizzard (Activision).

Torchlight 2 - You buy it for $20 dollars you own it! Wow what a concept! You get your game, you can play offline singleplayer or with your friends on a LAN, you can play multiplayer online, great! No scummy RMT in this game ... what more can you ask for?

Diablo 3 - You buy it for $60 dollars you don't own it ... you rent it basically. You can't even play the game you paid for off of the internet .... you can't set up a LAN with your friends .. you MUST play online because you don't own the game! Scummy real life money auctions ... There is no contest? Why pay for this abuse?

The fact is simple: Pay the $60 dollars for Diablo 3 if you want to encourage this greedy behaviour or vote with your wallet and pay Runic Games for Torchlight 2 to show the game world what us gamers want for our money. It is your choice, your games at stake.

Originally posted by Rawiz

The game is alright only if you play hardcore. Otherwise it's just as pointless as Diablo 2.

What's the point of farming gear for your softcore toon after beating Diablo on Inferno? Seriously I'd like some softie give an answer to this. You've beaten the game, you can die as many times as you want, you have no purpose and yet some people still play Diablo on softcore. I always wondered about this in Diablo 2 as well. I know for a fact being casual isn't the reason, because several people played softcore as much as the top dogs did hardcore.

Playing this game hardcore makes it a lot more enjoyable. As a plus there's no RMAH there either (at least so far). Once you play hardcore you never go back to being a spineless coward with ridicilous dps gear and obnoxious one-hit-wonder spec, you actually get better in the game and care about your toon.

Still, it's much worse than Diablo 2 of its time was, there's way too many compromises and dumbing down. I'd like to see what the sales would be like if Diablo 3 was mostly just a remade version of Diablo 2.

Let's face it, Diablo 3 would have sold if it was an empty box with Diablo 3 painted across the front. The name sold it alone.

They didn't have a clue what a MMO is and I afraid many games are failing for the same reason. They are making these games solo focused to the point you don't need each other.

I think people are nuts to pay to "rent" a single player game for that price. You never own it, the game isn't even playable without the internet. Shame to all who support this scam.

Originally posted by injenu

So this is what I'm thinking....

In January of this year GW2 gives a little hint that they'll be releasing the following year around the same time... Then, in early April ArenaNet starts offerring Open-Beta testing with pre-orders, followed by the April 27th open beta weekend.  Blizzard most definitely got themselves a copy and after playing it come to the realization that GW2 is a lot closer to release than what was previously indicated... So they panicked.. 

They knew that if GW2 were to release before Diablo III, which for all intensive purposes can be considered direct competition, that it  would ultimately hurt D3s initial release sales.  So they go into "worst case scenario" mode, realizing their own game in its current development state is going to be lacking seriously.  Sensing a June-ish release date from GW2, they have no choice but to release a partially done game.. 

So development realizes that they're going to have to figure out a way to deliver the game in a piece by piece method, while also ensuring that the masses wont just tear through their unfinished game.  They decide to scrap trying to figure out pvp balancing, and focus on finishing up the overall PVE content itself.  This might be a stretch, but I bet they brought in some coders from WoW (why the game has similar graphics), and tried to polish/debug what they had for a release. 

As a means to slow down people from utterly ripping through the content, they just make inferno mode impossible for the layman player. They also reduce the drops so as to be able to figure out the best way to implement the RMAH.  The DRM is also a pretty good method of artificially controlling people from getting to the end point (a single player offline mode allows people to choose whether to update their game) ..

Thinking along this path, you can kind of get a better scope as to how Blizzard is maximizing their sales.  The tragedy in all of this is that all of us basically paid full price to rent (DRM means you DO NOT own it) a partially finished game.  The greater insult is that most of us will probably also pay to purchase DLCs piece by piece, until Blizzard decides to actually make right on their committment in providing an adequate version of Diablo 3.  I'm thinking they intend on milking us for about $150-200 for their full, envisioned finished product. 

This is why that petition is so important. The more signatures that the petition gets, the higher likelihood that a class action suit will be filed, and the greater the chances that Blizzard does NOT charge its playerbase for paying for their own failures.  Not to piss in anyone's cornflakes, but if you honestly think that this game is anywhere near complete in its current state, with the DRM, as well as the lack of pvp, proper balancing, and the broken AH, then I'm sorry, but you should really take a seriously better look. 

So what do you guys think? Am I some crazy conspiracy theorist? Or does this make some sense?

injenu.

Not all of us, I don't get caught up in the hype. As soon as I found out that LAN play didn't exist and even single player was online for a simple multiplayer game I decided to never buy it. Also top that off with a stupid real life money auction, basically if you buy it for the price they asked you mind as well print sucker on your forehead.

I refuse to play games with RMT in them. I have less and less games to choose from but I will not be part of this garbage. Games are meant to be played for enjoyment, not shopping for digital items.

It can't be saved because there is something missing from the game, the MMO part of it. Ever since they started dumbing MMO down and removing the multiplayer from them, they took it too far.

They were probably mainly working on the RMT shop for 3 years. I did not buy the game and I encourage others not to support this type of behavior if you like games.

Go ahead and buy this game if you want all your single player / co-op games to force you to play online without LAN play (did you enjoy the servers being down?). Go ahead and buy it if you enjoy developers adjusting drop rates to encourage you to purchase items for a real money cash shop.

I say boycott greedy game companies such as these till they come back down to earth with more customer friendly money models. Buy Torchlight 2 and say no to Diablo 3.

I choose not to purchase Diablo 3 due to the fact there is no game offline. Diablo 2 and 1 are still around and playable after how many years? This will not be the case with part 3. The servers will be offline and you will be left with a worthless DVD. I think it is hard to justify paying $60 for that.

Friends and I enjoyed years back forming a LAN party and playing Diablo 2 all night. We actually did this not too long ago again for old time sake. It was a blast. I a sorry to say, this won't be possible with part 3. I will save my money for a hack n' slash co-op game that allows offline play. My money will be spent on Torchlight 2.

Originally posted by Suzie_Ford

Originally posted by AdamTM

Originally posted by Suzie_Ford

In the best interests of the game, it would be nice if any 'alternative ending' type DLC would be offered to customers for free. But, even if it's not, I'll buy it because I am THAT dissatisfied with the lack of closure and the lack of even a minute chance of a happy ending for Shepard. A 10-20 purchase price would be OK with me for the gigantic number of hours and replays that the series has brought to me over the years.

Thank you for proving my point and continuing to make this industry a worse place Suzie.

At some point its time for us gamers to admit to ourselves that we will buy anything to get our fix, even if the cocaine is cut with flour and costs twice as much as last week.

In your opinion it's bad but not everyone necessarily feels that way. That's the beauty of differing opinions.

We all have ways that we want to spend our money. For those who don't give a rip about the 'tragic' ending or who are satisfied with the way it all played out, there's no reason to buy the alternate ending DLC. According to a vast majority of gaming websites, we who are unhappy are disaffected whiners anyway and a sizeable minority so Bioware won't make much anyway, right? ;)

Call me wrong all you wish. Doesn't make me believe it. I want my Shepard to have a chance at the happy life that she's lived through impossible odds for 7 years or so to attain for the universe.

We the gamers cause games to be released buggy, with less content than in the past, and over priced. We tell the companies with our wallets. I personally don't appreciate being ripped off. I prefer to get entire games and a fair price. I didn't purchase Mass Effect 3 and any other game that that gets bad reviews for being released buggy, containing item shops, or downloadable content with release of a game.

I would rather give my money to companies that instead of spending developer time on downloadable content before the game has even been released, spends their time on the game itself. Same goes for item shops. I will not purchase Diablo 3. They had time to get the item shop working yet not get all promised features in? No thank you. You only hurt youself by not being wise with your money.

Originally posted by Xstyles

Another WoW expansion ?? How can this garbage continue to survive this long?

Not a fan of what WoW has become with item shops and what not but why would it be dead? Everquest has sucked since Shadows of Luclin and it is still in business after 18 expansions and almost 13 years later.

Originally posted by eddieg50

  the same people who hate this are the same ones who hate SWTOR, they have no patience for story or cut scenes or voice overs, they skip over everything and then say " hey what happened the game was'nt very long"

Watching a movie isn't gaming. If you cut out the movies and there isn't much game, THEN something is wrong.

Originally posted by Meerkat93

Originally posted by Bunks

boycott EA

Concidering ME3 already sold over a million copies, and the fact that EA Controls the FIFA, MADDEN and NHL games. I don't think a boycott would work at all.

Why is it always the people that just joined the site always defending greedy behavior? Not accusing but looks very much like a paid person to reduce the concern over this corporate greed.

Originally posted by dubyahite
For the seven millionth time I've posted this on these boards:

the first instance is heavy on cutscenes. The rest ARE NOT. They have a convo before you go in andaybe one or two very short ones inside, if that.

THIS IS ONLY AN ISSUE IN THE FIRST FLASHPOINT. GET PAST THAT AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT.

Have you played WoW? Do you realize the attention spans of people in these games after they are only there for an item? No one is going to wait for one second for those new people to watch those short cut scenes you are speaking of.

Who wants to wait for the millionth time for the new person in a dungeon to watch through the cinematics? Not I, why would this be in a MMO? Good idea for a single player game where your time is your time and bad idea for a MMO... period.

This a flaw but probably will not be noticed very often due to the fact this game mainly will play like a single player game with a online multiplayer option .. which I won't pay monthlly for.