Originally posted by AllNewMMOSuk

I enjoed how many guys in the video picked underaged and underaged looking game girls. Nothing like publicly admitting you drive a white windowless van and molest kids.

Did you even watch the vid? I think the only underage girl mentioned was Roll from megaman :/

Originally posted by Random_mage

Originally posted by xzyax

The next few days/week may be a bit bumpy for DarkFall.

 

It appears that the double-billing has started. 

forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php

 

Just thought a heads up for those who get upset at non-positive news might want to be aware.

Hopefully Aventurine can get this sorted out before it gets too far out of hand. 

 

I think this is a huge LOL moment.

Can't wait to see the defense on this one.. Oh, and how it's all the customers fault for having a credit card.  Stupid customers..

Which is exactly why I pay all of my bills with goats, can't go wrong there.

Originally posted by Synthetick

Originally posted by methosk

Originally posted by prow

Seems someone was lying about this game beeing a F2P game.  Found out you can only get to level 8 before you are forced to start paying like $18 for it... This is the most expensive monthly MMO I have seen... and they say its FREE TO PLAY... haha, was a joke...

EU is subscription based, but I hear that NA version by Acclaim is going to be F2P cash shop, so....

 

lol, it's amusing how misinformed you all are about the information you come here swearing by.

<Mod Edited>

there is nothing in there that I "Swore By", just what I heard back when I used to play TCOS EU Beta/Early Release. The info is a bit dated, but I did say "I hear" as in I heard, not I "know".

Originally posted by prow

Seems someone was lying about this game beeing a F2P game.  Found out you can only get to level 8 before you are forced to start paying like $18 for it... This is the most expensive monthly MMO I have seen... and they say its FREE TO PLAY... haha, was a joke...

EU is subscription based, but I hear that NA version by Acclaim is going to be F2P cash shop, so....

Originally posted by Drahx

Originally posted by ZtyX2

We saw it already, but thanks anyway

 

apparently you do not have a strong enough grasp on the English language to understand the phrase,

"For those who haven't seen it".

I think he was speaking not about himself specifically, but for the general population, I mean you got to admit, that video has been posted and reposted so so so so many times, even hitler has seen it and rolled over in his grave. I say give this video a rest already.

 Thought this would be a fun topic to start up.
[quote]
MMORPG.com:
There had been some speculation that there are plans to push the launch date further back than the originally announced 25th date. Can you tell us if there is any truth to this?
Tasos:
Consistent with the usual speculation sources, there’s no truth to this.
[/quote]

*Inserting this for the fanbois* Granted, according to Tasos there will NOT be a delay, this thread takes that into consideration, and goes on the hypothetical thought that maybe there WILL be a delay, and what that might entail, how long, what provisions will be made, etc etc.

I personally think that if there is a delay, it will come quite close to release date (say 2-3 days), and will push the game back for 1 month for *insert some god aweful reason like DDOS attacks or No Support for Billing etc*, and they will toute that the game is ready, and there will be a *trial period* etc etc, Basically the same thing that happened last month, but for a new "unforeseable event" that will come up, and there will be plenty of talk about things that have improved etc etc a new wave of beta invites etc etc more time to address bugs I mean features etc etc etc

Anyways, what are your thoughts on what MIGHT happen if there is a delay.

Originally posted by Shanks123

ok so im not a fanboy or a troll. i got pulled into a fight on this forums today cause of some mean stuff that was said. im not here to trah talk anyone or nothing. i really have no opinion of this game, my question is this i

if the game has not been realeased why do you hate it so much? you never played it. i mean if you have a good reason like the devopers killed my parents then yeah burn the studio down for all i care. i just want to know why its so important to trash a game that you ahvnt played and you dont want to play? dont you have better things to do?

 

and im sorry if i came off as a prick

I agree. Also, why talk about politics? I mean you have never met the guys who run, and you probably don't have any plans to meet them? /sarcasm. 

There are quite a few answers (that come to my mind as to why I talk about games I haven't played, whether I like the sound of em or not).

1) To pass time. I visit the boards from time to time and open random threads in the "recent posts" and view the entry post, and then a couple of the replys and if I feel like I have an opinion (whether its good or bad) I decide to post it. If you don't like that I post something negative using the information that I have collected then too bad for you, cause its just an opinion, and you most likely won't change it without hard evidence and good logic. (Saying things like "troll" or "oh my god stop talking" dont constitute as solid arguments)

2) Because like it or not, this game is going to make an impact. If it's good, then it will be a nice plus for indie developers as well as sandbox game titles. However, if its a second Dark & Light it may cause the big financial backers to stop backing small indie developers, as well as lean away from sandbox game. Games like Mortal online might end up losing funding, as well as any future games that might turn out well.
Am I saying that Darkfall doing badly WILL have those effects? no, but is it POSSIBLE? yes.

3) Because sometimes when doing 1(passing time) I see completely idiotic posts by fanbois, and I mean really unlogical statements that make you think "are they cult members?", to which I find I have a DUTY to post back and correct their stupidity. By stupidity do I mean any time someone says Darkfall will be a success? no (I happen to think that darkfall will do all right, and hope to play it some day, when it comes out), I am talking about people who seam to think that the game can do the impossible, that it can bring the second coming of jesus, and to which I must play the antichrist.

Those are just a couple reason that I some times post negatively about Darkfall.

 So, just wanted to get everyones views on the diffrences between DFO forums and MMORPG forums. I have recently been checking out the DFO forums, and from the last time I lurked their to now, I noticed that the fanboysm increased by a large margin.
Back when I first checked out DFO I noticed that most people were still in the same stage as MMORPG, and that was about 30% fanboy, 30% hater, and 40% neutral. And I still attest that most people on MMORPG are still neutral who wish them luck but aren't expecting the world to end because of its greatness, and the distance between fans and haters are about average. 

However, I was doing the same thing when I was into AoC pre-release, and notice a some what similar trend before release, but in quite opposite ways. Instead of the fanboys becoming more and more vocal, the Haters were carpet bombing the home site with talk of "incompleteness" and "no end game" etc. So, if that has any corolation to the current DFO situation, it makes me wonder that maybe there isn't a whole lot to complain about. Because I know for fact that even at risk of being "removed from beta", there would be serious leaks and vocalizing of opinions if there was anything near significantly wrong with this game. So it leads me to believe that all in all its a decent game that has people not wanting to be kicked out, or that there is some serious paper work (and muscle) behind the DFO NDA. (or there are no testers and everything is being made up by Tasos, but even for haters thats becoming more and more of a long shot)

Anyways, agree, disagree, poke hole in my logic, do as you wish. (And yes I do realize that I started out this thread in a completely different direction then I ended up taking it, but my bad I got cought up in the moment of typing)

That was great, truly great xD

 Well, my hypothesis has been shot to hell and back.

But, OB on the 22nd, I can live with that, even if I am somewhat dissapointed that I have to wait until then :/

Originally posted by Consensus

this guy didn't actually brake NDA, he just copied leaked info off that site and pasted it into DF forums and so got banned for a bit.

this thread fails.

Even so, why would they risk only temporarily banning him, they would probably want to make an example of him, or at the very least prevent him from future possible leaks, and I think they did, by removing him from all closed beta activities.

All I am saying, is that temp banning people for 2 days is non sense, unless thats all they need to be banned for.

Originally posted by Squal'Zell

assuming all your facts are correct, this theory actually looks logical and convincing and it just happens to fall on a saturday.

well see how that theory holds up

 

Why thank your reply, glad to see I am not the only one who sees logic in my words :)

Lol, well, this isn't an informative post, more of an inquirie.

Well, let me tell you how I reached this conclusion. I was recently linked to a certain site, that is like a carton of milk with holes in it, (:P), and read up on some of the stuff that we shouldn't know about, and noticed quite a few people mentioning that they were banned from a certain games closed beta, but not indefinately, but only until 1/17/2009, for putting said holes into that milk carton. Which led me to wonder, why would they not just ban them indefinately, the only conceivable reason to let them be unbanned for the 17th would be if....
That is when they are opening the closed beta, into the open beta....

Or at least thats what I am led to believe, assuming that those reports are factual.

See you all on the 17th :)

Originally posted by Blodpls

Originally posted by methosk

Just give it up, he is wrong, EVERYONE knows it, so stop fighting with him, his ego is to big to admit that the site isn't JUST for giving out information that only darkfall wants out. 

 

It is though, any information that helps sell the game whether it be user generated content or dev content is information that they want on their site.  Getting back to my orignal point the site is there for information the devs want to put out, it's not there for anyone else. 

Which brings me back to MY original point, your ego is to inflated to admit that you are wrong, which is why it is stupid to try and argue with you, it's like argueing with a wall, it just won't work.

Which is also why I will not be replying to you when you say "I am right, it's not my ego, it's that I am right", or something similar. Good day sir.

Originally posted by xzyax

Originally posted by Blodpls

Originally posted by xzyax 

Heh... you obviously haven't visited those topics. 
 You are not "spammed" with the word DarkFall in those places.  Go in those topics and see for yourself.

 Oh, and previously you said you disagreed with the site being a

"For providing a social networking and meeting place of their future potential customers"

Yet now you say it

"gets them involved with the darkfall community"

 So which is it?

 

All of those forums have a large Darkfall logo on them at the top of every page.  I said that the site was a platform for information that the devs want to put out.  If user generated content attracts people to the site so that they can talk about darkfall and view a giant darkfall logo at the top of each page of course they want it to be on their site.  Getting people interested in the game is aligned with devs own interest of selling it therefore this is information they want on their site.

Ahh... so now just a simple logo on the top is all the information they want to get out... got it.  
Ohh... and they aren't talking about DarkFall in the vast majority of those Forums... hence the name Off-Topic and Non-DarkFall Related. 

 

Heh... you also didn't address:

 

Oh, and previously you said you disagreed with the site being a

"For providing a social networking and meeting place of their future potential customers"

Yet now you say it

"gets them involved with the darkfall community"

So which is it?
 

 

Just give it up, he is wrong, EVERYONE knows it, so stop fighting with him, his ego is to big to admit that the site isn't JUST for giving out information that only darkfall wants out. 

You guys are argueing over a null point, the site is about selling the game, and making the future customer base happy, so that they will, dun dun dun, buy the game. It gives out information about the game, so that people will be interested in it, and will be more likely to, dun dun dun, BUY THE GAME. It has sections that are not related to darkfall, so that customers will have something to do and talk about that isnt darkfall related, and yet maintain their presense in the darkfall community, and if they have strong ties to the darkfall community, they are less likely to cancel their subsciption, and are more likely to keep playing the game.

Plain and simple, the site is there to make money, same reason they are making a MMO, not to please people, but to make money. Why do they please people? Because its the most efficient way to MAKE MONEY. So stop argueing, the site is about making money, same with the game, everything else is just ends to the means.

 I introduce you to-

EUO www.swut.net/euo

It is a 2D Indie MORPG game, that houses many features, as well as 3 different servers- Regular, NG (Sandbox No Grind), and PD (permadeath).  It has Twitch Based Combat, Player Housing, a Pet system, Crafting, PVP (awesome, but quite often imbalanced), Questing, and is often updated by its creator.

Check it out, it's awesome, been there for years, and still pop in from time to time.

To be honest, besides the "outdated graphics" its what all these "hard core/non carebear" players are looking for, dunno why the population isnt maxed out considering all the players who say "its not graphics that matter, its content" which this game is chaulk full of.

Originally posted by egotrip

Originally posted by methosk

Originally posted by egotrip

Originally posted by methosk

Originally posted by egotrip

Yes they are both games but only one of them has 1)a world championship 2)a world champion 3) can look good in your CV 4)exists in both RL and VL 5) has professionals (people that make money playing it) at it. Besides chess isn't a game of speed and accuracy it's a game of patience and yes predicting your opponents next move,personally i get a headache after only an hour of playing chess.

I hope Darkfall will be the same.

I hope not, getting a headache after an hour of playing doesn't sound too appealing to me

 

 

 

Clearly you have a problem with playing video games (which makes me wonder why you are on MMORPG.Com, but I digress)

i wonder how you ended up with this conclusion but for the sake of conversation i shall accept it for now

Think about what you are saying, before you type it please.

Right back at you

1) Many Video Games have world championships (I was almost flown to Korea 2 years ago to participate in a World Championship for a FPS video game, so your wrong on the first one)

Yeah i just found out about this one and i am a bit shocked honestly

2) If there are world championships (and there are) then there are also victors, who then become the world champions, so you are wrong on the second one too (I know the people who won the WC for that game, I hate them for going instead of me -.- lol)

Watch my answer above

3) Dunno what a CV is, might wanna clarify on your acronyms :P 

You're either to young to know what a CV is or too rich anyone applying for a job needs one 'Curriculum Vitae' search it up in a dictionary

4) That statement is just ignorant, I mean seriously, saying that it doesn't take skill because there aren't trolls and goblins running around in real life for you to kill is just pathetic.

Care to explain to me how exactly is pressing the mouse button really fast while strafing is a skill??

5) There are tons of profesionals, someone posted about Fatality, he is a profesional gamer, and there are profesional gaming teams, who are on TV (and yea, there are shows about people playing Dead or Alive, and Counter strike/various other games) and teams get paid for winning, especially when they win the championship of their league/whatever, so you are WRONG AGAIN.

Now see i found out just a few minutes ago and i still lol at this term professional gamer. Games are supposed to be fun  first the instant that 'professionalism' is added the fun factor goes right out the window for me cause soon after we have people running around  flaunting their ' game achievements'  and 'uber elite status' demanding,some times, recognition for things that nobody but them could possibly care

6) You state that the reason why chess takes skill, is because it doesn't use speed or accuracy, and those are key parts to what "skill" means, the ability to out manuever, out perform, and out think everyone else. Chess doesn't rely solely on quickness, true, but it is a part, why else would the championship chess leagues require you to use a clock and follow strict time requirements (meaning you have to be quick, you cant just sit for 5 hours and think).

Ok i'll give you that one i wasn't talking about pro league chess i was talking about the commonly know features of the game worldwide and quickness isn't one of them but nontheless it is a chess feature

You seam to have a TOTAL bias against people who play video games, thinking that games (in general) don't take skill, because it isn't something that you can repeat in real life (IE slaying dragons etc), but games use dexterity (the ability to out click / out manuever your oponents), accuracy (the ability to not only move your mouse quickly, but to move them to the right place), and plenty of ingenuity (the ability to think quickly on your feet [or butt as the case may be] and be able to do complexe rationalities while on the move, to be able to determine what you should do, how, and when. Basically, the ability to out think your opponent). 
If the aforementioned items are not what determine "Skill" for you, I suggest you go and look it up in the dictionary. Or maybe go see a theropist.

If i'm biased against people that play games then i'm biased towards myself too because i am a gamer myself which in turn makes this some sort of split personallity  disorder  But i guess that's just your opinion i'm only biased as far as people like you are concerned, that's the sort of people that take the whole gaming thing a bit to seriously ( talking about skills and 'out clicking'[WTF does that even mean] their opponent)and not so on it's fun side.

Therapist???Nah, doesn't work too expensive. I prefer my local bar that has one of those bartenders that know how to listen (now that's an actual skill) and who knows maybe i'll get lucky enough and find a chick that's drunk enough to come home with me

 

First off, I am from the USA, so we call it a Resume (and yes I have one), second off, you can infact put gaming achievements on certain resumes, for instance if you were trying to get into the gaming industry, such as Quality Assurance or Design, if you won a world championship at First Person Shooters, they would be someone inclined to listen to your point of view on how to make a good First Person Shooter, or equipment to go along with said games (such as Infinity with his brand of Sound Cards and Head Sets).
Now would I put that I had a level 80 Mage on my resume to Kinkos, probably not, that would get you laughed out the door. (and no I dont play wow).

Resume?? Really i thought you didn't like the French over there JK ! Strangely enough i don't have any other objections with this paragraph.

And why do I think you dislike gamers? Because you mock gaming in general, you degenerate it down to just "point and click", and to a certain degree it is, for those who are less inclined to know better (you). I play first person shooters mainly, I am talking about America's Army, Battlefield, Call of Duty, and the like, if you go into one of those games, and think that who wins has nothing to do with skill, then thats probably cause you are never the winner.

Mocking??? No sir i just don't elevate it to the level that many do, for me it's just a game nothing more, nothing less. I don't build my life around it i just insert it  in whenever i so please.Yes FPS are my favorite type of games next to RPG especially when i gather with a few friends and have a LAN party at some after midnight hour on a Saturday night after we  all  had our beers and are wasted enough.Sometimes i win and most times i lose but i enjoy it regardless,cause hey, it's just a game

"Care to explain to me how exactly is pressing the mouse button really fast while strafing is a skill??"
I will, because it can be broken down to Hand Eye Coordination. Me being able to move my aim reticle over your head, and pull the trigger takes the same brain work that a Drag Racer uses to see a green light, and hit the gas while shifting gears in order to beat his opponent by fractions of a second, just like I get a headshot on you by just a fraction of a second before you can shoot back.

"Games are supposed to be fun first the instant that 'professionalism' is added the fun factor goes right out the window for me cause soon after we have people running around flaunting their ' game achievements' and 'uber elite status' demanding,some times, recognition for things that nobody but them could possibly care"
Once again, you bring in personality traits. You assume that because some people are better then others, they will/have to flaunt it. You recognize that there are people who are better, but you don't recognize WHY there are people who are better. Tell me this, if it isn't skill, then what is it? If you and I are going against each other, and all outstanding factors are equal (gear, level, etc) and I win by a large margin, WHY did that happen? Lets say we go at it again, and the same result happens, WHY did I win? Luck? Fate? No pal, I think its because I am better, thus I am more skilled then you are at the game. Why are you so reluctant to admit that skill does factor into it?

You beat me 1 time i say : it's luck, 2 times: coincidence, 3 times: is fate. However every dog has it's day and eventually i will get back at you 1,2,3 times...So what are you gonna say then?"Gee i guess you are more skilful than me.." or "You just got lucky ,i'll get you next time" hmmm i wonder......

"If i'm biased against people that play games then i'm biased towards myself too"
I appologize, I misworded what I wanted to say, let me rephrase. You aren't biased against gamers, you are biased against gamers who are better then you. Whether they flaunt it or not, you shrug it off as something along the lines of "luck" and say it doesn't "take skill" because you don't want to admit it to yourself, so you make excuses, and you dodge the real issue, and it doesn't matter how much you get proven wrong, you aren't going to admit it, so I am just going to end this little rant now. Have fun :P

Again i must repeat myself i treat a game as a game should be treated and that's as a game.If i shrug it off everything alongside the lines of "luck" as you claim then can i claim that you are to prompt to declare every "victory" over some "n00b" that you achieve due to your "skillz" at the game regardless whether or not he hit a lagspike at that point or he got distracted  by some external source and you will be equally prompt to call him "lucky"  the next time he "pwnz" you thus contradicting yourself when you talk about "game skillz"??Or is that not in your  realm of possibilities to happen? See?? 2 can play this game...

Still you're right about 1 thing this is getting a bit  and that's unfair towards the OP of the thread, so i'm willing to give it a rest as long as you are, besides i think we offered this community enough entertainment for the day if you want to continue this discussion feel free to pm me...

 

 

I agree that we should get back on topic, but I do feel inclined to clear something up.
Everyone has their off days, and their on days, true enough, if I win some, then you win some, then I am not a more skillful player then you, we are at the same skill level. Because even when two people are at the same skill level, it won't end up in a constant tie, you will win some times, and you will lose some times, that is the law of averages. But what I was refering to, wasn't two equal opponents, just two players on equal ground (with different skill levels), there is a difference. Even if one person has far more skill then the other, he won't win every time, like I said, luck does play a factor, but if someone is more skilled they will still win with a higher average then the other, it wont end up 5-5, it will end up more like 9-1 or 8-2. Assuming that two people of equal level and stats/gear will always end up in a draw (or eventually a 5-5 draw) in a skill based game, is just hopeful thinking.

The thing is, you are side stepping the issue of skills being part of the game, and you are coming up with absurd scenarios to make an excuse as to why I would kill someone (As in lag spikes, and outside factors causing all of my excess kills). You seem to assume that if I kill someone once, I assume I am better then them, and if they kill me back, I make an excuse as per "luck". I don't consider myself better then someone until I have beaten them so many times, (in a large ratio, not 6-4, more like 9-1 or 8-2 ratio) and not until I understand their tactics (on this map, do they like to go here, do they like to go there, do they wait for me to come to them, do they rush at me, what gun do they prefer, the sniper, the SMG, etc etc) until I have analyzed their game play, and understand how they play. Until then its just a "getting to know eachother period", which I often go through with clan mates and friends. I know some of my friends are better then me at some things (aka Sniping, which I counteract with rushing and hit and run tactics) while I am better then them at other things (IE close quarters, anticipating where they will go, etc), I got to know them, I got to know how they play, I anticipate their moves, I play better then them, more skilled then them. I don't just play with random people and assume I am better, which is where you seam to be getting confused :/ 

Yes you can chalk things up to "Its a game, I play it for fun", well like chess, I like to see how well I can do, and when I try to do my best, and succeed, I enjoy the game, and when I lose, I try to learn from my mistakes, and do better next time. Which is where "Skill" comes into the game for me.

Let me put things like this, you said you do LANS and play a FPS. If you went one on one with someone in a FPS, you both had the same gun, do you think that it would constantly end in a 5-5 tie? Or do you think if you were playing someone who was better then you (more skilled) or less skilled then you, one of you would take the lead, and win consistently more then the other? What you are saying, is that in video games, if two people both have the same stuff, then skill doesn't matter, it will end in a tie. When if you look at any competitive ladders (TWL, CAL) that is not the case, the better more skilled team comes out on top, because of just that, they are more skilled.

What things keep boiling down to, is you assume there is no skill involved in the game, because you prefer to not think of it in a skillful way, or a strategic way, but more of a "lets go have fun and mess around way" which is a perfectly legit way to play a game, most people play their video games that way;however, assuming that just because you play a game a certain way, that no one else can play it a different way, is just a little bit egotistical :P

Anyways, if you want me to clear up any more of my previous post, I can, or if you want to just let things go, thats cool too. But no offense, from my part of the argument, it is like trying to explain science to the Amish :/ 

Originally posted by egotrip

Originally posted by methosk

Originally posted by egotrip

Yes they are both games but only one of them has 1)a world championship 2)a world champion 3) can look good in your CV 4)exists in both RL and VL 5) has professionals (people that make money playing it) at it. Besides chess isn't a game of speed and accuracy it's a game of patience and yes predicting your opponents next move,personally i get a headache after only an hour of playing chess.

I hope Darkfall will be the same.

I hope not, getting a headache after an hour of playing doesn't sound too appealing to me

 

 

 

Clearly you have a problem with playing video games (which makes me wonder why you are on MMORPG.Com, but I digress)

i wonder how you ended up with this conclusion but for the sake of conversation i shall accept it for now

Think about what you are saying, before you type it please.

Right back at you

1) Many Video Games have world championships (I was almost flown to Korea 2 years ago to participate in a World Championship for a FPS video game, so your wrong on the first one)

Yeah i just found out about this one and i am a bit shocked honestly

2) If there are world championships (and there are) then there are also victors, who then become the world champions, so you are wrong on the second one too (I know the people who won the WC for that game, I hate them for going instead of me -.- lol)

Watch my answer above

3) Dunno what a CV is, might wanna clarify on your acronyms :P 

You're either to young to know what a CV is or too rich anyone applying for a job needs one 'Curriculum Vitae' search it up in a dictionary

4) That statement is just ignorant, I mean seriously, saying that it doesn't take skill because there aren't trolls and goblins running around in real life for you to kill is just pathetic.

Care to explain to me how exactly is pressing the mouse button really fast while strafing is a skill??

5) There are tons of profesionals, someone posted about Fatality, he is a profesional gamer, and there are profesional gaming teams, who are on TV (and yea, there are shows about people playing Dead or Alive, and Counter strike/various other games) and teams get paid for winning, especially when they win the championship of their league/whatever, so you are WRONG AGAIN.

Now see i found out just a few minutes ago and i still lol at this term professional gamer. Games are supposed to be fun  first the instant that 'professionalism' is added the fun factor goes right out the window for me cause soon after we have people running around  flaunting their ' game achievements'  and 'uber elite status' demanding,some times, recognition for things that nobody but them could possibly care

6) You state that the reason why chess takes skill, is because it doesn't use speed or accuracy, and those are key parts to what "skill" means, the ability to out manuever, out perform, and out think everyone else. Chess doesn't rely solely on quickness, true, but it is a part, why else would the championship chess leagues require you to use a clock and follow strict time requirements (meaning you have to be quick, you cant just sit for 5 hours and think).

Ok i'll give you that one i wasn't talking about pro league chess i was talking about the commonly know features of the game worldwide and quickness isn't one of them but nontheless it is a chess feature

You seam to have a TOTAL bias against people who play video games, thinking that games (in general) don't take skill, because it isn't something that you can repeat in real life (IE slaying dragons etc), but games use dexterity (the ability to out click / out manuever your oponents), accuracy (the ability to not only move your mouse quickly, but to move them to the right place), and plenty of ingenuity (the ability to think quickly on your feet [or butt as the case may be] and be able to do complexe rationalities while on the move, to be able to determine what you should do, how, and when. Basically, the ability to out think your opponent). 
If the aforementioned items are not what determine "Skill" for you, I suggest you go and look it up in the dictionary. Or maybe go see a theropist.

If i'm biased against people that play games then i'm biased towards myself too because i am a gamer myself which in turn makes this some sort of split personallity  disorder  But i guess that's just your opinion i'm only biased as far as people like you are concerned, that's the sort of people that take the whole gaming thing a bit to seriously ( talking about skills and 'out clicking'[WTF does that even mean] their opponent)and not so on it's fun side.

Therapist???Nah, doesn't work too expensive. I prefer my local bar that has one of those bartenders that know how to listen (now that's an actual skill) and who knows maybe i'll get lucky enough and find a chick that's drunk enough to come home with me

 

First off, I am from the USA, so we call it a Resume (and yes I have one), second off, you can infact put gaming achievements on certain resumes, for instance if you were trying to get into the gaming industry, such as Quality Assurance or Design, if you won a world championship at First Person Shooters, they would be someone inclined to listen to your point of view on how to make a good First Person Shooter, or equipment to go along with said games (such as Infinity with his brand of Sound Cards and Head Sets).
Now would I put that I had a level 80 Mage on my resume to Kinkos, probably not, that would get you laughed out the door. (and no I dont play wow).

And why do I think you dislike gamers? Because you mock gaming in general, you degenerate it down to just "point and click", and to a certain degree it is, for those who are less inclined to know better (you). I play first person shooters mainly, I am talking about America's Army, Battlefield, Call of Duty, and the like, if you go into one of those games, and think that who wins has nothing to do with skill, then thats probably cause you are never the winner.

"Care to explain to me how exactly is pressing the mouse button really fast while strafing is a skill??"
I will, because it can be broken down to Hand Eye Coordination. Me being able to move my aim reticle over your head, and pull the trigger takes the same brain work that a Drag Racer uses to see a green light, and hit the gas while shifting gears in order to beat his opponent by fractions of a second, just like I get a headshot on you by just a fraction of a second before you can shoot back.

"Games are supposed to be fun first the instant that 'professionalism' is added the fun factor goes right out the window for me cause soon after we have people running around flaunting their ' game achievements' and 'uber elite status' demanding,some times, recognition for things that nobody but them could possibly care"
Once again, you bring in personality traits. You assume that because some people are better then others, they will/have to flaunt it. You recognize that there are people who are better, but you don't recognize WHY there are people who are better. Tell me this, if it isn't skill, then what is it? If you and I are going against each other, and all outstanding factors are equal (gear, level, etc) and I win by a large margin, WHY did that happen? Lets say we go at it again, and the same result happens, WHY did I win? Luck? Fate? No pal, I think its because I am better, thus I am more skilled then you are at the game. Why are you so reluctant to admit that skill does factor into it?

"If i'm biased against people that play games then i'm biased towards myself too"
I appologize, I misworded what I wanted to say, let me rephrase. You aren't biased against gamers, you are biased against gamers who are better then you. Whether they flaunt it or not, you shrug it off as something along the lines of "luck" and say it doesn't "take skill" because you don't want to admit it to yourself, so you make excuses, and you dodge the real issue, and it doesn't matter how much you get proven wrong, you aren't going to admit it, so I am just going to end this little rant now. Have fun :P

Originally posted by egotrip

Yes they are both games but only one of them has 1)a world championship 2)a world champion 3) can look good in your CV 4)exists in both RL and VL 5) has professionals (people that make money playing it) at it. Besides chess isn't a game of speed and accuracy it's a game of patience and yes predicting your opponents next move,personally i get a headache after only an hour of playing chess.

I hope Darkfall will be the same.

I hope not, getting a headache after an hour of playing doesn't sound too appealing to me

 

 

 

Clearly you have a problem with playing video games (which makes me wonder why you are on MMORPG.Com, but I digress)
Think about what you are saying, before you type it please.
1) Many Video Games have world championships (I was almost flown to Korea 2 years ago to participate in a World Championship for a FPS video game, so your wrong on the first one)
2) If there are world championships (and there are) then there are also victors, who then become the world champions, so you are wrong on the second one too (I know the people who won the WC for that game, I hate them for going instead of me -.- lol)
3) Dunno what a CV is, might wanna clarify on your acronyms :P 
4) That statement is just ignorant, I mean seriously, saying that it doesn't take skill because there aren't trolls and goblins running around in real life for you to kill is just pathetic.
5) There are tons of profesionals, someone posted about Fatality, he is a profesional gamer, and there are profesional gaming teams, who are on TV (and yea, there are shows about people playing Dead or Alive, and Counter strike/various other games) and teams get paid for winning, especially when they win the championship of their league/whatever, so you are WRONG AGAIN.
6) You state that the reason why chess takes skill, is because it doesn't use speed or accuracy, and those are key parts to what "skill" means, the ability to out manuever, out perform, and out think everyone else. Chess doesn't rely solely on quickness, true, but it is a part, why else would the championship chess leagues require you to use a clock and follow strict time requirements (meaning you have to be quick, you cant just sit for 5 hours and think).

You seam to have a TOTAL bias against people who play video games, thinking that games (in general) don't take skill, because it isn't something that you can repeat in real life (IE slaying dragons etc), but games use dexterity (the ability to out click / out manuever your oponents), accuracy (the ability to not only move your mouse quickly, but to move them to the right place), and plenty of ingenuity (the ability to think quickly on your feet [or butt as the case may be] and be able to do complexe rationalities while on the move, to be able to determine what you should do, how, and when. Basically, the ability to out think your opponent). 
If the aforementioned items are not what determine "Skill" for you, I suggest you go and look it up in the dictionary. Or maybe go see a theropist.

 lol, was replyin to popinjay who used the term gaijin, not you xD

And yea, I hope you get in and play it soon :P