Originally posted by Fukoff253

I take my time too but was done with transylania by week 3

I'm nearing week 3 with the game and am still in the blue mountains. Guess we define "taking our time" differently.

Leveling hasn't been a grindfest for a long time. In fact, it's too fast now in my opinion.

I'm looking forward to GW2. I like what I've been hearing, and hope that its gameplay can meet the high expectations.

What I don't like is all the bashing of WAR. WAR was and is a fine game, and made some innovative additions to the MMO genre. Yes, the population is way down, but when I played it was a lot of fun, and I see that GW2 has picked up on some of its better features. I have no problem with that. I'm all for new games iterating on the successful features of the games that came before it.

But let's not bash WAR to prop up GW2. WAR doesn't deserve that, and GW2 doesn't need it.

Originally posted by bestever



I don't really care about your post or your feelings on GW2 because most of us love it feel it was done right and NOT once did I feel like I was playing WAR. The zerg on zerg felt like I was on a real battleground and no mmo has ever given me that feeling ever till GW2...

 

I thought the post by Frostillicus was excellent. For veterans of pvp in many games (including WAR), his thoughts were spot on and was the kind of report I was looking for. Except for his use of the word "fanboy", I don't there was anything he said that was offensive, or should cause someone to become defensive. And you calling him a "WAR fanboy" is ironic, intentional or not.

Originally posted by Axehilt

Well we covered that I'm not interested in terrible PVE (AFK travel, AFK mining, mostly-AFK missioning.)

But I'm also not interested in terrible PVP (zerging and progression-whoring, with player decisions being almost meaningless.)

And I'm certainly not interested in terrible PVP where the penalty for losing is that you're forced to engage in terrible PVE to recoup money and ships.

That's the root of EVE's niche appeal.  Most people just want good games which freely offer great moment-to-moment gameplay, and (perhaps most importantly) focus on player decisions every session.

I disagree with your assessment of both pve and pvp in EVE, so we'll have to agree to disagree.

Originally posted by AdamTM

Whats the other 90%?

Im not trying to be cute here but ask out of curiosity as I had the same experience with EVE Axehilt had.

 

What do I need to do in EVE for it to be fun?

Also, why is it not made clear that what I'm experiencing is only 10% and where I get the other 90% of the game?

Is there some tutorial I'm missing?

It depends on what you want to do. Check out this link for an idea of some of the things that you can do in EVE.

There are ingame tutorials and out-of-game tutorials that can help you get started, depending on what you want to do. Here are just a couple of the oof game tutorials, and there are many, many others that are available:

- Beginner's Guide
- Exploration
- Planetary Interaction

Contact me ingame I can help you get going with ISK and whatever else that you need.

Originally posted by Axehilt

Other:

• Open PVP is awful (before accounting for full-loot PVP, which makes it even worse)
• Sandboxes are empty.  They're big worlds, with a few things to do, but very little gameplay.
• Sandboxes work best as singleplayer or small-scale multiplayer, where your impact on the world can be large without disrupting others' experience (and without being disrupted in return.)
• Sandboxes thus far have had really shitty moment-to-moment gameplay. (Like EVE where you spend most of your time AFK traveling or AFK mining or falling asleep in combat (where you can almost AFK, but not quite.))

 

That's really the path to a successful sandbox: making the moment-to-moment crafting (or whatever) so fun that you just want to stay in the game playing it.  With EVE or Darkfall you have these big, shallow wastes of time instead.

You and I must play different versions of EVE.

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by Phelcher
But EVE isnt hard, just time consuming.

Yeah. In fact, early PvE in Eve is very easy (more so than WOW) and BORING.

I literally just use missle at max range and finish all the missions. Come on, at least in WOW, you get to use more than 1 skill at very early levels.

And don't tell me PvP is hard .. since PVP is hard in any game (up against good players).

Yikes, I really like the PVE in EVE (Incursions, sleepers, lvl 4/5 missions, exploration, complexes/sanctums, etc.). I must be more of an oddball than I thought.

Originally posted by Pyuk

... I think Eve's game play is too slow and the interfaces to get anything done is akin to an Excel spreadsheet (see my sig - I don't want to play a spreadsheet)..

I understand that EVE is not everyone's cup of tea. I think that's true of any game, and I can certainly respect that. EVE is unique, no doubt.

However, I don't understand this "spreadsheet" argument. Maybe I've played it for too long, but I find the EVE UI quite informative and customizable, and not a "spreadsheet" at all.  Also, with the upcoming changes to the UI, I expect to see significant improvements to its accessibility for new players.

I only play one sandbox, EVE. To me, it's the best MMO out there, and not just because it's a sandbox. And to everyone who says EVE is  a "gankfest", it's not--I've been ganked a total of 2 times in 6 years, which is way less than in most other games I've played.

The division of hi-sec, lo-sec, and null sec is a great approach to way to divide those who don't want to pvp regularly from those who do, without totally removing an element of danger necessary in such a free-form game.

You all realize that "Escalation" is not an actual expansion, right? "Inferno" is the actual expansion and is scheduled for next month.

Welcome back to the best MMO out there! Sounds like you have the right approach and plan.

Check out this page for more ideas about what to do in EVE: http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/

Originally posted by Scypheroth

personally i dont knwo why itis...its freaking boring and the amount of time is unessesary for anyone to be putting into a game just to be able to understand how to play it. game is made for freaking genius players and math maticians...sumthing my math teacher would enjoy...

But that is just me...i played it for a week and alost cryed when i coudnt even figure out wtf to do...

It's funny. For the very same reasons you don't like EVE, I like it.

I like the challenge. I like not knowing everything about it after only a few days of playing. I like that even though I've learned a lot about it, there is always more to learn. I like that it's just...*different* from other MMOs, and has its own sense of gameplay and style.

For those reasons and more, EVE is never boring, or stale. But I can see how not everyone can appreciate it in the same way.

Your questions were answered by previous posters, so I would suggest checking out this link:

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/

It is a nice visual representation of what you can do in EVE.

Originally posted by CujoSWAoA

I just don't understand this game.

And I realize within a matter of minutes that this is what the whole game is.  Be a UPS Truck Driver... In Space.

 

This is why I play the game, actually. A few minutes after I first fired it up and realized how much I didn't know about the game, how much potential there was to do whatever I wanted, I was hooked. It's kinda funny. The more I didn't understand, the more challenged I felt, and the more interested I became. Not because it was overcomplicated, or the UI was busy, but because I knew I had found something that I wouldn't get bored with after a few days.

Years later, I still feel the same way. Most MMOs you can pick up most of what you need to do in the first few "levels" of your character. The mechanics pretty much remain static: swing sword, cast fireball, don't stand in a fire, rinse and repeat. And many people really enjoy that, no doubt. EVE is..different. If you're willing to spend more than a day or so with the game, you'll soon learn that there is more, much more, than just being a truck driver in space.

Originally posted by Czanrei

It's a shame that CCP is so blind that they chose to cater to such a small minority of gamers and as a result it limits how far EVE can grow as a mmo. Unfortunately, those same gamers aren't able to see it either while they wallow in their self-degredating gamestyle.

 

Not sure what you mean. At all. I play EVE, but don't participate in the situations that are described by White Tree (although I enjoy hearing about them through his well-written column), and I still find a *ton* of stuff in the game to enjoy. There is always something to do, whether I'm solo or in a fleet. EVE is immense and open-ended, and pretty much offers any type of gameplay that you're looking for. 

Skyrim is not an MMO, so I have no interest in playing it. Single player games = bleh.

Good list, imo.

Originally posted by lordathon



But, those new shop items, that give 100% for manastones, it's pay 4 win. And i think a sub is enough.

 

Those shop items are no longer available. And even when they were, being able to socket a green manastone that gives you +2 more than my white is hardly p2w.