Originally posted by Loolee

Originally posted by jayarte

There is nothing faintly amusing about any kind of abuse, 

 

Apparently, you've never seen the Three Stooges. 

Granted, that's a subset of comedy called "slapstick", and its different than what Jayarte had an issue with, but Jonrd has pretty much said what I was thinking best.

I've never had a sibling or loved one beat by their spouses, thank god, because frankly like he said he did, I'd be all over that guy like a couple of mafia-types on the legs of a guy who owes them money. And while I can see Jay's point, they lost me when they decided to claim Jon found it humorous what happened to his sister, its one thing to assume someone finds humour in abusive relationships, but its a whole other ballpark when you try and make it a kind of personal attack like that.

End point, it was a shock joke, that's it. It was meant to cause some response even if the other jokes fell flat, and obviously it worked. And the thing about shock jokes is that they only work once (per article), hence why it's the ONLY one on the list. Maybe the picture was a bit much, but that's at the discretion of the article writer and site owners to decide.

But hey, if they have an issue with "battered housewife", we could always call them "The Stockholmers"!

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Not sure why posters have great fun pigeonholing people into catagories.  Guilds to me are groups that help each other out and do the multiplayer quests.  It is a game and delving deeper than that is a waste of time.  I play games to have fun, not worry about who I am playing with.

Did you hear that...? That "whoosh" noise? That was the sound of a satirical article fluttering over your head.

As for the article, I don't know if I should feel bad about laughing at the Spousal abuse joke... specially the note at the end... Mr. Howling I believe you have moved my allignment a little closer to Chaotic Evil now...

Guild Wars 2: Where San-Mesmer Shouts "Mes-ma-ru-me-ha!" At Charrgeta.

Guild Wars 2: Asura Tested, GLaDOS Approved.

Guild Wars 2: Norn! Your's is the bear spirit that will claw out the very sky!

Guild Wars 2: Keyboard Charr (seriously, with all the instrument emotes in GW1, Charr NEED a /keyboard!)

Guild Wars 2: Sylvari presented by Pale Tree Garden Network

Originally posted by ZeGerman

The business model of monthly fees dictates whether it's an MMORPG or not? Look the cost of server farms has gone way down since MMOs began while the monthly fees have either stayed the same or increased. If you can show me math-wise why the monthly fee is necessary maybe I'll buy into it. The GW model releases a box every 6mo this benefits both the company and the customer as there is new revenue for the company and new content for the customer. I'm sure they have done the math and know this will work or they wouldn't have bothered trying to make GW2.  Further what is the limited scope? They intend on releasing a full blown MMO.

 

 

They will not release a box every 6mo, they spend way way to much time on development to do that. GW1 was not a high budget game so they did not put in the level of work that they are putting into GW2 that is why they were able to release so many boxes.  It is almost garenteed that to make money GW2 will have a vanity item mall and will generate most of their money off of that.

Wrong. They aren't releasing a new expansion box every several months because it doesn't work content-wise for them. As admitted before by them, the sole reason GW: Eyes of the North existed was because of this. They took GW: Utopia and broke it up into EotN as an expansion, so it could lead up to a sequel which had their major ideas incorporated. It was't because of a lack of budget or anything your opinion thinks.

Also, considering the fact GW 1 has an "item shop" so to speak, and they have come out and said several times GW2 will have one as well, that last sentence is completely moot. There is no "guarantee", its been confirmed for god knows how long. And yes, it will indeed have vanity items, just like the current one has.

Besides, since they are getting sales from boxes, no the NCSoft store won't be the sole source of profit.

Originally posted by wormywyrm

I love and am looking forward to GW2.

However, GW1 had one of the poorest communities out of any MMO I have played, and I expect GW2 won't be much better.  I will still play and enjoy them, but not because of their community.

Let me say again, what GW1 did it did amazingly well, but it just wasnt a community game.  GW2 will probably follow in that...  It is certainly a bit more geared towards community, however.

Here are some features that I think has lead GW1 to having a poor community:

• no monthly fees
• importance of running multiple/alt characters
• no roleplaying tools
• poor focus on persistant world
• simplified gameplay (which I think is amazing and 100% logical)
• mainstream popularity
• one giant server --> no accountability
• poor guild meta game (except for PvP of course, which is simply amazing)
• minimal interaction with other players on reg. basis (no economy, little trading, little to do aside from combat)
• total lack of 'running into' the same players multiple times

If you want to look at a MMO that has community, look at EVE online, SWG, or maybe ArcheAge seems to be doing well.  Want to see a better community than any MMO can muster?  Check out non-MMOs like multiplayer minecraft or really old games like the realm online.  GW?  No, sorry...  And I do say that as a fanboy!

Your first point is completely invalidated thanks to WoW. THAT, in my opinion (which is the keyword and kicker here) had the worst community I've seen, and I've played my way through plenty of MMOs.

Alts? Again, invalid because nearly every game out there has them. EvE Online even has them, seeing as people tend to pay their way in in-game cash to keep the accounts subscribed, and I'm sure you've seen how people can be in that game. I also don't see the importance of having multiple toons in it, seeing as I've done most everything in the game (or tried it) on one character, and I'm sitting pretty nicely in terms of my HoM rewards.

No roleplaying tools? Please do tell how so, instead of a vague statement. Having been in several player-ran events in Guild Wars, there is plenty of creativity displayed in that department.

Poor focus on persistance and simplified gameplay? This is all rather subjective. Honestly I think spamming taunt in WoW is the very definition of simple, while body blocking intelligently in Guild Wars can be rather important. As for the world persistance you really need to ellaborate.

And as for minimal player interaction, again that is subjective. I actually joined a guild, and I get my elephant-sized lion's share of player interaction with them. Perhaps you didn't join a guild then, in which case its as much your fault for not seeking it, as it was ArenaNet for not including some form of zone-chat.

I'm not touching the "no running into same people" thing though, because frankly that doesn't mean squat. Again, having played WoW, I never ran into the same people for the most part, the only time I ever did were in MMOs that tended to have sparse player bases.

I don't know how much of Guild Wars you played, and I don't want to try and make any assumptions, but it sounds like you barely even played the game, much less invested any actual time into it.

Originally posted by Mage_Francis

Originally posted by Cursedsei

Originally posted by JayFiveAlive

Originally posted by zephermarkus

Us tera is censored out the ass anyway they already ruined the game just play ktera or dont play it at all. There is a english patch btw.

Please do backup your statement with some sort of facts :P How is the US version of the game censored out the ass? How is it a ruined game already? Doesn't it come out in May? O_o dooo tell!

Off the top of my head multiple armor sets were modified one way or another, emotes were removed/altered, its all cosmetic though.

 

I wouldn't expect the beta weekends to go over well though, honestly. The European TERA tried to have one, and it shat its heart out before people could even play the game, and they ended up having to cancel the beta weekends until further notice because they have no clue what the issue is.

I doubt the US version is going to be much better off.

The EU version has a totally different publisher then the US.  So there's no use jumping to conclusions based on this past weekend's failure.

And you are acting as if TERA hasn't had any issues before this.

The game in general has been suffering from slip ups. I'm not jumping to conclusions, I'm saying that it would be safe to expect things not to go over smoothly for the US client based on what has happened with the EU and Asian client.

Originally posted by JayFiveAlive

Originally posted by zephermarkus

Us tera is censored out the ass anyway they already ruined the game just play ktera or dont play it at all. There is a english patch btw.

Please do backup your statement with some sort of facts :P How is the US version of the game censored out the ass? How is it a ruined game already? Doesn't it come out in May? O_o dooo tell!

Off the top of my head multiple armor sets were modified one way or another, emotes were removed/altered, its all cosmetic though.

I wouldn't expect the beta weekends to go over well though, honestly. The European TERA tried to have one, and it shat its heart out before people could even play the game, and they ended up having to cancel the beta weekends until further notice because they have no clue what the issue is.

I doubt the US version is going to be much better off.

Originally posted by Diovidius

Originally posted by Mechanism

I was hoping they'd have a monk but make it an actual martial artist. That's a niche they haven't filled yet.

A Martial Artist can easily be added by giving a unarmed option to thieves or warriors. I don't see a real reason to add a compelely new profession based around unarmed combat. But I'm biased against adding any new professions after release. I think Anet should instead focus on adding races and new options to existing professions for the sake of balance.

The monk class wouldn't have to be limtied or based around Unarmed Combat.

Fact of the matter is that monks who did/could fight (such as Shaolin) , had a variety of tools. I know its not the best link for their weapons, but it does present a few options.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Deadliest_Warrior_episodes#Episode_7:_Shaolin_Monk_vs._M.C4.81ori_Warrior

Emei piercers could be daggers, twin hooks are obviously swords, the staff could be a spiritual-based weapon so the class isn't purely physical. Heck, you don't even have to limit yourself to that, weapons of all kinds pop up in Martial Arts flicks.

As for this game, why have a monk in the first place? A support-specialist directly defies the whole point and design of Guild Wars 2. Every class can support and heal, but the fact of the matter is that you don't rely on ONE person for it. It's always been an odd design choice to have one spot in a group at the least dedicated just for the bar-filler. You can't honestly tell me it's fun standing around waiting while you try to find ONE specific type of player.

The fact that you have to actually work together as a group as a whole to support each other, that everyone can revive one another, puts more emphasis on "group play", moreso than the trinity ever did.

Originally posted by watchawatcha

He's going to get burned by the getting stuck with darkside points comment.

But the Corso thing and the story critique was so spot on.  I completely agree.  The smuggler story is rubbish.

 

Eh, there's usually a point or two he tends to overlook in all of his videos. I know I've noticed more than my fair share over the course of his videos. I don't necessarily blame him though for not noticing it, because they could make it much more obvious that you still got the Dark side points even if the action you see was light side.

Originally posted by Swoogie

Originally posted by WhiteLantern

Hmmmm, making a lot of cuts lately. Smells of going against the mantra of "releasing when it is done" and moving to "get it the frick out the door, NOW!"

 

I guess there's always paid expansions for the things being cut.

 

/feeling cynical today

 

I think they are actually cutting stuff to rework it and then release the game. As opposed to removing unfinished features and releasing. There was a blue post about the size of a disertation on this a week ago. 

They aren't, they are cutting this content so they don't have to worry about it when they push the game out on release day. Whether or not it means we see it down the road with the obligatory expansion who knows.

And I'm saying this because this is exactly what happened with Blizzards last major release, WoW: Cataclysm. Remember they gutted out what had to be half of the promised content mentioned in the announcement trailer for release, which led to one of the most dull, uninteresting, utterly horrible Archaeology profession as it is now.

Originally posted by Zeppelin4

I'm surprised you didn't mention Lord Of The Rings Online. That has to go as one of the biggest flops compared to the fame of the books and movies.

Eh, honestly I think Lord of the Rings Online flopped after it went F2P. Not in the conventional sense of course, but the way the game is being handled now, every aspect of it is being boxed up and sold in the store. You want more content to level up through? Have to buy it. You want to be able to use mounts? Have to pay for it. Want items that are required for a mini-game? Have to buy them (because any other way to earn them is inefficient).

There was a perfectly fine game there, it didn't need such a divisive store, but instead Turbine decided they could treat it just like they treat Dungeons and Dragons Online, when in fact they can't. The two MMOs are on opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of how they play, so treating it like the other end was bound to screw things up.

Originally posted by Serelisk

When was Halo on the table for being made into an MMO? o.o

It was a while ago, you can find stuff on that around if you google enough. It didn't get very far if my memory serves right.

And great article Mr. Coyote. It reminded me of why I grabbed fifty copies of the Matrix Online. They are my invincible army, and one day they shall march. It might be Dennis Dyack (though in his ignorance he'd love the game), it might be Peter Molyneux (though he is a lover of horrible design decisions), it might even be you...

That delivery truck outside? That girlscout knocking on your door? You won't know... you'll never know, until you rip open that brown package or shove your hand into that seemingly innocent box of snicker-doodles. They WILL come.

Originally posted by aithieel

Ah, and some of the things, for example opressor weapon you can get by yourself just by playing War of Kryta quest series.

True enough, you get 7 of the 10 medals needed for the Opressor Weapon just from the quest rewards, and are pretty much guaranteed the last 3 with the supplies you earn from the earlier part of the quests.

Originally posted by MikeB

Originally posted by aithieel

Originally posted by MikeB

Ahhhhh...Need to get 30/50! :(

 

It's not THAT hard but it's devourer of time, and It's fun :). 

 

Here's a question for you: I have a friend who has tons of money in the game and can basically help me acquire anything for the HoM that can actually be bought. How far do you think that would get me? And how much time do you think I'd have to put in for the rest of it? :)

Depending on how much money he has...

100 Platinum to outfit all heroes in 1 Alternate Costume for the display purposes.

Destroyer Weapons are roughly 40 Platinum or so, while Oppressor weapons require a stack of 250 War Supplies (goes for 60 Platinum roughly).

Set of Kurzick/Luxon Armor runs around 100 Platinum as well. Luxon and its required Faction-specific material is half the cost of Kurzick though, so you could get it for less. You'll have to put in some time to gain favor with the faction of your choice for this one though, in order to craft armor from them.

Eye of the North displayable armor is relatively cheap as well (I believe its about 60 platinum generally speaking).

You'd have to put a little time in for the Black Moa and Black Widow pets. Moa is a quest in Factions, while Black widows are spawned from completing certain quests in Underworld (you'll need a group for that). The Pheonix pet you'll have to beat Factions and capture it in the extra zone right afterwards since you can't warp there. Fear not though since you just need to beat Shiro again to get there.

So with a full Pet/Hero display, thats 8 points, plus the 3 initial points for 11. If you grab the Kurzick armor, and get a full display for the armor that puts you to 16. Using just the Destroyer and Oppresor weapons to get a full display will nab another 6, bringing you to 22. Beating each campaign should get you up to 5 statues at the least (if you do the bonus missions as well), which is an extra 5 points so you'll be at 27.

You can buy an undedicated Black Moa (Rare pet) for 60 plat, for one point, as well as one point for just having any pet. Which means you'd either need 9 more white minis or one Unique. I don't know the price of any unique mini pets, but lower year white mini pets are cheap, even when undedicated. So... there's 3 points for 30!

Originally posted by Naucano

A glove ? Is that all?

Why not a suit ? With changing leds and build in micromotors with forceback possibility. Should go ninja on your ass together with a kinect equipement. A sort of Crysis armor with extended functionality ? The possibilities would be unendless.

Hm ... and what if you looked to your porn-channel with that ?

You mean a suit like this...?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAtrkMGNp0o

Originally posted by Arquiteto

This does divert attention from the fact that they were supposed to launch in december. Can't wait to try it out. Hopefully sooner than later.

 

The only stated thing about December was that it was going to most likely see the release of the in-game store, as well as another round of beta invites. They have not once said December was going to be the games official release date. Instead, if people ever bothered to actually read anything, that the game will just continue to open up its beta until they just remove the tag and let everyone in.

It's a F2P title anyways, and how many F2P titles are ever "fully" released? 70-80% Just stay in "beta" because there is no point to announce a release date once the shop is open anyways.

Originally posted by nycplayboy78

I  have never played Guild Wars but I am looking forward to Guild Wars 2. So I guess I am assed out then when it comes to having nice armours and shinies....SIGH!!!!

Not at all. Its not too hard to get a decent chunk of points, and again you only really need 30 (technically 27) to get all the "shinies". There's always some player-ran event taking place, or being planned, so checking the Guru site and its event board is bound to lead you to a couple. The player events are one of GW's strong points, and also a good chance to nab a thing or two. The past few I've attended have been giving out large amounts of things for contests or even trivia (like 200 keys for the PvP 3-point title).

Some people just like to make it look like its so bloody difficult. As someone whose against grinding completely I've yet to

1) Grind Vanquishes

2) Grind books

and/or

3) Grind anything.

And yet I'm at 28/50 right now. Was some of it luck? In a way yea, I've nabbed a few free unded mini-pets here or there from people who didn't need them, but that was it. The most I ever grinded was during the New Years festival, and all that really amounted to was doing the new years quest chain on two characters.

30 is actually pretty darn easy to reach, and easier if you have help.

You'll get 3 trophies for just finishing each campaign, as well as 1 trophy per campaign for its NM bonus missions. That there is six for the Honor set.

Right off the bat too, you get 3 free points just for linking accounts, then 2 points for just putting a statue in. Add in those other 5 and you hit "Five displayed", which will net you another 3 points for a full display. That's 8 points for some mostly simple work.

Next easiest to get, I would say, is either a toss up between at least 20 mini-pets and the heroes. Unded white pets can make up the bulk of it since you only 1 rare and 1 unique pet for the two non-number based ones. Miliage to get those will vary but there are still plenty of ways to get some. Worry about white mini's though, since the prices there will range from like... 1 platinum to 5-10plat, depending on the year (might be a bit off on prices for later years though). Don't worry about purple-named pets, you only need the green and yellow.

You can get a Green mini from a scavenging quest (its not too hard to solo for me so far, and I'm almost finished)

The yellows tend to come from events. The new year event is a great chance, since you can easily grind out the fortunes that can give you a celestial pet (yellow). Depending on your luck, you might get more than one too, which you can sell. That's another five points there once you get a unique, rare, and 18 other pets.

The hero/ranger-pet one can be just as easy, if not easier depending on you. You do need a group to take you into Underworld for the Black Widow spider, but the Black Moa can be found through a quest and the phoenix at the Factions end area. These guys will need to be lvled up to 20 before they can be displayed, but its not too hard if you do other things with them out (even dead they gain xp). Plus, they also count for the generic pet display.

That leaves the 25 heroes who you need to unlock their unique armor skins for. MOX comes with his already, so he can be displayed right off the bat. Each armor piece, going for the cheapest, is only about 4-5 plat each, and the only requirement to display them with the armor is to get up to the point you can "Craft" it, as well as getting them to lvl 20. Altogether, this last part will cost you roughly... 100platinum, which is rather nice and cheap.

This puts you at 21 points.

When you go for the armor points, don'g worry about the Kurz/Lux set or specially the Vabbian and Obsidian armor. Instead, aim for the Eye of the North armor sets, since they come about 5plat per piece cheaper than the rest, and the materials are on the cheaper end as well. If you want the unique-point armor, then best bet is definitely the kurz/lux set. Luxon tends to be cheaper than Kurzick to make as well for the most part too so if you can, make sure you got some Luxon love through Factions.

The reason I say avoid the Obsidian and Vabbian armor is, quite frankly, because they are the grindy sets. Obsidian being the worst culprit. The 105 ectos alone will cost upwards of about 600-1000 platinum alone. Vabbian isn't far behind on the price point either.

Also, never grab the helmet if you are just aiming to finish a set. You only need the chest, gloves, legs and boots to display it. So unless you are going to wear the helmet, never craft them.

That puts you at 25-26 points.

If you do the GW beyond content, and did finish a lot of the Eye of the North content, you'll easily have enough to get a couple of weapons. Destroyer weapons can be on the cheaper end, and you are guaranteed at least one Oppressors weapon just for doing War in Kryta. That is 3 points right there.

which means you have 28-29 points!

edit: Also make sure you nab story books too. They can be turned in for Exp and gold/plat (always useful), but several also add to rep. One of the easiest to probably finish would be

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/File:Young_Heroes_of_Tyria.png

You could turn in books to the Lux/Kurz faction until you hit 500k, which will let you display their trophies, then put the rest to Gordon Ecker. You'll likely need 25-30 books in all, but this will nab you the Kurz/Luxon trophy displays, as well as eternal survivor and a good chunk of platinum.

Originally posted by eyelolled

So how does the HoM (lore-wise) work with Sylvari characters?

You remember that one time you got really, REAAALLY smashed next to the pale tree getting your ultimate boozehound title...? Yeah... don't ask, and just feel bad because that one unfortunate Sylvari ended up gaining memories of that rather awkward experience...

And yes, the Pale Tree was upset you never called back.

Originally posted by Requiamer

Honestly i didn't wanted to read the rest of your post Op after the first few sentences, i guess everything can be taken badely. But when you have a decade of a half of mmos that were throwed out the window because they needed to be launched before being finish for financial reasons obviously. And you have some companies says "fuck the investor directives, we'll do it our way because thats our job", then its bad? *roll eyes*

Well, trying to make sense of your post caused a rather painful aneurism to develop in my skull, but...

[Mod Edit]

edit because the mod edit frakked up the entire point of my post:

The article was for the idea of "when it's done", so next time actually read through the article instead of basing it all on the first paragraph, especially when the point of the article is made clear in the very beginning of the second paragraph.