Originally posted by Aeonblades
Well I don't really think a game that requires years of effort to catch up, countless hours pouring over spreadsheets, and generally agreed the worst community hands down in an online world helps him either.
We are getting off topic though, he's not looking for a full PvP centered MMO.
Woo hoo, your hater misconceptions are off the chart, so let me help enlighten you:
1. You can "catch up" in EVE faster than you can in most traditional, level-based MMOs, you just don't understand how its training works. I could explain in great detail the significance of skill caps and only being able to fly one ship at a time, but I'm lazy.
2. I've played EVE since 2006 and looked at a total of 1 spreadsheet, which is less than I've had to do in many other games.
3. To me, EVE has the best community, hands down. The people I play with are mature, knowledgeable, and quite helpful. Not sure the experience that you've had, but mine has been nothing but positive.
To the OP: I second TSW and Wildstar. Both are fun games in their own right. And TSW's skill wheel is not "gimmicky", it's innovative and a joy to play with once you understand it.