Originally posted by baff

COD4 is not a PC game released on the console. COD4 is a console game released on the PC. It is a console port, not a PC port. Just as with Elder scrolls, these games have been designed with the lowest common denominator in mind. It runs on both because it is made to run on both.

If you really want to see the difference, you must compare games that weren't. So while COD4 can run on both a console and a PC, Cryssis, released at the same time and also an FPS, can't.

A very valid point, which should be used when comparing all games across the PS3/360/PC. All games made for any of these platforms are made, limited by the lowest common nominator, usually not the PC as it is scalable. It depends on the developers and their skill with the different consoles.

Originally posted by Fion

Adversely I don't see Console gamers buying 6-12 year old games either, or 2 year old games. Console games have an incredibly limited lifespan. There sales usually spike like crazy in the first two months, but by the 6th month mark, they are all but flat. Many PC games, very often RPGs and Strategy games, continue to sell for years. The reason for this is that PC games can be modded, new maps can be made, new levels, new conversions. Hell there are still GREAT mods being made for Quake 3!

Just putting in a little note here, modding is now open for the PS3 on the UT3 engine, mods will be coming to the consoles

Originally posted by mrw0lf

Once piracy is as simple on consoles as it is on PC's (no matter how many new consoles they bring out eventually it will always be cracked perma) consoles will die, in a month. It has no other purpose and will become redundant.

PC games that selling 1mil+ untis when you can get it for free, this just isn't going to happen with those numbers for consoles. The figures suggest that more people played cod4 on console than PC, that simply insn't a reflection of what I see at all. Nearly every single one of my freinds played cod on pc, only a handful actually bought it though.

PC's are for indepth, immersive, realistic  entertainment. Consoles are a plug n play laff with your mates before or after getting assfaced down the pub with your mates.

And what makes you think they will be permabanned? I'm sure that Sony and M$ does whatever they can to keep piracy out of their consoles. And so far, they've done a pretty good job, it's only Nintendo who is in the dangerzone

Originally posted by Naryysys

 The Xbox was released in North America November 15, 2001 (as listed on Wikipedia).  The 360 was released in North America November 22, 2005.  That's four years.  If I keep my computer for around three years (as I generally do before thinking about doing major upgrading or buying a new one), I don't see a huge difference in the time I get from either platform.  And, as I said before, I can buy one piece of hardware as opposed to an entirely new console.

But there is still a huge difference here. Where your PC might be able to go the distance for three to four years before you do a major upgrade, the graphic quality of the games you're playing will start to fall once you reach the best your PC can do. But on the console games will only keep getting better and better graphicly, as the game designers learn to use the power of the console to its full extent. There is of course a difference from game to game, depending on how much the people behind want to focus on bringing out graphics, but the console is what sets the limit, and you will NEVER have a game that makes you think "I need to upgrade so I can see this in a higher resolution" and so on...

Originally posted by Cola

 

Originally posted by Rainbird

 

Originally posted by Cola

I was hooked on PC gaming many years ago when I played Pool of Radiance and Wasteland on my commoodore 64. For those of you that dont know.....that was DECADES ago.

But CONSOLEs will rule the future of mmorpgs.

maybe not today

maybe not tommorrow

but sometime in the very near future

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And just wait till the next gen consoles come out

The console companies KNOW about mmorpgs more then you think. Its just a matter of time now.

Like it or not

 

My eyes are bleeding... Write like a human!

Anyway, in response to that load of reckless typing

I DO infact have a better gaming rig, quad core, 2*8800 GT and so on, so that argument is fucked.

And how can you say "And just wait till the next gen consoles come out"? You might have noticed a little problem Sony had when they launched the PS3. It had many extra features and so much more power than the 360, and so it cost a lot more! Cost is an important factor here. When you say what you say, you think the next line up of consoles will be as good as a 2k gaming rig, and they wont because people don't want to pay for all that. If they did, they'd buy a PC.

I am typing, not writing

 

Gratz, I suppose everyone has a rig like yours or better

Your right, PCs never have LITTLE problems

Your really killing your argument now, maybe people dont wanna fork out $2 or $3000 for a  rig

Thank you, big improvement on the your typing

Okay first of all, you need to be able to see irony. Sony had quite a problem with their prices until they released the 40 GB version of the PS3.

No person would ever go out and buy a PC with only 40 GB HDD, a console will never 'replace' the PC in any of its function. We might see a device that combines the two, but that's the closest.

That's why I'm saying, if tpeople wanted to pay a lot of money for a strong console, and only wanted a simple computer they would buy that, but the people who pay for strong computers probably does other stuff on their rigs too. 3D-rendering, Photoshop, video editing and so on.

Besides, your "It amazes me to hear people say that Consoles do not have keyboards and hard drives when in fact, the xbox 360 and PS III are probally alot better then alot of gaming rigs that some of you own, although you would not admit it."-argument is useless. What does keyboards have to do with hardware performance? Nothing, people talk about keyboard and mouse as superior to the ordinary controller. And it is. If you put up some guy playing on a K&M against someone on a controller, the K&M-guy would better chances of winning, do to a greater amount of control.

Originally posted by Cola

I was hooked on PC gaming many years ago when I played Pool of Radiance and Wasteland on my commoodore 64. For those of you that dont know.....that was DECADES ago.

But CONSOLEs will rule the future of mmorpgs.

maybe not today

maybe not tommorrow

but sometime in the very near future

It amazes me to hear people say that Consoles do not have keyboards and hard drives when in fact, the xbox 360 and PS III are probally alot better then alot of gaming rigs that some of you own, although you would not admit it.

And just wait till the next gen consoles come out

The console companies KNOW about mmorpgs more then you think. Its just a matter of time now.

Like it or not

My eyes are bleeding... Write like a human!

Anyway, in response to that load of reckless typing

I DO infact have a better gaming rig, quad core, 2*8800 GT and so on, so that argument is fucked.

And how can you say "And just wait till the next gen consoles come out"? You might have noticed a little problem Sony had when they launched the PS3. It had many extra features and so much more power than the 360, and so it cost a lot more! Cost is an important factor here. When you say what you say, you think the next line up of consoles will be as good as a 2k gaming rig, and they wont because people don't want to pay for all that. If they did, they'd buy a PC.

Originally posted by goneglockin

 

Originally posted by Desetes

NPD only counts US retail sales. PC gaming may be dead in America, but it's big in the rest of the world.

So what?  The rest of the world consistantly lags behinds America in everything- give em' time to catch up to where PC gaming dies for them as well.

 

My cousins in Italy are still listening to disco for christ's sake.

P.S. 

I have always been an avid PC gamer; since I first got my hands on a shareware copy of Doom in 1994.  Today is the absolute worst shape I've ever seen PC gaming in.  To debate semantics or the qualifications for it's relative mortality is pretty useless.  It's the worst I've ever seen it.  To me it might as well be "dead."

When I see the new counterparts for yesterday's "Fallout,"   "Heroes of Might and Magic,"  "Mechwarrior" and "Starcraft/Warcraft" games I'll begin to believe in PC gaming's potency again.

And in America the most sold console is the 360, where as it's least sold in Japan, and in Europe, Sony is counting on taking the position the 360 has now with in a couple of months.

If you ask me, Europe and America are moving in two different directions.

I don't think PC gaming is dying, not at all. Games will keep coming out for the PC and there will continue to be great PC games.

The problem revovles around the money. Developers are seeing the light here, the more a game sells the more money they make. And because piracy barely exist (not counting the handholds) it's generally a lot easier to make money on console games.

Now just to clarify, I love my PC and I hate M$ (especially for Vista... dickheads). But lately I have been thinking about selling my PC and buying nice 42" LCD TV and getting a PS3 (I still have a laptop, I'm not that stupid).

In the future console will be (we're already seeing the trend) having a higher priority than PCs amongst developers, and so consoles will be getting more and more exculsive games (Star Wars: The Force Unleashed, Army of Two, GTA and so on), and there will be a lot less games coming on the PC exclusively (again we're seeing the trend... Far Cry 2, Call of Duty 4, The Orange Box, Lost Planet etc.)

The reason I would choose a PS3 over a Xbox 360, is partly because of the future insurance there is in the machine. M$ have said that there wouldn't be games for the Xbox requiring a hard drive, but there is already a FF release that does and Borderlands coming up. And games definetly wont be taking up less space in the future, so my predictions are that the Blu-ray will come out on top in this context. Again, this could slowly turn out to be an issue for PC gamers as well, at least for people who like to have their games on their PC. They take up space like hell!

So no, PC gaming is not dying at all, but its age of glory has passed, in my eyes at least.

EDIT: I forgot to mention, mouse and keyboard will always pwn a controller for the games that are meant to be played with it, FPS' for example. RTS' can also have a huge advantage in having the mouse and keyboard, but looking at Tom Clancy's End War as an example of a console RTS coming up. You're controlling your units with your voice.

And then there's a nifty little device for the PS3 called Splitfish Frag FX which will allow for a smoother transition from PC to PS3 (btw, 446 kr. is ~90$).

And here I was hoping they'd do this, only because of what has been said in reviews...

But I still wanna play the damn game! Aaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrggggggghhhhhhhh!