They did not introduce the form of stealth commonly seen throughout other MMO's.

What they added is an (as they are calling it) "Ambush" ability.

--- No massive criticals

--- Costs AP to maintain

--- Short duration

Of course we all know how "trixy" Mythic is on occasion.

I'm sure they had intentions to add such an ability in the past, but did not refer to it as "stealth" due fact that many people would see the word stealth and get the wrong impression.

Hence all of the "No Stealth" talk.

Originally posted by DrEvil263

Sorry but you might want to change the heading to 2nd biggest flop. SOE holds number one for SWG!

It was a great game until they flipped everything around, slapped it on the ass, and said here is our new innovative idea for the game. "Oh the expansion? Well we just thought the NGE were too full of teh win!"

Come on AoC Developers, try to present an image similar to that of your game.

Oh how I "phailed" to see that one coming.

Touche sir.......... touche..........

I disagree.

The rickroll attempt was entirely relevant.

I played WoW for 5 or 6 months during 2006. My main was a 60 gnome warrior and my alt was a 50 NE druid (feral). During PvP combat I had no problem finding a soft target (at full health), stealthing them, and leaving the fight with a victory. Unless they have totally nerfed the classes, yes I know a little about WoW. The fact that I don't follow WoW anymore in no way makes anything else I have said here false.

Now to stealth. 

The reason I refer to DAoC and WoW stealth based classes as a having "complete stealth" (due to complete dependacy on stealth for burst damage and effectiveness) is as follows.

- "Camouflage" is a form of stealth.

- "Complete Stealth" is a form of stealth.

- "Camouflage" =/ "Complete Stealth"

Therefore labeling one as Camo and the other as Stealth is equally, if not more prone to misunderstanding.

But in conclusion, this arguement is simply going to spiral around and around and around due to one person misunderstanding what I was inferring with the labels I used.

Therefore I banish this useless arguement forthwith from the kingdom of this thread.

Originally posted by Krogan

Why is this? From all I have read WAR has nothing new to give us and everything they are trying to add to get a better pvp experiance then WoW (like that is hard) Blizzard is adding with Wrath of the Lich King so as most of us have understood WAR is pretty much dead in the water and while it will release is not going to even offer a nudge to WoW.

All of your PvE contributes to the war effort, so no matter what way you look at it you are helping your realm-mates out on the battlefield with your PvE adventuring. Also, like the poster a few blocks up said, there is alot of PvE content so you should have no problem finding something to experience.

I'm sure you can have a great time playing 100% PvE. Though you may want to help defend your capitol city in the event of a siege because if lost you will lose some of your PvE content in the city (dungeons).

Ano, are you seriously trying to bash someone for providing information to a forumgoer who is obviously misinformed about a few minor important aspects of the game?

Originally posted by Pheace

 

Originally posted by Shifty360

 

Originally posted by Pheace

 

Originally posted by Shifty360

That video is much better and actually shows something.

Far from complete stealth and very temporary, seeing that she only had it up for a few seconds.

 

Because she dropped it of course ^^ + stealth never seems complete from your own point of view.

 

It's clearly intended to make you "disappear from your opponents screen"

 

Of course it bloody makes you disappear, that is why it is a stealth ability.

I am not denying that it is stealth, only that it is not complete stealth.

From my point of view "complete stealth" is becoming entirely invisible, creeping around until ready to pounce for a massive critical that leaves your target defeated (stealthed) or atleast on the brink of death. 

Until someone can find a video of a Witch Hunter / Witch Elf sneaking up behind a unsuspecting foe and popping a massive crit on them, this ability will remain a temporary camo (stealth) ability **from my POV**

 

 

Ok, excuse me for not realizing your totally warped sense of complete stealth then. That would mean druids in WoW don't have "Complete Stealth" as you call it.

 

Complete stealth is total disappearance from screen when used in my opinion, whatever the duration connected to it, regardless of what abilities do or don't come with it when you turn it on. When in history did the wordstealth become connected to the abilities you could use out of it?

 

You're being ridiculous at best here in my opinion or are you just trying your best to make it seem like this is a totally different version of stealth, which of course, in a sense it is, but that still doesn't mean that you can arbritrarily invent new meanings of the word.

 

Yes, druids have complete stealth from "my pov." You can launch a good crit from stealth, and provided that you know what you are doing mop up the remaining health without a problem.

In your opinion is the key word here. I have no idea whether you have played DAoC or not, but players often refer to getting killed by a stealth based class as "being stealthed." The Witch Elf and the Witch Hunter are not stealth based classes, they are melee dps classes with a temporary stealth ability. If they were entirely based off of stealth, then yes they would be using "complete stealth" from "my pov." While playing DAoC I never witnessed another play saying "damn, I just got stealthed by a Minstrel (class with the stealth but no critical strike abilities)."

Only ridiculous because I do not have the same views as you. Yes I am trying to label this as something different because the impatient players who come here will see the word "stealth" and think "Oh damn, I don't want to play if i'm going to get "stealthed" like I did in DAoC or WoW." (afterwards proceeding to run about misinforming others about the game) 

Camouflage is not a new MMO term, it has been around for a while.

Lord of the Rings Online anyone?

Warhammer gets a little attention and the troll comes out of his cave.

Warhammer recently delayed thier game and it was relatively big news, so the coverage of Warhammer has with good reason increased. Prior to that Warhammer info on this site was pretty lacking. 

Would you like a new car with a great engine and no paint job?

of a new car with a no engine and a great paint job?

I have seen some great paint jobs, but sometimes (I don't know why) the engine just makes things "work."

WARHAMMER fits directly in the middle, as it will provide both decent graphics and great gameplay.

Originally posted by Pheace

 

Originally posted by Shifty360

That video is much better and actually shows something.

Far from complete stealth and very temporary, seeing that she only had it up for a few seconds.

 

Because she dropped it of course ^^ + stealth never seems complete from your own point of view.

 

It's clearly intended to make you "disappear from your opponents screen"

Of course it bloody makes you disappear, that is why it is a stealth ability.

I am not denying that it is stealth, only that it is not complete stealth.

From my point of view "complete stealth" is becoming entirely invisible, creeping around until ready to pounce for a massive critical that leaves your target defeated (stealthed) or atleast on the brink of death. 

Until someone can find a video of a Witch Hunter / Witch Elf sneaking up behind a unsuspecting foe and popping a massive crit on them, this ability will remain a temporary camo (stealth) ability **from my POV**

Originally posted by dA_fReAK

 

Originally posted by Shifty360

Well dA_fReAK, there is video on youtube that addresses this matter. It has been on youtube for an extended period of time, and I am very suprised that no one has posted it on the forums here so I will go ahead and do so. It is very informative and has alot of good information regarding the sales of both.

The video can be found here, at this link.

 

 Your welcome in advance.

 

Aha! So you're following my footsteps aye? I didn't fall for it. I check'ed the link at the bottom and I almost KNOW all the RickRoll links at heart!

Clever try young padawan. Keep trying.

 

 

Ahhh yes, I thought I would attempt to get you back for the rickroll a few days ago.

I do believe I made it too obvious, unfortunately.

That video is much better and actually shows something.

Far from complete stealth and very temporary, seeing that she only had it up for a few seconds.

Well dA_fReAK, there is video on youtube that addresses this matter. It has been on youtube for an extended period of time, and I am very suprised that no one has posted it on the forums here so I will go ahead and do so. It is very informative and has alot of good information regarding the sales of both.

The video can be found here, at this link.

 Your welcome in advance.

Definately one of the top Warhammer Videos on the net, if not the best.

I recommend Amazon.com

Awesome video! It was even better than the last TenTonHammer preview.

I miss those old DAoC zone messages, "<name> was killed by a tomb raider leader."