I played the hell out of Elite on my C-64 back in the day. It was a fantastic game. Heck, it's one of the reasons that I picked up EVE originally. I really look forward to this iteration of the series and what Braben does with it.

That being said, I try to keep the following in mind:

1. E:D doesn't exist, and will not exist for at least a couple years. During its development, the dev team will run into issues and have to make compromises. I try to temper my claims (not my enthusiasm) about how it has features that EVE should have, or does something better. Right now, it does nothing that EVE does, nor does it do anything better.

2. E:D is not an MMORPG like EVE. It will be single player and have a multiplayer component. It's way more MMO than MMORPG.

3. EVE has been out for 10 years, has an incredibly rich history, has a large and mature universe that is affected by the players (sovereignty, for example), has a dizzying about of career possiblities, and has a complex character progression scheme.  That's just to name a few of its features. If E:D or SC have even half the gameplay that EVE has now (and will have 2 years for now), I hope that both games succeed, along with EVE. It will be great for PC games to have multiple choices for those seeking a break from fanatasy-themed games.

1. DAoC

2. EVE

3. WoW

The conncurrent login record is 63k. Last weekend it hit 55k. This weekend even more players are expected.  Almost 10 years since this game came out, and it continues to grow. Pretty cool.

Yeah, I'd say EVE is doing quite well these days, and only getting better. If you've been on the fence about playing EVE, or returning to it, the time to play is now!

Originally posted by Isturi

Originally posted by Boardwalker

Originally posted by Isturi

Originally posted by Tidel
Hey all, with mmos closing down all the time it kind of leaves me considering to even play some. So, what are the MMOs out that are LEAST likely to close down?

...Gamers want despertly a new style of a MMO that does not follow WoW...

 

Maybe this applies only to the jaded gamers on this site. There are far more people who are just fine with other games following in the style of WoW. I think sometimes the people here all suffer from an acute myopic view of MMORPGs.

All MMO's have one thing or anouther thing in common with WoW even EVE after all you take on quest to lvl up to a point of were you have to join a CORP i.e. Guild in order to get anywere in the game that leads to endgame devolpment. Sounds fimilar eh?

Not sure if you're trolling here with this comment, or just making a point that MMORPGs have features in common, but you realize that EVE came out *before* WoW, along with a number of other titles like UO, AO, DAoC, EQ, etc., right?

WoW borrowed from them, and then games borrowed from WoW. In other words, WoW is far from being the "first MMO".

Originally posted by Isturi

Originally posted by Tidel
Hey all, with mmos closing down all the time it kind of leaves me considering to even play some. So, what are the MMOs out that are LEAST likely to close down?

...Gamers want despertly a new style of a MMO that does not follow WoW...

Maybe this applies only to the jaded gamers on this site. There are far more people who are just fine with other games following in the style of WoW. I think sometimes the people here all suffer from an acute myopic view of MMORPGs.

Originally posted by Robokapp

 Far more players hate eve than those who like it.

This statement is also true for every MMORPG except maybe WoW.

Originally posted by Dantae87

wich is sad EVE is the biggest POS game i ever played and i played Runescape....

Such a silly willy!

EVE rocks and will be around for a long, long time. Look me up ingame and I'll help get you started. It is truly an amazing MMORPG.

Originally posted by Reizla

Stopped reading after this... Please man, stop with your short experience of gaming - LITTLE EXPERIENCE indeed. There are players out here that have been playing games on the internet before the WWW came along (me included), and even been playing online games before the iternet became publicly accesseble (me including again). If you have played old multi-player games on BBSs back in the late 80s, then you can indeed say that you HAVE LOTS OF EXPERIENCE in gaming. In you remember the hype around Commander Keen, remember the first 3D accelerated games, then you can say that you have SOME EXPERIENCE. But starting since Windows 95..? Nah, that's not really any expeirnce in gaming at all. By that time the standard has been set for gaming and ever since little to nothing has changed other than better graphics and sounds, all due to stronger CPU/GPUs.

Anyway, want something new..? Try to find Knight Orc, and play that. It's one of the best RPGs ever made...

Good post. I remember Commander Keen. I also remember playing M.U.L.E, Telengard, and Reach for the Stars for hours upon hours.

The original Wizardry on an Apple? Magic. Adventure on the Atari 2600? Amazing. Typing "Load *.* ,8,1" on my C-64? Good times. Hanging out on BBSes with my 1200baud modem? Scary!

No.

The better question: Are MMO players getting worse?

The answer: Yes.

It's much easier to place blame anywhere but on ourselves. In this case, that "anywhere" are the games that we play.

Originally posted by Elsabolts

Could we all just try and get along, Im sure all the old vets would now go along with a PVE server. CCp gave China there own server so its not like there gonna preserve just one server.

Creating another server, and a PVE one at that, would be more catastrophic than going F2P. It would destroy a big part of EVE's core identity and break it utterly. I'd rather deal with a bunch of freeloaders.

Originally posted by Roguewiz

Back in the day, when WoW was first released, the only real game we had on the market was Everquest. 

Besides WoW, there was DAoC (best mmo ever), AC, EVE, AO and probably some others that I'm not listing. Of those, only AC is no longer online.

If WoW was released now, in its current state, it would do just fine now because of its polished vertical progression and extensive content.

Originally posted by asmkm22

Eve also has really uncompelling gameplay for a lot of people, in terms of "combat," and exploration only seems to be rewarding to a very particular kind of person.  For everyone else, it's just one starfield after another, with different color suns.

To each his own then. My experience with EVE has been the complete opposite. And as for exploraton, I think EVE has the best possible mechanic for that type of gameplay, by far.

Originally posted by Simphanatic

Before I ever invest my time and money in another MMO, it absolutely must meet these criteria:

1. Have a dynamic, player-influenced, open environment
2. Possess a fluid, impactful economy that is not at all affected by infusion of real-world money
3. Provide meaningful player professions intrinsic to the economy
4. Furnish recreational venues that players can engage in when not in combat or working
5. Give players the opportunity to construct residences
6. Have non artifical, open PvP -- the world should be a risky place
7. There must be a player-regulated system for penalizing gankers, scammers, and other evil doers
8. Quests/missions are ok, but should not be a central focus of the game world (I'd prefer to see them as a starting point to game play -- a world introduction -- certainly not a destination)
9. Community is not a factor because if the foregoing are executed properly community will follow

Kudos, you just described EVE. Look me up ingame and I'll help you get started with the best MMO available today.

Originally posted by Ambros123 

 

And yet you mark EVE as a top community which is by far way worse and has rampant immature talk like "yeah run biatch" and countless other smack talk like that in system chat which reminds me of high schoolers.  And lets not forget the whole Goonswarm debaticle where the leader publically told people to try to make a player commit suicide.  Jumping on the hate bandwagon are we?

While community opinion is highly subjective GW2 is hardy in anyway the worst as there are numerous MMOs like WoW, AoC, and EVE that have easily worse community which for EVE that is the nature of the game.

My experience with EVE has been the exact opposite. It is, quite easily (to me), the best community with the most mature players. Granted, I've only played it for 6 years, so I'm not sure what it was like in the very beginning, but compared to other MMOs, it is a jewel of relative maturity.

EVE, TSW, DAoC are the best communites that I have experienced

WoW (by sheer number of players) and LoL (not really an MMO though) are the worst that I have experienced

Originally posted by ShakyMo
Joey:

A certain type of acheiver won't like the game.

Those that like to get all elitist going "sorry your gear scores not good enough"

Those who get off on raid guild power politics

Those who like to prove how "goode" they are at pvp by grinding / afking / botting their way to the best gear so they can 1 shot "noobs"

[mod edit], it's the "achievers" who like to have *vertical character progression after hitting level cap* that will be disappointed with GW2. 

Originally posted by ShakyMo
Gw2 wouldn't be gw2 if it had say wow raids. Raids taint everything, the great strength of gw2 is it caters to just about all playstyles except raiding. When you have games with raiding, it always comes first and everything else second.

I played WoW for quite a few years. During those years, I went to a total of *one* raid. Raiding is not the only progression route for level-capped characters. Personally, I prefer vertical progression through PvP at level cap. WoW has that. As does Rift. As does SWTOR. As does Aion. Etc. Those games held my interest for quite a while due to that vertical progression at level cap. GW2 doesn't have that. If I manage to make to 80, the idea of "exploring" a finite, virtual fantasy world will not hold me long term. It's free, so I guess that's ok. Different strokes, right?

As for games with "longevity" and never-ending (or nearso) character progression, EVE is a great example.

Originally posted by Deeter
Why does this game still have a sub fee? Why does any game still have a sub fee? Why can GW2 put out the same quality MMO without a sub fee? I don't understand.

Guess they want to keep the freeloaders out, and ensure a consistent stream of revenue to fund future expansions.