Originally posted by xKingdomx

If the game is good, I'll still buy it, then treat it like Skyrim and play it as open world adventure with nice combat system for a month.

Whats the big deal?

Oh this is the internet.

Never said the game was good. Even so, it's not worth full box price + sub fee. That is my point which has nothing to do with being on the internet. =P

Technically it's 0. Subs really wont start till Jan. 20th.

Originally posted by stealthbr

Originally posted by Otakun

Originally posted by stealthbr
What you are seeing is a vocal minority that is absolute in its intention to proclaim innovation as the industry's savior. This is unavoidable and occurs in literally every single genre. What these proclaimers fail to observe, however, is that the most enjoyed and successful games do not focus on being innovative, they focus on being fun. Just take a look at the industry's most renowned titles: Call of Duty, Halo, Starcraft, Diablo, World of Warcraft, etc. Change for the sake of change is unnecessary.

Each one of those games you listed came out in times when features or gameplay they had did make them stand out when they were first released. What feature / gameplay element does SWTOR that makes it stand out? Voice Overs? Not enough for it to last for more then a month.

 

Um....... What???? lololololol what features make mw3, halo 3, starcraft 2, WoW to be considered innovative at the time of their releases?

You obviously didnt read what I put then. "When they were first released" as for WoW, it pioneered the solo MMO gameplay which is now being imitated by every new MMO since. So yeah. Maybe instead of acting like 4chan reject, maybe you should actually learn what made these games stand out to begin with that allowed them to get mediocre sequals/ripoffs.

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by Otakun

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Just cause Skyrim is an RPG doesn't mean it plays the same as other RPGs. Final Fantasy is an RPG but it doesn't play like Skyrim.

Out of all the RPG's out there IMO Skyrim, Oblivion and Morrowind are the closest single-player games you'll get to a themepark MMO experience. Sure they play differently in terms of combat, and options to the player ( stealing, killing, jail, etc). In a round about way though TES games are basically the shy mans MMO. All IMO of course...

While your statement and opinion are true, that wasn't the point of my reply.

Originally posted by stealthbr
What you are seeing is a vocal minority that is absolute in its intention to proclaim innovation as the industry's savior. This is unavoidable and occurs in literally every single genre. What these proclaimers fail to observe, however, is that the most enjoyed and successful games do not focus on being innovative, they focus on being fun. Just take a look at the industry's most renowned titles: Call of Duty, Halo, Starcraft, Diablo, World of Warcraft, etc. Change for the sake of change is unnecessary.

Each one of those games you listed came out in times when features or gameplay they had did make them stand out when they were first released. What feature / gameplay element does SWTOR that makes it stand out? Voice Overs? Not enough for it to last for more then a month.

Originally posted by PyrateLV

Originally posted by Lowcaian

Originally posted by darker70

Originally posted by Fearmeirl

I knew it wouldnt be a great game since its based off Star Wars and such but is the gameplay and PvP really as bad as people make it out to be?

I really don't get that at all some of the best games on PC were based on the Star wars IP:infact many cite the original SWG as the best sandbox Mo game ever, as were the X-wing games and Kotor series some of the best single player games.

i don't see this as trolling But if u want to make a statement make sure u get your facts straight or it's flame on i'm afraid,and nope it's not that bad just very generic hopefully it will grow in time.

It might depend, loved SWG and there was a time when I really looked forward to the next Star Wars game, Tie Fighter, Xwing Alliance, Jedi Knight and then SWG as the latest but in all honestly most of what has come out from LA the last years has been mediocre. They lost their way and I blame the prequels as the turning point.

SWG= EP 4,5,6. Old, clunky but unique and innovative

SW:TOR= EP1,2,3 Big $$$, Flashy, but shallow ,linear and souless

Agreed. +1

It's a mediocre game that needs work for it to stand out more in an overblown MMO market.

Originally posted by eddieg50

Originally posted by Teala

Originally posted by eddieg50

Originally posted by sanosukex

Originally posted by Fearmeirl

I knew it wouldnt be a great game since its based off Star Wars and such but is the gameplay and PvP really as bad as people make it out to be?

if you are interested in game for PVP and are the type thats tired of rift and wows pvp you probably won't enjoy this games pvp very long.. if yo liked KOTOR and bioware's other games like dragon age and mass effect you will enjoy the game

   Agreed, skyrim, me, me 2, ddragon age, etc , if you like those games you will prob like this

You put Skyrim in this list?  Skyrim is nothing like ME, ME2, Dragon Age...nothing at all like them.  LOL!

     Skyrim is not a shooting game like Me or me 2 but it certainly is a role playing game like those , they have quests , instead of useing guns they use swords or powers like the characters in me or me 2 use. if you do not think that skyrim is a rpg like me or me2 or dragon age than you need to go back and replay, sorry dude your wrong, but I have read some other posts by you and you are usually wrong

Just cause Skyrim is an RPG doesn't mean it plays the same as other RPGs. Final Fantasy is an RPG but it doesn't play like Skyrim.

It's not bad but it's not good either. It's mediocre and for how much money they invested in it, it should have been much better then a WoW clone with VOs.

Can i haz yous stuffz?

Funny, the day I sign up for this is the day I get a DotA2 beta invite. Though this seem more of my style then DotA.

Originally posted by free2play

Originally posted by Otakun

Originally posted by free2play

Originally posted by Otakun

Originally posted by free2play

Originally posted by Otakun

Originally posted by free2play

 You are still doing it. You can't disagree with people without being a rude, anti social freak? You come on a forum and dictate the law, you are all wise and full of information and everyone else is an ignorant moron, then wonder why someone might snap at you? Go outside for a few minutes a day.

Read your own original reply to me. You are going to tell me it didn't stink of high browing? Why is so painfull to be polite on a forum?

On topic, if they made the game with a huge budget, do you really think the end publishing goal was exclusive to Korea or a closed server Japan? They were prototype launches. They planned from day one to release this game global. This is phase three of a 3 phase launch program. Costing after global release will make them money. I don't thinke BHS ever expected to make thier money back from Korea alone. There was never an audience in Korea to recover investments. Using my initial example, had the show Lost Girl spent 12 million per episode never planning to branch out beyond Canada then yes, that would make it a failure. Because the costs per episode were under 100K they make money witha  600K audience. You decided to not even see things from my point of view and went straight to belittlement. You got what you deserved. Cry moar.

If you are concerned about someone acting "high brow" on the internet then you need to remember that the internet is full of random no name people who mean nothing to your normal day life and if you are bothered by how random guy talks to you then it seems that you are the one with the problem. Maybe you should look into that issue before posting again.

But on topic, your example makes no sense. The idea of being high budget and not making as much back as they assumed has nothing to do with future endeavors. They were forced to release early cause of investor reasons not cause of some simple idea of a "prototype launch". It's very self centered to think that everything is just for the 'global launch' and everything else is just testing. For one thing, there is no 'global launch'. There is a NA release and a EU release which are both seperate by 2 different publishers. By your example, then they would have never been forced to release early in Korea and in Japan and have a set date for the western release which there wasn't, it was pushed back cause they knew the product was not finished. I decided not to see things from your POV cause your POV is flawed and you are too short sighted to see cause there are other factors that you have not taken into account.

So, yeah, maybe you should spend a week or two to actual read up on what's going on with TERA instead of spouting off some crap about a lame TV show and act like the the production of some low budget TV show is the same as the production of the most expensive MMO ever developed in Korea.

 I still don't see this as a failure in Korea and the reasoning is given. I do respect that forums are inadequate in some ways and flame wars rise up over how something is interpreted and it's usually a false interpreting. I find a forum is like a bar. I never go in with an expactation. We might all sit there and laugh, get drunk and go home or we might end up beating beer bottles over each others heads. When the latter happens, you either leave or start swinging.

I still can't see EME putting huge amounts of money in to Tera for a Korean only launch. South Korea only has 50 million people. There simply is not a big enough population there to justify it. Releasing it early would give them a public audience and a working subscription base to see where they needed to finish and what was acceptable. They can only simulate so much during production. At some point they need to release to fix thier mistakes. It would suck to be South Korean and to have purchased Tera to open beta test it but I think that's what they did really.

In Korea, you don't buy a box product. Alls you do is make an account and pay for the sub. Anyone could play the open beta for free, like I did. Success in Korea is not rated on box sales or sub numbers. It's rated on hours played a month. This is why I mention about doing your research.

Originally posted by free2play

Originally posted by Netspook

Originally posted by free2play

Why is so painfull to be polite on a forum?

 

Weird question from someone calling a quoted poster all sorts of names.

 Read his original Quote. He came here looking for a fight, he got one. You are welcome to join in.

I was just pointing out how you were acting. You were the one who took offense to it, so it was you who was looking for a fight.

Originally posted by free2play

Originally posted by Otakun

Originally posted by free2play

Originally posted by Otakun

Originally posted by free2play

 You are still doing it. You can't disagree with people without being a rude, anti social freak? You come on a forum and dictate the law, you are all wise and full of information and everyone else is an ignorant moron, then wonder why someone might snap at you? Go outside for a few minutes a day.

Read your own original reply to me. You are going to tell me it didn't stink of high browing? Why is so painfull to be polite on a forum?

On topic, if they made the game with a huge budget, do you really think the end publishing goal was exclusive to Korea or a closed server Japan? They were prototype launches. They planned from day one to release this game global. This is phase three of a 3 phase launch program. Costing after global release will make them money. I don't thinke BHS ever expected to make thier money back from Korea alone. There was never an audience in Korea to recover investments. Using my initial example, had the show Lost Girl spent 12 million per episode never planning to branch out beyond Canada then yes, that would make it a failure. Because the costs per episode were under 100K they make money witha  600K audience. You decided to not even see things from my point of view and went straight to belittlement. You got what you deserved. Cry moar.

If you are concerned about someone acting "high brow" on the internet then you need to remember that the internet is full of random no name people who mean nothing to your normal day life and if you are bothered by how random guy talks to you then it seems that you are the one with the problem. Maybe you should look into that issue before posting again.

But on topic, your example makes no sense. The idea of being high budget and not making as much back as they assumed has nothing to do with future endeavors. They were forced to release early cause of investor reasons not cause of some simple idea of a "prototype launch". It's very self centered to think that everything is just for the 'global launch' and everything else is just testing. For one thing, there is no 'global launch'. There is a NA release and a EU release which are both seperate by 2 different publishers. By your example, then they would have never been forced to release early in Korea and in Japan and have a set date for the western release which there wasn't, it was pushed back cause they knew the product was not finished. I decided not to see things from your POV cause your POV is flawed and you are too short sighted to see cause there are other factors that you have not taken into account.

So, yeah, maybe you should spend a week or two to actual read up on what's going on with TERA instead of spouting off some crap about a lame TV show and act like the the production of some low budget TV show is the same as the production of the most expensive MMO ever developed in Korea.

Originally posted by free2play

Originally posted by Otakun

Originally posted by free2play

There is a TV show in Canada called Lost Girl. The show was exclusive to Canada and gets between 600 and 700K viewers every week.

By US standards that's epic fail. According to Fox, Fringe at 4 million viewers doesn't earn prime time. Lost Girl on the other hand has more viewers than any other show in its group by Canadian standards.

So "Tera fail" is very much an Optic. Saying Tera fails using US projections in Korea is like saying Lost Girl failed. Unless you can show me other MMO's that launched in Korea alone that make Tera a failed launch, you are comparing apples to oranges.

If you are going to throw out an example to explain your silly argument then at least make sure to have all the facts involved to do so. TERA isn't considered fail cause of US projections. It's fail cause it's not doing well in comparison to the cost of it's production. They are only sticking to P2P cause they believe that western box sales will boost it's earnings which I highly doubt it will.

 Oh, the game was over budget. That's a good excuse to look down your nose at people and be rude and smug. Crawl back under your rock for 10 more years you immature freak of nature.

I wasn't looking down at anyone. Don't get your panties in a wad cause you don't know how to handle someone who actually does research into what they talk about before posting.  Your response only proves that you are the immature one, having to resort to name calling cause your faulty logic has failed you. Move along now before you make yourself look more like a child. Also, didn't say the game went over budget, I said the game didn't bring in as much in comparison to what it has spent to make it. That is not over budget. Going over budget means they spent more then they expected to during production which was never mentioned. If you are going to act like a fool by saying that I am looking down at you for some silly excuse at least get your terms right.

Originally posted by Czanrei

Looks like an awesome system but required to be a guild leader could be bad because member votes could be exploited with alt.

 

The exploit people did was befriend a guild on another server and then make characters on each others servers to vote for the other. Thats why they had to raise the level requirement to vote in it now.

Originally posted by elsdragon

Im rather looking forward to the release of tera here in NA.

yes currently there is a major lack in endgame content. yet the game does offer more into it's own replay value.

i only say these because there is the political system. get into a large enough and/or active enouth guild. then there's continual progression to each independant city/provance in the world that can keep things new. (atleast to me).

the changes they are doing to the PVP rules where a much welcome change. even with the little information i looked over i think they might be able to catch up on it to help other's keep an interest into the game on that front.

 

im just a little worryed that the game will sadly turn into an mmo version of monster hunter and wow...... collect everything in sight and have a cap lvled toon in 2 days....

The political system is pointless to most unless you are a guild leader or going to PVP in battlegrounds all day. Even then, it's only worth it if you own the end game territory where everyone goes and spends their money.

The PvP rules changes basically allows max level people to do a quest so they can PvP other max level people with a drawback if you kill like 500 people without getting killed yourself. Seems useless to me.

Originally posted by Ares767

Originally posted by DannyGlover

I was under the impression that it launched in Korea with very little content. I may be way off the mark though.

This is exactly what i've read as well.  The game did not have enough content on its release to be successful.  Though I am sure there is probably some other things as well.

Barely any content, easy leveling curve (even for western standards), broken PvP, broken political system and RNG enchanting that is needed to do harder dungeons.

Originally posted by Kuraphimaru

Oh shit, that was awesome. I didn't even know that mobs could also dodge attacks in Tera

.... you serious? *facepalm*

Originally posted by Doggett

There's so much hate going on, can't really take it serious anymore.

I realise that most people are having to much fun ingame to come here and post, but geez can we atleast get some positivity in here.

 

Actually nvm, don't know why I posted this, back to the game....

So, the forums are a joke now cause people dislike a game you like? Hold on, let's get the internet police involved about your pressing concern.