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Originally posted by kefkah

Originally posted by boognish75

The eula clearly sais online play may be subject to changes without notice at any time. Also you can not switch and bait that which you do not own as also the eula clearly states by agreeing to this eula you herby agree that you do not own this or any other virtual items within this game from soe and La.

 

That whole EULA argument is a palid excuse and it has been argued successfully that it does not apply to many of the circumstances that occured with the NGE. EVen the developer in question admits numerous times that it was WRONG. And even if by some small miracle, the EULA could in fact cover things like the Ranger Revamp ploy - the fact is (since moral concepts seem to be flying around here today) just because they have the right to do it - DOESN"T make it right.

That fact was reinforced with the irrefutable proof that is the difference between subscriptions of the PreCU and the NGE. SOE pulled their bait and switch - thousands upon thousands left. Their name becoming mud on forums and news releases everywhere.

As for the whole you don't own virtual items argument - SOE opened pandora's box with the ability to purchase items in game. That one will be working itself to a head soon enough when they implement it full on in their next mmo.

If SOE was ever charged with fraud over SWG I doubt the EULA would even be allowed into evidence. Most are so completely worthless as they are illegal contracts for all intents and purposes. Internet law is so new however that these things are allowed to pass. If it came down to it, however, it is doubtful that a judge would allow to be used as the EULA of SWG (and most EULA period) violate a number of consumer rights laws. The only possible hide that SOE could use is to say that they are a subsidary to a japanese company, and therefore must be tried in Japan. They wouldn't do this because they would get into even more trouble as EULA are not even considered valid in Japan if I remember my international law correctly. (It is possible I am wrong here please say anything if you have evidence of this)

Originally posted by Terranah

To the OP,

 

It takes as long as it takes to get over the NGE.  I think we have all moved on at this point, but many of us like to remember the old times or remind ourselves and others the betrayal of SOE to its players. 

 

The SWG vets are providing a service to the mmo community, by holding SOE accountable for its actions and putting other game companies on notice that treating it's player base with antipathy will not be forgotten.

 

Telling people to move on and get over it just fans the flames.  If someone feels they have been wronged or there is an injustice, telling them to get over it more than likely motivates them to continue.  I site the length of this thread as evidence of this fact.

 

Why not have a little compassion for people who have lost a game they love.  How many other games have garnered such long lasting feelings, even after SOE has said they will never bring back precu swg.  

 

And lastly, I leave you with an anology.  If you fell in love with a woman and regularly promised her the moon, and then a couple years later break it off because you decided you need a change...and you tell her you don't care about her feelings, her response very likely will be to hate you as much as she loved you.  Probably same thing with SOE. 

 

The vets were in love with precu swg, despite her flaws, and when SOE changed the game and told the vets the game was for a different kind of player now, they turned the love we had into anger.  We were promised so many things, but SOE lied many times and told us to piss off.  They were indifferent and dismissive and disrespectful to the players that loved them.  So now they reap what they sew.

This won't happen and is enitirely hypothetical.

Originally posted by Exar_Kun

Originally posted by jmd10222

I will play either one, but I really would like to see a KOTOR MMO, and It would make more sense to make it than CW.  They would have alot more freedom to create and not be tied down by existing cannon . Also it would make for great immersion into the game, because during that time frame there were alot of Jedi and Sith so pvp would be fun and could include Republic and Sith factions and classes. Just my opinion and hopes.

I would love that!...however, I would like to see a 3rd neutral faction introduced. Maybe a Criminal Underworld Faction or something. A Faction for Bounty Hunters, Informants, Smugglers,and Black Market Merchants could play freely.

That 3red faction would be the Genohardan Bounty Hunters lol...would be cool

http://www.massively.com/2008/05/02/the-battle-of-hoth-is-coming-to-star-wars-galaxies/

If I am not mistaken this is one of the first patchs that actually fits close to when the NGE supposedly takes place. I'm also sure that more nerfs will also be incoming. And that we all will and should bitch about how bad the instance will be. IMHO I agree with the other poster in that forum and that Hoth should be a full planet not just some other 20 min instance. Still this may just be evidence of SCE taking the reins...or it could be another Smed carrot/stick/gun-to-his-own-nuts strategy.

I say that all vets should no longer respond to any topic telling us to "get over it" just let them silently drift to the back of the forum pages.

You CANNOT create a contract or agreement that allows you to commit an illegal act such as fraud. The only reason nobody has brought SOE to court is because of the amount of money gained would not even start to cover the lawyer fees or the time it would take to complete such a trial as SOE would bury anyone in paperwork. 

Originally posted by iwantmyswg

casual gaming will soon be at an end thank god.

if you look at the home system sales you will see that the xbox 360 and wii have dropped in sales. both systems being systems that went after casual players. however the ps3 has picked up vastly in sales with most people saying buy the end of the year the ps3 will be the system to beat. why do i bring this up? the ps3 is a system that go's after the hardcore gamer and more and more people are going out and buying them.

we should be happy we will soon see an end to the whole casual market and gaming will go back to making games for people like us. it is happening right now. eve online is picking up in sales every month as more and more people go to it. where as warcraft is starting to drop down in sales. people are ready for a real game not some candyland meets fantasy or sci-fi game.

this is why swg will be rolled back or shut down. it's market is dieing and $OE knows that.

I don't disagree with you about the death of SWG; but I don't think casual gaming is dead. The only reason for the PS3 sudden pickup in sales is that it finally has some good games and that blue ray won the war. Wii and 360 sales are down because most people who want one have one. Who ever is buying the now are people who want a better one or people just now are getting the money to afford one.

Even if SOE released sub numbers they wouldn't be honest about it. They would include active subs, all vet trails ever activated, trail accounts, and anybody with a station pass that has logged into the game...even once.

Not to be racist, but if Asia doesn't like a grinder like SOE you know it has to be horrible.

I simply don't think that playing SWG after NGE came out means that you are not a true veteren and that you cannot post here. All of us who don't like the NGE should get along and focus on informing players who have not tried SWG to never play it and keeping SOE modest in how they run their business.

So Ollie what your saying is that if we didn't quit on the exact day that the NGE hit we have no right to post here.

Am I getting this right because if I am its total bull. I played the NGE for about 2 months after it came out. Does this some how make me automatically sympathetic to the game and therefore not able to criticize the game?

Originally posted by todeswulf
{ Mod Edit }

ver it.

{ Mod Edit } im pissed because Massively is only posting one side of the story. They can post all they like about the new fearutes in patches that they like, but they should have at least a few stories on the very large and very angry vet community.

And considering that amons mmos SWG has some of the lowest sub numbers, that the mass exodus of players have cost SOE millions of dollers, and that SOE has been folded into SCE I would have to say that the vet community has had quite a bit of an effect.

I want SWG to die just due to principle. I am a stern supporter in capitalism and I believe that a community of players like ourselves taking down a corrupt company like SOE and their 2nd rate (at best) product is the perfect example of the consumer base standing up for itself. Somebody should write a editorial or twelve about this...

 

Collecting tech for your very own Star Wars Galaxies space jalopy

by Michael Zenke Apr 6th 2008 @ 4:00PM

Filed under: Sci-fi, Events, in-game, Patches, Star Wars Galaxies

SWG will become known as the blackhole of MMO based careers. It is kind of sad considering the fact that there is no reason for the game to be as unfinished as it is.

Can't say im suprised...aren't all SWG buggy as hell by principle at this point?

Honestly this is one of the few times that I would let a company like LA clai, ignorance. They don't/didn't know crap about MMOs, they trusted the Smedster to know what he was doing.

I am 17, I play MMOs (currently playing EVE), and I went to college 2 years early.  All teens are not stupid enough to invest their entire life playing video games. If they are then its the parents responsibility to keep them active.

Honestly the MMO playing teens are not the ones that most worry me about my generation. All my friends that play MMOs have some of the top GPA and SAT scores in the school. Its the lazy stoner teens who do absolutely nothing that worry me.

Its is not illegal to state opinions or observations about a publicly traded companies or its heads. What is illegal is knowingly lying to consumers by holding back information necessary for them to make informed purchasing decisions.

Now SOE had the right not to tell anybody about the NGE or keeping the CU. They did not have the right however to knowingly lie about the usefulness about the expansion while knowing that it would be rendered mostly useless by the NGE. If they had stopped selling the expansion or even hinted at the release of the NGE and its properties they would not be legally responsible. Knowingly selling a product that you are immediatly going to render pointless is fraud. Though I would have to do more research it probably goes against a number of consumer rights laws.

In other words companies have the right to withold information. They do not have the right to lie or misrepresent information to their consumers and stockholders.

Phyluxia get your butt of the forum. If you dont like it don't read it. MMORPG.com made the Veterens Refuge so we could air these grievences. If u have a problem with that then please do not come into this particular forum and don't look at any of the threads.