Originally posted by summitus

Originally posted by synn

Originally posted by summitus

Originally posted by tuppe99

I know, you are all getting tired of these WAR vs WoW posts, but really, even though I am getting tired of WoW myself, I still have not seen anything to suggest that WAR will be a step up from WoW. Except for RvR.

Almost all the other features of WoW seem to be superior to WAR's:

1.) Almost open world, with flying mounts where I can land wherever I want in Outland (and Northrend from level 77)

2.) Amazing PvE that is going to get a huge boost in WOTLK

3.) An economy with an AH

4.) A  huge world comparing to other MMOs

5.) Professions that finally became meaningful

In WAR's favour: PvP and that is about it.

Or are there more WAR features that will blow WoW out of the water that I don't know about? (not in the beta, only going on what I read here).

Please understand that I am not a WoW fanboy, in fact I desperately want to leave it for a superior MMO. Just have not seen one yet.

 

And I'm afraid you wont find a superior game here in Warhammer either , WoW is still light years ahead no question about it. You have to listen to the Non Warhammer Fanboi's, listen to the normal people like me whoare just looking for another great game to play....... sadly Warhammer is not that game.

 "Next Please" !

 

who's to say your not a wow fanboy? the best thing to do is just try the game out for yourself and make up your own decision. I'm hoping the game will come with buddy keys(it would if mythic was smart). this will let other players decide for themselves whether they are ready to leave their current MMO or continue waiting for something better.

 

I'm not a Fanboi of anygame I just play whats good ,simple really eh ? .

And that is your opinion. Don't bash others for not sharing your opinion. You can disagree with people without insulting them...this is why I rarely or ever come to this site anymore. To many people being negative just for the sake of pissing people off.

SOE

But really this is like asking whos worse Hitler or umm CyberHitler. Really they both suck. Dishonest companies run by dishonest people. Though Smed is definetly the biggest snake in the video game industry imho. My complaint with SOE is their games on one hand and their business practices on the other.

Oh and SWG was not failing when they instituted the CU and the NGE. It had about the average number of players when WoW released. It lost some, but most were coming back within the first few months. It was failing at the CU, casue the CU wasn't that good. The NGE was not the right response. Also I only slightly blame Lucas Arts...It was SOE's marketing plan, and thats what really pissed me off.

While I would be suprised to find a Sandbox game here...It may be possible to still hope for a non-level skill based system or a lvl/skill system like CU that does not shove you into one class. Might be a bit much to hope for..but what is life without hope.

And as a Pre-Cu vet I am very excited about this game. I have nothing against the lvl/class system its just that it was so poorly done and just plain wrong for SWG. It was the morals of $OE that pissed me off, not the game (ok the game pissed me off too...only because it was so Horrid)

Originally posted by infrared1

Envy is one of the Seven Deadly Sins. Not only have they broken the tenth, they are also guilty of 5 of the seven.

Envy, Greed, pride, Lust and wrath.

Maybe all?? Sloth and gluttony. Hmmm...

Gluttony idk

But sloth..well them are some lazy devs(interns).

My real problem with SOE has become less about the games and just how bad they run their business. It does boggle the mind. I can't believe they have anybody at that company has taken a single business class. They make alot of just plain stupid mistakes.

Ok i get i got my facts wrong with MxO.

SWG is honestly about 80% SOEs fault in my opinion.

LA's involvment was one of negligence not really of evil corporate  greed.

Also LA did nothing after the game flopped to bring SOE back in line.

Still SOE is the one who designed the game and pushed it out the door.

Looks like $OE is making a MMO based on the DC comic universe. Seriously after SWG and MxO who would think that $OE can be succesful with a major IP title. DC comics is already losing money compared to Marvel...do they really want to shoot themselves in the foot by making an MMO with a company that has a reputation like $OE. I really didn't here enough about it to make a final decision...just questioning the logic of DC here.

Originally posted by Distaste

Originally posted by Coldren

Originally posted by Distaste

So Order has a magic tank and Destruction doesn't. Destruction has a heavy tank and Order doesn't. Not really a balanced trade in my eyes.

 

So what your saying is every faction should have a mirror? Some would say that makes for rather dull gameplay.

In my opinion, it gives one side a distinct advantage over the other, and a distinct disadvantage. You have to use tactics to exploit those weakness and play to your own strengths, and I think it makes for much more interesting gameplay.  DAoC had that, and I really liked that about it. It emphasizes that your choices have consequences. Picking one faction over they other when they're equal essentially makes it a choice of aesthetics.. and that doesn't intereset me.

 

I guess I should have explained a bit further!

Since 2 of the Melee DPS have been removed that means there are more classes that can do ranged damage then there are classes that will use melee. So it would be advantages to have a tank that can deal with ranged damage since they are better against more opponents than it is to have a tank that is better against melee which there are less of.

So a magical tank is worth more since there are more ranged classes.

A physical tank is worth less since there are less melee.

As for Shadow warriors, Squig herders, and the swordmaster I don't quite know the mechanics of what type of damage they do nor what all damage the swordmaster is best at absorbing(magical obviously but does that include all ranged?)

Destruction still has its magical tank. Chosen was the Magic Tank...nobody really knew what Black Guard was gonna be yet. They had yet to release any substantive information on it. At least Chosen and marauder are still there :) (my little bit of greed). And there will still be 10,000 shadow warriors named legolas

Ha, more SOE B.S. Really, 200k of us>a dozen devs. Too bad SOE still doesn't see it that way.

Originally posted by kefkah

Originally posted by boognish75

The eula clearly sais online play may be subject to changes without notice at any time. Also you can not switch and bait that which you do not own as also the eula clearly states by agreeing to this eula you herby agree that you do not own this or any other virtual items within this game from soe and La.

 

That whole EULA argument is a palid excuse and it has been argued successfully that it does not apply to many of the circumstances that occured with the NGE. EVen the developer in question admits numerous times that it was WRONG. And even if by some small miracle, the EULA could in fact cover things like the Ranger Revamp ploy - the fact is (since moral concepts seem to be flying around here today) just because they have the right to do it - DOESN"T make it right.

That fact was reinforced with the irrefutable proof that is the difference between subscriptions of the PreCU and the NGE. SOE pulled their bait and switch - thousands upon thousands left. Their name becoming mud on forums and news releases everywhere.

As for the whole you don't own virtual items argument - SOE opened pandora's box with the ability to purchase items in game. That one will be working itself to a head soon enough when they implement it full on in their next mmo.

If SOE was ever charged with fraud over SWG I doubt the EULA would even be allowed into evidence. Most are so completely worthless as they are illegal contracts for all intents and purposes. Internet law is so new however that these things are allowed to pass. If it came down to it, however, it is doubtful that a judge would allow to be used as the EULA of SWG (and most EULA period) violate a number of consumer rights laws. The only possible hide that SOE could use is to say that they are a subsidary to a japanese company, and therefore must be tried in Japan. They wouldn't do this because they would get into even more trouble as EULA are not even considered valid in Japan if I remember my international law correctly. (It is possible I am wrong here please say anything if you have evidence of this)

Originally posted by Terranah

To the OP,

 

It takes as long as it takes to get over the NGE.  I think we have all moved on at this point, but many of us like to remember the old times or remind ourselves and others the betrayal of SOE to its players. 

 

The SWG vets are providing a service to the mmo community, by holding SOE accountable for its actions and putting other game companies on notice that treating it's player base with antipathy will not be forgotten.

 

Telling people to move on and get over it just fans the flames.  If someone feels they have been wronged or there is an injustice, telling them to get over it more than likely motivates them to continue.  I site the length of this thread as evidence of this fact.

 

Why not have a little compassion for people who have lost a game they love.  How many other games have garnered such long lasting feelings, even after SOE has said they will never bring back precu swg.  

 

And lastly, I leave you with an anology.  If you fell in love with a woman and regularly promised her the moon, and then a couple years later break it off because you decided you need a change...and you tell her you don't care about her feelings, her response very likely will be to hate you as much as she loved you.  Probably same thing with SOE. 

 

The vets were in love with precu swg, despite her flaws, and when SOE changed the game and told the vets the game was for a different kind of player now, they turned the love we had into anger.  We were promised so many things, but SOE lied many times and told us to piss off.  They were indifferent and dismissive and disrespectful to the players that loved them.  So now they reap what they sew.

This won't happen and is enitirely hypothetical.

Originally posted by Exar_Kun

Originally posted by jmd10222

I will play either one, but I really would like to see a KOTOR MMO, and It would make more sense to make it than CW.  They would have alot more freedom to create and not be tied down by existing cannon . Also it would make for great immersion into the game, because during that time frame there were alot of Jedi and Sith so pvp would be fun and could include Republic and Sith factions and classes. Just my opinion and hopes.

I would love that!...however, I would like to see a 3rd neutral faction introduced. Maybe a Criminal Underworld Faction or something. A Faction for Bounty Hunters, Informants, Smugglers,and Black Market Merchants could play freely.

That 3red faction would be the Genohardan Bounty Hunters lol...would be cool

http://www.massively.com/2008/05/02/the-battle-of-hoth-is-coming-to-star-wars-galaxies/

If I am not mistaken this is one of the first patchs that actually fits close to when the NGE supposedly takes place. I'm also sure that more nerfs will also be incoming. And that we all will and should bitch about how bad the instance will be. IMHO I agree with the other poster in that forum and that Hoth should be a full planet not just some other 20 min instance. Still this may just be evidence of SCE taking the reins...or it could be another Smed carrot/stick/gun-to-his-own-nuts strategy.

I say that all vets should no longer respond to any topic telling us to "get over it" just let them silently drift to the back of the forum pages.

You CANNOT create a contract or agreement that allows you to commit an illegal act such as fraud. The only reason nobody has brought SOE to court is because of the amount of money gained would not even start to cover the lawyer fees or the time it would take to complete such a trial as SOE would bury anyone in paperwork. 

Originally posted by iwantmyswg

casual gaming will soon be at an end thank god.

if you look at the home system sales you will see that the xbox 360 and wii have dropped in sales. both systems being systems that went after casual players. however the ps3 has picked up vastly in sales with most people saying buy the end of the year the ps3 will be the system to beat. why do i bring this up? the ps3 is a system that go's after the hardcore gamer and more and more people are going out and buying them.

we should be happy we will soon see an end to the whole casual market and gaming will go back to making games for people like us. it is happening right now. eve online is picking up in sales every month as more and more people go to it. where as warcraft is starting to drop down in sales. people are ready for a real game not some candyland meets fantasy or sci-fi game.

this is why swg will be rolled back or shut down. it's market is dieing and $OE knows that.

I don't disagree with you about the death of SWG; but I don't think casual gaming is dead. The only reason for the PS3 sudden pickup in sales is that it finally has some good games and that blue ray won the war. Wii and 360 sales are down because most people who want one have one. Who ever is buying the now are people who want a better one or people just now are getting the money to afford one.

Even if SOE released sub numbers they wouldn't be honest about it. They would include active subs, all vet trails ever activated, trail accounts, and anybody with a station pass that has logged into the game...even once.

Not to be racist, but if Asia doesn't like a grinder like SOE you know it has to be horrible.

I simply don't think that playing SWG after NGE came out means that you are not a true veteren and that you cannot post here. All of us who don't like the NGE should get along and focus on informing players who have not tried SWG to never play it and keeping SOE modest in how they run their business.

So Ollie what your saying is that if we didn't quit on the exact day that the NGE hit we have no right to post here.

Am I getting this right because if I am its total bull. I played the NGE for about 2 months after it came out. Does this some how make me automatically sympathetic to the game and therefore not able to criticize the game?