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Originally posted by Warley

First, I'll be honest. I don't play this game nor do I have intentions. But, I don't necessarily want to see it fail either.  I do question  the fact that this game has over 200k 'active' subscriptions.  Here's why:

The game relies heavily on VO and story as its selling point.  From what I've heard, it's pretty good in that area.  However, in other areas (areas that retain and build subscribers), I've heard nothing but bad and negative things.  It seems that many feel that this area is a poor man's version of WoW.

Considering that, and considering some of the things EA has said; 500k subscriptions to be profitable.  Then, combine that with their latest announcements (laying off staff -twice- and going F2P), you know that they are -at least- below the 500k subscription mark.  Then, active paying subscriptions are different than subscriptions.  Ultimately, I think around 200k active paying subscriptions is a fairly accurate number.

Here is the biggest concern I think that SWTOR supporters should have:  If that the subscription numbers were stable at even 200k subscriptions I don't think we'd be hearing about F2P from EA. I really do believe that subscription numbers are falling fast, and EA is predicting that that number will fall even further.

This is the only explanation for F2P.  200k active paying subscriptions equals $3 million a month or $36 million a year, minus operational costs of course.  Even still, that's a substantially high number that any business person would be foolish to mess with.  Especially considering that SWTOR has failed to meet expectations.

Again, I'd be surprised if EA has over 200k active paying subscriptions for SWTOR at this point.

 I'm a business person. i work for a business that spends this on office supplies annually.

Oh yeah, there's that thing called relativity.

Originally posted by Karteli

I did an inquisitor, after having played a different imperial to 50 and doing all the WoW'esque gear grinds etc.  I got em to about 30 or so and got really bored of doing the same planet quest chains over again.  I started doing low level PVP with em, but that got old real fast too, so I stopped playing 'em, and eventually stopped logging into the game as well.

 

Rolling alts is a really boring experience for me.  I would rather the game had better end game besides cloning dailies, which were already horrible in other games.  Not being an altoholic I found the legacy a complete waste, when all gamers really wanted was something fun & more Star Wars like .. SW themed minigames, decent 3D space environments, being about to decorate or change landscapes (sandbox), etc.  Also the opportunities for RP were really drab, even on a RP server (some guilds would hold events, but the horrible game engine and sloppy framerates made it mostly unenjoyable, unless you were smashed).

 

So alts weren't really a hit.

Inquisitor...nice. I played one in beta but thats all. I could see myself rolling one though after having this much fun with the shadow.  

Oh and just as a side note;  the second paragraph could have been completely left out. There are plenty of other "give me sandbox, give me open space, give me instant gear" threads that you can complain on.

Thanks

I started as a Sniper and absolutely loved that class. Brought him to 50 and grabbed a bunch of top tier gear for both PvP and PvE. Played a Jug and a Merc as alts but didn't get them to 50.

My friends and I re-rolled on a new server and went republic. Started with an Assault Vanguard and really liked it until i played the Infiltration Jedi Shadow. I am really loving this class now and can't stop playing him. Loving him in both PvP and PvE and can see i will have fun with this one for time to come

Anyone else absolutely loving their re-roll? If so what class and spec?

 

Here's mmy opinion:

In General:

The actual fight versus another player is pretty smoothe. Typically each class has some kind of "increase defenses" ability with a longer cooldown that can be used once during a fight. This combined with a medpac can result in a fight lasting 45 seconds which I find is a satisfying amount of time. I have found in some games that the PvP is too quick, (i.e. you get jumped and before you have time to react you are dead), however with SWTOR I find the combat to be the right amount of time. You have time to react, time to feel out the other player, time to heal, and time to counter.

Warzones:

There are currently 4 Warzones each with a unique objective. 2 are the capture and hold style but with slight differences, one is a "seige" style (i.e. get through a series of gates quick than your opponent), and the 4th is a football style mini game where the goal is to literally carry a ball to the other teams "endzone" through a obstacle course. At 50 there are ranked and unranked warzones, basically the former provides a ranking system and tokens that can be used to purchase aesthetically unique gear. Levels 10-49 are thrown in the same Warzones, however a "bolster" buff is given to lower level characters so their damage and armor is on par with higher levels.

The Warzones are drawn randomly. As mentioned in the above post, Huttball (the football one) was getting drawn quite a bit more than the others, but they have fixed this and it is now rare to get any one twice in a row.

You do receive experience from PvP, so you could technically level your character from 10 to 50 entirely through PvP which is a nice feature that i am currently using with a new character.

In my opinion they are all fun and all present a great opportunity to showcase your PvP skillset. Some classes are more effective than others in certain Warzones, but again the yare drawn randomly so you just roll with it. I really enjoy the PvP and think the animations are accurate and smoothe, and the action is engaging.

World PvP:

While completing quests on various planets you do run into other players of the opposing faction on a regular basis (on my server anyway). I typically fight everyone I see, even if they are a couple of levels ahead, thats just my play style. But I do notice that not everyone is looking for a fight, so sometimes you may not be engaged to fight.

The PvP planet Ilum is pretty much a Ghost town now that they have taken away the PvP quests that were specific to that planet. It was kinda fun when it was in full swing. You'd have 50-75 Imperials versus Republic and basically kill swap to achieve your daily and weekly quests. I think there is a plan to revive this planet, but haven't seen much on this lately.

Overall i think the PvP is fun and i have experienced it with many different classes now. Each play a unique role, but all seem to be very fun and engaging.

Hope that helps.

Is this thread for real?

It's quite sad that this what keeps you up at night

Originally posted by Wickedjelly
Originally posted by Tensor25

Let the kiddies leave; games get much better when they do.

 

 

 Yeah...like that even makes any sense. Felt so petty about needing to throw an insult you decided to throw out logic too eh?

 where is the insult? i see an opinionated observation, but not an insult.

i have now higlighted the insult for your reference. thanks.

I'm actually glad to see the initial wave of 12-18 year old children leave this game. Games get much better when you have a tighter more mature community playing them.  

For one; general chat gets a lot less annoying and you get good useful responses to questions as opposed to the "I once did <insert something so obsecure that you tried way too hard>, but then i took an arrow to the knee".

With every "i'm leaving this game because of <insert overused, unoriginal, whinny excuse here>" I smile just a little bit. Children these days don't know what they want. Parents have spoiled their children rotten and now every child thinks they're owed something and take every opportunity to b*** and moan about it.

Bye bye kiddies. Time to have some good fun.

 

Voted yes.

I'm subbing now and I will continue to sub. Having a blast playing 5 different characters with a group of 5 friends.

I'm in my late 20's and am a casual gamer and a Star Wars fan and from that standpoint this game is just perfect.  We're usally able to log for a couple hours a night and wield a lightsaber, and for us that is just perfect. and i know there there are a lot of other folks out there that feel the same way.

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Originally posted by erictlewis

He tried to sidestep the real question.  Sure you got to bring the payers in, but once they are in you got to keep them.  Something I don't see them doing.

This bs that 40% said it was the sub, what about the 60% I wonder what they had to say.

Yea it is all double speak at this point.  

 Really? You can't figure this one out?

I think it's pretty safe to say that the other 60% just simply did not like the game and would not return unless it was seriously revamped.

So EA's approach is to cater to the 40% who had the stance of "yes i like the game, but i don't want to pay $15 a month for it".

It's pretty obvious that doing away with the monthly subscription is a much easier route than trying to revamp the game for a player base that doesn't know what it wants.

You're welcome for that clarification.

Originally posted by Xiaoki

....and its not pretty.


http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000106278&play=1


The interview was supposed to be about EAs earnings this quarter but it immediately became about SW:TOR going Free to play.

 Actually I think he defended the decision to transition to the hybrid payment system quite well.

Originally posted by Robsolf
Originally posted by thekid1

I love EA double speak. According to EA slipped below one million is the same as well above 500.000.

How is that doublespeak?   Their sub numbers are anywhere from 1-100% higher than 500k.  Split the difference, and JUST THAT DIFFERENCE is more subs than most NA MMOs have.

Or are you saying that there's not much difference between 500k and 1 million?  Do you keep that opinion when you go shopping?

I'd say that probably puts the number at around 600-850k.  Any higher than that, and they'd probably say "nearly a million" subs. 

 I LOL's at this claim too. I don't see doublespeak.

Less than 1MM and greater than 500M.

The fact that they used the terminology of "slipped below 1 million" and "well above 500M" to me means in the 750M-900M range. Pretty health by any NA MMO standards.

Originally posted by noncley

If only EA had more paying subscribers like you two, eh?

 Oh they do. Haven't you heard; less than 1MM but greater than 500M. Pretty solid core wouldn't you say?

I love it. So many holes in so many arguments.

There has been much moaning and groaning over the past few months that EA wouldn't give subscription figures. Heck, there was even a thread on here using a stastistical comparison between Xfire numbers and SWTOR subscriptions. Now EA gives you an idea (Less than 1MM but greater than 500M) and you STILL don't believe it. What is the magic number that would make you believe them? Is it 0? Would 0 make you feel better? At this point why would they lie? obviously the FTP model was not the plan all along. The plan was to have 10MM people subscribing monthly. So yes, the FTP is some sort of admission that things did not go as well as they had planned. Bravo to all you gumshoes out there who solved this mystery.

You really think this will break EA?  Would a company with this much experience in the industry really rely on one game to "make or break" them. News flash they already "made" it. Sure it stings to have a game of this size fall short of expectations, however as mentioned in a previous post, there are plenty of other titles out there to carry this company. Would a company of this magnitude really not have a contingency plan? Would they not take into consideration that they are getting into a highly competitive industry? No, you're right, they probably over looked all of that and made the assumption they would instantly make billions of dollars.

The "Goldman Sachs" argument about them hinting at fudging numbers is one i really had to laugh at. How's that saying go? Something to do with Pot, kettle, and black. Just go ahead and type Goldman Sachs in google and take a look at all the "fraud" and "insider" trading articles that come up. Not to mention the recent Facebook fiasco where Goldman made a nice profit while the common folk lost their shirts. Credible source? Very questionable. Goldman is notorious for calling something a piece of crap to drive down price only to scoop up again at bargain prices. This is their business. They don't look out for small time investors, they look out for themselves.

Some of you really need to step it up a bit here. This is really just common sense.

I just don't understand how so many of you take the extreme negative side of everything and latch on to these weak arguments

Yes, the subscription numbers are  not going as planned, and they may lose some cash on this one. All I know is i logged in last night and saw 10 "very heavy" server statuses even with this announcement out. To me this means there is a pretty solid core of players still interested in this game, and we may see a few come back now that 1-50 is free.

 

Originally posted by winter
Originally posted by Tensor25
Originally posted by Rydeson
Originally posted by Tensor25

Hey guys,

Just thought I'd let you all know that me and a few friends have re-rolled republic and toons and are having a blast.

Basically me and my crew are late 20's with "real" jobs and busy lives, however, we are able to find a couple hours each night (usually quite a bit more on weekends) to quest, run some operations, and PvP a bit.

I guess all the beef with this game comes from the hardcore gamers (which I am not claiming to be). But as far as a casual gamer is concerned; this game has everything we need. We're leveling multiple characters concurrently, and really enjoying the content with each. We find it a great way to actually "hang out" with each other given that we are living in different cities etc.

In any event, I know this game takes a lot of heat on these forums, so I wanted to get a positive post out there.

MTFBWY

 

 

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I'm not sure what you're trying to get at with that statement. But you are correct.

I did say "re-roll". Meaning, at launch I played Imperial and recently made he switch to Repub. And we are STILL enjoying ourselves. Great game.

 I think what he's getting at ferom your post history is you have little if any other MMO experience to compare sw:tor too?

Lets be honest you played imperial at launch, as did i and yes it was fun till the stories ran out at 50 at which point it became boring. Why else would you switch to Republic, you were searching for new content. Once you rach 50 in republic you will be bored again and no that does not make for a great game.

  EA/bioware dropped the ball in that they are not putting out any real new content for the game. Thus those that play more will eat through the content faster and be bored sooner, while those that are more casual will eat through content slower (paying ea more money all the while) But the ending for both is the same. Boredom when the content is finished and theres nothing new as Bioware is effectively laying off most of its developers/designers due it the games poor retention. Don't expect much new anytime soon if ever.

This couldn't be further from the truth. As mentioned I am in my late 20's, ad have been playing MMO's pretty solid for the last 12 years. EQ, EQ2, SWG, WoW, Aion, EVE, to name a few.

In any event, I think someone made the comment earlier in this thread to the effect of people rushing through the content then complaining theres not enough, and at the same token will complain about some end game grind. This is very contradictory to me. Like I said, I've got multiple characters going, I play on average 2-3 hours a night, and am just having a blast.

and come on, $15 bucks a month for 15 hours a week of entertainment?!?! 90 minute movies are almost $20 bucks these days, and most are crap!

Just love here. No need to hate.

Originally posted by Rydeson
Originally posted by Tensor25

Hey guys,

Just thought I'd let you all know that me and a few friends have re-rolled republic and toons and are having a blast.

Basically me and my crew are late 20's with "real" jobs and busy lives, however, we are able to find a couple hours each night (usually quite a bit more on weekends) to quest, run some operations, and PvP a bit.

I guess all the beef with this game comes from the hardcore gamers (which I am not claiming to be). But as far as a casual gamer is concerned; this game has everything we need. We're leveling multiple characters concurrently, and really enjoying the content with each. We find it a great way to actually "hang out" with each other given that we are living in different cities etc.

In any event, I know this game takes a lot of heat on these forums, so I wanted to get a positive post out there.

MTFBWY

 

 

[mod edit]

I'm not sure what you're trying to get at with that statement. But you are correct.

I did say "re-roll". Meaning, at launch I played Imperial and recently made he switch to Repub. And we are STILL enjoying ourselves. Great game.

Hey guys,

Just thought I'd let you all know that me and a few friends have re-rolled republic and toons and are having a blast.

Basically me and my crew are late 20's with "real" jobs and busy lives, however, we are able to find a couple hours each night (usually quite a bit more on weekends) to quest, run some operations, and PvP a bit.

I guess all the beef with this game comes from the hardcore gamers (which I am not claiming to be). But as far as a casual gamer is concerned; this game has everything we need. We're leveling multiple characters concurrently, and really enjoying the content with each. We find it a great way to actually "hang out" with each other given that we are living in different cities etc.

In any event, I know this game takes a lot of heat on these forums, so I wanted to get a positive post out there.

MTFBWY

 

 

Originally posted by Creslin321
Originally posted by gervaise1
Originally posted by Tensor25

Xfire data can not be relied on. Not everyone uses it nor does anyone know what percentage of the population does. Therefore the only conclusion that can be made from a declining xfire number, is that less people are using xfire.  

Facts: SWTOR subs are declining. <-- This is all we know for sure.

What we don't know: Exact number of subs. The breakeven point (i.e. number of subs to warrant continued operation of the game in its current state).

Opinion: I didn't know what the f*** xfire even was until I saw this thread. I dont use it. None of my friends (that play SWTOR) use it. I am a casual player in my late 20's that gets on the game 3 times a week, 4 if i'm lucky. Paying the monthly subscription is not an issue for me. Even if I didn't play the game for a month or two in all likelyhood my sub will continue. My friends are in a similar situation as me. Late 20's, early 30's employed, (not living pay check to pay check) and paying the sub is a complete after thought (it's $15 buck a month). I have met many people in game that have are in a similar situation

Bottom line: Because this game is star wars, there are many "older" players like my self that will give BW my credit card number and let them ding me for that $15 a month for a long time to come. My opinion is that there are many individuals like this that play this game, which will add to its longevity and keep a steady sub/player base.

There has already been a response to your lack of knowledge - we all live and learn - but what I will add is this:

Every poster, imo, dismissed XFire to a certain extent.  No one wanted to say that SWTOR was a disaster. So we spoke of trends and erred on the side of caution.

Yet in the first 5 months the XFire number dropped about 80% and subsequemtly EA closed 90% of the servers. 

It is very difficult to deny that XFire has has proved itself to be to accurate to simply dismiss. Subs have not simply declined they have been decimated. By EA's own data the game will not make a profit. And by EA's own data it probably isn't covering its operating costs.

But hey - roll on the $150 sub. They have your credit card details and it will be cheap entertainment yes? That way they can get by on 50k subs.

 I think that people like to dismiss or discredit XFire when it doesn't agree with their argument ;).

 I think that you like to ride coat tails and refuse to read. As I did state as a FACT: SWTOR SUBS ARE DECLINING.

I discredit Xfire in this scenario because its not credible information. Understand? If not see my repsonse gervaise1

Originally posted by gervaise1
Originally posted by Tensor25

Xfire data can not be relied on. Not everyone uses it nor does anyone know what percentage of the population does. Therefore the only conclusion that can be made from a declining xfire number, is that less people are using xfire.  

Facts: SWTOR subs are declining. <-- This is all we know for sure.

What we don't know: Exact number of subs. The breakeven point (i.e. number of subs to warrant continued operation of the game in its current state).

Opinion: I didn't know what the f*** xfire even was until I saw this thread. I dont use it. None of my friends (that play SWTOR) use it. I am a casual player in my late 20's that gets on the game 3 times a week, 4 if i'm lucky. Paying the monthly subscription is not an issue for me. Even if I didn't play the game for a month or two in all likelyhood my sub will continue. My friends are in a similar situation as me. Late 20's, early 30's employed, (not living pay check to pay check) and paying the sub is a complete after thought (it's $15 buck a month). I have met many people in game that have are in a similar situation

Bottom line: Because this game is star wars, there are many "older" players like my self that will give BW my credit card number and let them ding me for that $15 a month for a long time to come. My opinion is that there are many individuals like this that play this game, which will add to its longevity and keep a steady sub/player base.

There has already been a response to your lack of knowledge - we all live and learn - but what I will add is this:

Every poster (myself included), imo, "dismissed" XFire to a certain extent.  No one wanted to say that SWTOR was a disaster. So we spoke of trends and erred on the side of caution if any prediction at all was made.

Yet in the first 5 months the XFire number dropped about 80% and subsequemtly EA closed 90% of the servers. 

It is very difficult to deny that XFire has has proved itself to be to accurate to simply dismiss. Subs have not simply declined they have been decimated. By EA's own data the game will not make a profit. And by EA's own data it probably isn't covering its operating costs.

But hey - roll on the $150 sub. They have your credit card details and it will be cheap entertainment yes? That way they can get by on 50k subs.

 My lack of knowledge is mild in comparison to your lack of judgement.

The 4th line of my post suggests that I do agree with the fact that SWTOR subs are declining. I never questioned that. However, I don't beleive the rate of decline in use of Xfire is indicative of rate at which SWTOR subs are declining. I work in an environment where careers are made and lost over decisions made on RELIABLE data. And yes, decimal points DO count. In this respect I think it is irresponsible to say with 100% certainty that because Xfire decreased by "x", SWTOR subs decreased by "y" as the information to confirm same is not readily available. Yes this is splitting hairs, but I love accuracy.

And yes, it is cheap entertainment.

  

Xfire data can not be relied on. Not everyone uses it nor does anyone know what percentage of the population does. Therefore the only conclusion that can be made from a declining xfire number, is that less people are using xfire.  

Facts: SWTOR subs are declining. <-- This is all we know for sure.

What we don't know: Exact number of subs. The breakeven point (i.e. number of subs to warrant continued operation of the game in its current state).

Opinion: I didn't know what the f*** xfire even was until I saw this thread. I dont use it. None of my friends (that play SWTOR) use it. I am a casual player in my late 20's that gets on the game 3 times a week, 4 if i'm lucky. Paying the monthly subscription is not an issue for me. Even if I didn't play the game for a month or two in all likelyhood my sub will continue. My friends are in a similar situation as me. Late 20's, early 30's employed, (not living pay check to pay check) and paying the sub is a complete after thought (it's $15 buck a month). I have met many people in game that have are in a similar situation

Bottom line: Because this game is star wars, there are many "older" players like my self that will give BW my credit card number and let them ding me for that $15 a month for a long time to come. My opinion is that there are many individuals like this that play this game, which will add to its longevity and keep a steady sub/player base.

Yeah baby. Can't wait for launch!!

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