Why I think PoTBS will not succed as a game or as a full priced game.

• SOE. Bad history, not good for this game.
• Avatar combat. I don't think people going to like that.
• Ship speed. Some like is slow and realistic. I think it's way too slow and I think more people will think the same. Today everything is fast, fast, fast.
• Low population. MMO's with low pop is never good. Myself I leave a game if it's going down. I think this is a big problem.
• Too many servers at start. Better start with less, then when they are full you open up new ones and people become happy. That FLS didn't know this is a little wierd.
• FLS pushed it too much. Sure low budget. I still think it was a bad move. Saying relax more will come is not the best when the game is new.
• FLS MMO knowledge. I think they need to study more.

Your not alone.

Think they got that one wrong. We don't have any HP, we have Morale. So how do we die?

I also like to play a Monster character from 1 to 50.

But it looks like the Dev's don't like that. So they made Monsterplay. And the Monsters look good, but they are weak so the Free people can feel strong or whatever. Very stupid system if you ask me.

And it looks like Dev's don't care much about Creeps. No emotes, some animations don't work, no updates that help the poor Creeps. I don't think they like having Creeps but they where forced to make something and so they did... PvMP...

We are not alone asking for this but I don't think this game will have Evil characters. LOTRO is to nice and cute for that... or something.

I don't know why... if I was the Boss at Turbine I would tell my people to start working on right away. Good side makes money, add Evil and you get even more.

I don't know if PvE people think that if they add Evil the game MUST become PvP. We have a lot of MMO's with RP servers, PvE servers, PvP servers. So whats the problem?

It's madness!!!

1. I'm not in Beta.

2. I think you only have "one" race/side like in LOTRO.

And in LOTRO they made something called Monsterplay. You can make your own monster to fight others players in PvP. It's sounds great, but trust me it's not. Worst PvP I ever done in my life.

3. This game seems to need a strong computer. That might be a problem for people.

But isn't it a bit wierd that you can scream people/mobs to death?

-Captain: "AAAAAAAAAAAHHH!"

-Orc: "Noooo my health is going down!"

-Captain: "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!"

-Orc: "Urrgh..... ..... ...." *dead*

I'm in same boat like the OP or in a boat next to him.

I'm not a big fan of LOTR. So I don't get happy when I see a little Hobbit. They reminds me of Gnomes from WoW. In PvP they look the same and still act the same. God I hate does little Hobbit Burgls. Same way I hate the Gnomes in WoW.

I think thats the biggest problem with this game. It's trying to be different, trying to be LOTR. Still the Morale is HP for me, the Burgls are WoW Rogues for me, Champions are like WoW warriors, Hunters are like WoW hunters and so on. They don't look the same but they feel the same and sometimes act the same.

About that Morale, I don't know why they made it that way. In this game when you "die" you don't fall down on the ground, you sit down. Huh? Ok, so we "don't die" in LOTRO. But in PvP it say KILLS & DEADTHS. So do we die in this game or not? Having it both ways makes this game look bad. And it makes me wonder if the Devs team know what they are doing. And yes having a class that play music to "heal" you is a bit wierd.

And this game is sometimes too much LOTR. You can only play the Good guys from lvl 1-50. If you like to play Monster then you must enter PvP and start playing a very very very weak lvl 50 Monster. Freeps can do good in a small group, Creeps must have a large army to do anything. So when people must work or sleep, the PvP fall. Having that kind of system is bad. And Freeps are way powerful then Creeps. Creeps are there to entertain bored Freeps. Just bad, bad PvP plan.

Character creation is not that great. Most people look the same. And again this game is a little too much LOTR, there are no good-sexy-looking female characters. All look neutral and clean. Kind of boring I think.

PvE is most of the time great, but this game feels like classic music. There is no rock 'n roll! It's a little bit lame and silly... too nice. It have no balls!

Thats the problem.

This is what you get if you have a half done game and working with SOE.

I hope they learn from this that you need more then trailers and nice looking pictures.

It's year 2008. The population is great in this game. So there is money.

Still it have a lot of lag spikes (or invinsible walls you must run around). And just runing inside woods it lag, in PvP it lags.

They need to work on that.

I don't like WoW, but that game didn't have much lag. Only at special times, for example mass army going to attack city or other events.

Both games are new. Why this lag problem? It feels a little like SWG.

How about open for all? All on same side?

This game is great at PvE but it's horrible at PvP!

Freebs... we fight to lvl 50 so we get all.

Creeps... we fight to lvl 10 and we get nothing... we are shit... we are entertainment for Freeps.

Make it a freaking CS PvP, all the same. { Mod Edit }

Still people leave the game. Hmm.

Trolls told us this long before. They are now gone and banned.

Now thats a little funny. The evil negativ trolls was right.

PoTBS is not something new. It's like all the other Pirates games. I don't even know why they made it a MMORPG.

I think it would have done better like a single player game with multiplayer option.

It's not a MMORPG people are going to pay for.

Most single player games have a very little "play area", you are in a house, or a ship, rooms etc. You finish one room and then you load to next.

MMORPG, are most of the time like real life. Big areas where you can run around and explore with your friends or alone. It's something people like. No need to load, just run around.

Here in this game you can't do a simple thing like jump, swim or go outside the town and explore. Only thing that gives you more space are the open sea area. 

Most of the time the game must load into a instance and the MMORPG freedom is gone. It starts to feel like a normal single player game that you play for some hours then you go look for a new game.

Thats the problem with this game. It's not a MMORPG.

Originally posted by mercader

No one is calling you a troll binko, or atleast not me. But  I am curious, did you play EVE at launch? what kind of MMORPGs do you tend to play? I am certain EVE had plenty of doomsayers when it came out with a small company backing it and a low population, years later it is still going strong.

Avatars can be improved, the economy can also be tweaked to speed it up, who knows if the population will continue to grow? 1 month after release for a game with a low profile is too early, I mean what did you expect Binko? a low profile game like this, appealing to a niche market in the MMORPG genre to explode right away, it is not made by a massive name company and it is not a generic fantasy mmo that tends to appeal to the masses.

That is why it should have some time, like EVE had time and has no established itself as a top quality MMO with a strong player base...after 5 years. Would have loved to see the amount of flames that game got from people thinking it would be a run of the mill mmorpg but in space.

 

 

No I didn't play EvE at launch.

Right now I'm playing LOTRO.

People like Pirates. With a better game this could have been something big from launch. But it's not.

Under the five long years working on this game they could do like other Dev's, look at other games, read forum, play other games, read the news and then get a better picture of what people might like.

They say it's about fun. Still they have too much focus on being historical and ships, ships, ships. The forgot the rest that could make this game a winner.

Originally posted by Dr_Doom

Interesting thread. Sorry, I dont have any screenshots to contribute, which I realize is the purpose of this thread, but I wanted to dispell a few of the people who are complaining about the low numbers. As a 3 year EVE-Online player, the people who say it is starting small and will gain speed are likely correct. I can't guarantee this game will stick around, and grow, but seeing how most players are indicated its similarities to EVE, it must be noted that EVE 3 years ago was peaking at about 20k players simultaniously, whereas now it peaks at I believe just under 50k, with something along the lines of 200-300k subscribers. Give this game a chance, if the devs are smart and listen to the players (but not too much) then it should find its way into a niche market well.

7k people online is low. And this forum is not that active (me and 5 more), same with other forums.

The PoTBS forum have same 10 people, all in love with the game and the Dev team. The rest say "I quit" or other negativ threads. It's going down, not up.

If you can't keep people after 30 days, then I don't think people will come back. Today we have a lot of games to pick.

After 5 years, you must be ready with your product. Avatar system is not that great and the Dev's know it. The economic system is not working that good. A system people where talking about the first week as the "best in MMO's"...

I don't see this game will grow much more. They had 5 years and people ask for more just after one week, plus they pick SOE to help them.

Just by having SOE at the side, will sink this ship.

"We are PAYING customers, not some beta testers.

By paying $15 or so per month AND $50+ for the package, the customers expect some quality."

What happen to all the people that say troll to every negativ post here?

Can't they press down the button Print Screen and take a picture of the servers? Or is something wrong?

Now I will get back "maybe they are playing the game you troll!"... hehe. =P

One more thread trying to save this game...

Bump!

Click on the link and you will have no problem.

Enjoy!

Originally posted by Danjak

These populations aren't accurate.  I play on Blackbeard, French side, and I haven't seen less than a hundred on except when I played until 4:00 am on a Tuesday night.  I've seen the French side go over 300 - and we're the lowest population group on the server.  On a good weekend night, the Blackbeard server itself has around 2,000 people at once.  No, that's not a ton of people, but the game feels FAR from empty. 

This game is a lot like EVE... and it looks like it's population is starting similarly as well.  It took EVE several years to build its population into what it is today - I'm confident POTBS will do the same.  Both games are niche games and were never intended to be "WoW-killers."  They were both developed at a fraction of the cost of other MMOGs and therefore can support the relatively smaller server sizes when compared to the big-dogs.  Another thing both games have in common - they're FUN.  But if you don't like EVE, chances are you won't like POTBS.  Different strokes for different folks.

Pictures. No talk. Ok.