I'm a longtime fan and supporter of STO, I've been around since day one and stuck with is for the last three years. I know what people mean when they say that the game at launch was a shell of what it is now. I'm proud of what Cryptic has done with the game and happy to have been their for the majority of the games post-development development :P . I've been playing MMOs since EQ1 and UO and never stuck to one like I have with STO.

As a long time STO player I will gladly announce to anyone that this is the time to give it a try even if you crossed it off two or three years ago. STO of 2013 is nothing like STO of 2010.

Originally posted by Stromm

Originally posted by waynejr2
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Find a healer friend and play as a team would be my advice. The health stone thing is a cost of soloing by the sound of it.

I'd say getting a healer companion would be a smart choice as well.

I think you're missing the point. Neverwinter isn't D&D, that's kinda a given. D&D is a pen and paper game played at home or another location with friends. Neverwinter is an MMORPG played on a computer with thousands of other people. With that said D&D is a tag that states that Neverwinter holds true to the lore and ideals of D&D and the Forgotten Realms but no one said it was a direct PC port of the true D&D game.

I will say that Neverwinter holds true to many of the concepts of D&D 4e but when playing it I have to remind myself that it is D&D. What it does do right is the feel of the skills, you have nearly just as many skills as you would if you were playing the Pen and Paper version. However that is where I draw the line and realize that Neverwinter is and MMORPG first and foremost. You'll see hundreds of hit points worth of damage and be able to take out full groups of orcs by yourself all while climbing a level tree that ends around 50 or 60 not 20 or 30 like the Pen and Paper game.

If you want D&D then I say go play D&D. Neverwinter is an MMORPG based on D&D and the Forgotten Realms setting.

Originally posted by jesteralways

Originally posted by 4bsolute

Originally posted by issling
All the body types are the same. They could just add a thousand silly faces and it makes no difference.

Welcome to Game-recycling. Invented by Blizzard in World of Warcraft. How many models did they actually took over from one expansion to another? Countless...

I've posted so many threads on this back in the days in their forums, how I felt like I was fooled by their developers. I mean it was and is such an obvious source of laziness.

Horrible, if you ask me. No real artist in the world who works with his heart would tolerate such action.

yes everything is blizzard's fault. some company spends 150 million $ in a crappy game engine and that is blizzard's fault. some company tries to nickle-dime basic gUI feature like quickbars/hide head slot  and that is also blizzard's fault. some company can't even fix the bugs reported in beta testing and that is blizzard's fault. grow up man.

I can agree with you here. I may not be a fan of blizzard and I may not really play there games but I respect the quality and polish they release more often than bugs and broken mechanics.

Originally posted by Vorthanion
As far as shooter MMOs go, I much prefer Planetside 2 over Defiance.

I think Defiance stands on a different side of the MMOFPS universe. Defiance is by far more supportive of co-op play while Planetside 2 is purely RvRvR.

Originally posted by xsidurax22

1.  Xbox, from what I've heard, has the larger community.  In an MMO, community trumps textures.

2.   When you're running around shooting, the textures aren't that noticeable.  They are muddier than the PC version, but the PC version of the game doesn't look spectacular either (textures look about 5 years old or so - like a console, but a little higher resolution!).  

3. Most important point for me:  a level playing field.  If you play on the Xbox, you are playing with an Xbox controller against other people with Xbox controllers.  If you're into PVP at all, this should be important.  The controls in this game lend themselves to using a controller.  Having said that, it's tough to compete with the precision of a mouse, even though I personally prefer sitting back playing with a controller.  I hate the idea of me playing with a less precise controller getting owned by people with a more precise mouse (I recognize this is debateable).  At least this way, I know I'm beating someone else, or getting beat by someone else, on an even playing field. 

4. If you have a Live sub already, that's not an issue either.  If you don't have a Live sub and would only be using it for this game, it gets a bit pricey.   I could see how it might be hard to convince someone to pay for the game plus Live.  Then again, it's only 5 bucks a month -- less than most MMO subs.

5.  It's just cool playing an MMO on an Xbox.

 

 

 

 

I agree the larger the community the better for any MMO. Honestly I think the PS3 has the smallest community. Last night I was on at 2am and I soloed a minor arch fall mainly because well... there wasn't anyone around. I still love my PS3 copy of the game but yes I would just recomend the Xbox version to the OPer simply for the number of people playing it. On gamespot.com I believe they stated that 75ish % of the sales in the UK were all on Xbox. So yah, Defiance seems to be the Xbox MMO of choice. If you have a PS3 then buy that one and join me lol!

As for part 4. that was the reason I picked PS3 even though I have an Xbox. I don't have a live memebership and I didn't want to have to pay for the live membership. Because of that I've been playing most of my games on PS3 when I get the choice simply because PSN is free.

Originally posted by steamtank

3 factions and this game would still be installed.

i was in mid beta and knew the 1 sided onslaughts were going to destroy the servers.

so I played until we capped the server and I quit.

I agree I always felt that the two faction RvR was the games major downfall. They should have had Order v. Distruction v. Chaos (Chaos could have been its own faction if they had used Chaos dwarves and a wider range of chaos units). I don't know it just didn't seem to work. It was a fun game for a while and public quests really helped games like GW2 and Rift get the idea and run with it. It's just sad that the game fell appart so baddly. 

Originally posted by fallenlords

What drew me to Defiance was having an MMO on Xbox,  I just wanted to see if it worked well. Overall it's a good and fun game on Xbox, suits a controller, but the textures are a bit muddy.  So if clean/crisp graphics are your thing perhaps go with the PC.  It also takes quite a chunk of disk space on your Xbox, 10gb, with a rumored further 10gb of download.   So if you are tight on Xbox disk space it may be worth going PC just for that reason.  Other than that UI is probably more console friendly than PC and like I say does suit a controller.

I agree with you here. I got it on my PS3 because I wanted a console MMO and I'm enjoying it a ton. I hope PS4 gets some MMOs on it too like Everquest Next. The one thing I like about consoles is that you know when you pop the disk into your system that it'll run, and hardware won't be an issue (most of the time). You don't want to know how many times I've loaded a game on my computer only to find that I have to troubleshoot it for hours before I can get it to work. If the game dosn't work on one console, chances are everyone else will have the same problem too.

I agree though with that Fallenlords said. The textures are good, but the thing I have with the PS3 version is I think its anti-asling (I'm sorry not good with technical terms). It bassicaly is that the edges of objects arn't as "sharp" as they could be. I'm sure PC players don't deal with that as much as console players. Other than that the game is gorgious and if you just wana play a console MMORPG just fot he novelty of it then I'd say Xbox. I have to admit I'm so impressed with how good it feels to play an MMO on a console that if PS4 (the systme of choice for me) gets MMOs then I'll probably migrate over there for most of the next generation of MMOs (well I will stick with PC just to play Pathfinder and ESO lol).

Originally posted by Bigdaddyx

It is really sad that you guys had to attack him even though all he did was talk about the game. Granted he didn't give a laundry list of things he disliked but did he really deserved to be ridiculed for his grammar for instance?

Why do you guys act as if someone insulted your mother everytime some dude tries to give negative opinion about the game?

I agree, attacking people for their opinion isn't right. However when posting that opinion it's also good not to post with an inflamitory tittle like Not worth it. NOT! perhaps, Short comings of Defiance and Why you may want to wait or something to that effect. I've written a few reviews in my time and I'll tell you I always get the most respectful responses when I create more level-headed titles. The majority of people will read the title and enter the article with a bias based soley on that short bit of text. As a reviewer its good to know that even if a game is truely bad that there will be people out there that like, even love it. So when righting those reviews to avoid those fans from jumping down your throat it's good to approch them less agressively.

As I posted above I like the game. However I understand that it's not a fully featured MMORPG. Rather its a combination of MMO features in a Co-op shooter. In my mind this is ground breaking and could lead to more FPS-MMORPG hybrids with even more depth in the future. It's not for everyone but if your a FPS fan this is ground breaking territory, but as I mentioned if your a MMORPG fan then it's not as much of a change to what you're used to. The game isn't bad by any means but as MMORPG players many may feel that it lacks key features, which is why in my mind Trion tried to avoid the MMORPG tag. Destiny (another similar game coming out soon) may have the same short comings as an MMORPG but as a MMOFPS it will bring a whole group of players (FPSers) into the MMO community which is in its own right groundbreaking in the game industry.

Originally posted by erikk3189

Before this game went live I had come here to read players reveiws from those at it's beta. I should of listened and I didn't.

I read so many bad reviews about so many things wrong with this game but I figured since it's beta, they'll most likely fix them before going live. I was wrong. The game is in shambles. Very little works correctly.

There's no chat between players whatsoever. I was going to make a list of some of the things wrong and not working but it would take too long, not to mention, I just don't care enough to do so.

 

I should of listen to many of your posts. I would of saved money and troubles.

 

That'll teach me!

I just got the game for PS3 and honestly I'm loving it. It's the best of Rift + Borderlands. If you look at it like that and less like a traditional PC mmorpg then you'll find a lot right about this game. I know that Trion will be adding a lot to the game as it progresses over time so I'm enjoying it. Honestly I've been waiting for a decent console MMORPG and I'm happy to say Defiance fits the bill nicely. However the sad part is that the game came during the last year of the PS3/Xbox 360 era. I just hope that they transfer the ability to play on our PS4/Xbox 720s when those come out becuase MMOs are supposed to last years not a year.

Originally posted by DSWBeef

This isnt the next "wow killer" 

ROFL, people are still talking about games that are trying to "kill wow" last time I checked wow was killing itself.

Originally posted by snapfusion

Originally posted by KingofHartz
Its fun but on a ps3 48 vs 48 pvp and 300 people pve fighting an arkfall is an absolute mess. Its very chaotic which I do enjoy but performance wise its a mess. Day 2 seemed to bring on many many new players and the ps3 servers are overloaded.
Its still fun and very chaotic. The performance issue in pvp is unacceptable pve gets away with a bit more so long as you dont die but bith can be fixed and hopefully soon they will be.

Gee what a shame, I had roughly, 80 people on screen last night in the middle of a super chaotic event, cars, people monsters zerging everwhere and I was still pulling a solid 60 plus FPS on my, I admit rather beefy PC.  But my point is dont expect to play a game like this on your toy console and get the console single player button mashing performance your used to from the comfort of your sofa.   Suck it up and buy a PC or pop in the lastest console shooter disc and stop complaining.

That was a bit harsh. Consoles are fine tuned gaming machines (though this generation is nearly over and the current systems we have are now outdated) but PC gaming is not 100% the best way to go or without major drawbacks. I've been PC gaming since 1999 (gaming in general since around 1986) and I can tell you PC gaming is in general unreliable. PC's are all differant. One person may have an Nvidia graphics card and another an ATI. You may find out that your ATI graphics card is buggy at best with Game A, but on game B you may run super smooth. Also some games may come out that don't even run on your system or that you'll have to spend days troubleshooting. The nice things about consoles is that they're unified. Developers know the hardware like the back of their hands and know what it can do, and they know every player has the same hardware. With that in mind they can build games specificaly tailored to run on those systems.

The reason Defiance is having issues on consoles like that is mainly due to the fact that this generation of consoles is ending this year (or next year). After that PS4 and Xbox 720 will be upto speed and you'll see PCs for a while on a similar level. PC gaming is great, but it does have major drawbacks just as console gaming does too. So yes I hate it when PC gamers get on their high horse and act like PCs are the end-all gaming platform and that no other platform is valid or worth anyones time. For the longest time at the start of this generation of gaming it was consoles not PCs that were holding the industry up. PC gaming may be becoming more popular these days and a lot of people keep talking about the consoles eventual demise but I honestly don't see it happening any time soon. Remember most games in general are built and developed for consoles and PCs are in some ways an after thought, a market that developers exploit because it's so easy to port their games over because in many cases they were designed on PCs.

So next time your playing your AAA PC title (that happens to be on Xbox or PS) just remember that the devs were likely creating the game to cash in on the multi-billion dollar console market and my point with that is that modern gaming owes much of its recent evolution to consoles and the console market.

Originally posted by Yizle

Originally posted by Pantero44

Originally posted by Yavin_Prime
 And for now, CHAT is better spent linking with friends on XBL, or if you're on PC, thru Teamspeak, Ventrillo, Mumble or w/e else!...lol

 

2 cans and string may be better then the chat system. But I definately agree I play on PC and outside voice comms are a necessity unless you want to solo play.

Ok, but I wanted to know if the X360 version has only voice chat or if it has some sort of text chatting too? I'm assuming that it only supports voice chat though.

Originally posted by Pantero44

Originally posted by Yavin_Prime
I was thinking of buying this game on Xbox 360 rather than PC but my question is: How do the console versions compare to the PC version in graphics, gameplay, and overall performance?

It looks great on XBox as it does on PC. Granted, depending on the gaming performance of your PC, you'll be able to squeeze out a little better performance and visual than XBox, but that's a given for PC Users. Although, you're really not going to get any different issues by running one over the other.

 

The only thing, according to the platform you pick, will be in the matter of navigating thru the UI. Even thought it was made for both platforms, using a controller will make things a bit more easier. And for now, CHAT is better spent linking with friends on XBL, or if you're on PC, thru Teamspeak, Ventrillo, Mumble or w/e else!...lol

 

With the Xbox 360 version is there text chat or is it all voice chat?

I have to admit after playing the first 15 levels I'm a bit shocked at how much I enjoy the game. Honestly it's nothing special, it's a very average KMMORPG. The quests are almost always "kill 10 of this" or "get to this point". As the OP mentioned the game dosn't lie to you in anyway. It is what it is and nothing more.

My only downside is that they didn't include male avatars (half naked of course), I wouldn't play one myself but I think it'd only be fair to the side of the MMO community that would want to play that. Perhaps in the future? Lastly I will say that yes this game is not for kids, but people forget it's nothing new. I remember topless dancers in all the major cities of Age of Conan. So yah SB isn't anything new, it just took the concept and ran with it, and then some.

Bottom Line: Fun KMMORPG, dosn't do anything new and at the price of $0 it's worth a try, if its your cup of tea.

Originally posted by tordurbar

Once again I am amazed. Games that literally throw blood at the screen and no complaints. But babes in very skimpy bikinis - hang the developers! Very American. 

 

You know I have to agree with that point. If you're going to be ok with massive ammounts of gore and death then the polar opposite shouldn't be an issue. However I will add that I think it'd be only fair to have some nearly naked male characters in the game for lady gamers to play. 

Then again I guess more people are ok with murder, slaughter, and genocide then they are with sexuality, but hey that makes for a healthy society dosn't it?

Originally posted by ssunatzu
Just making my recommendation to those who may be thinking about playing EVE Online. The game will take you 2 years to play before you can actively participate in null security space.  Anything less than this and you will die on a regular basis.  You lose your ship and possibly game time from death encounters. Unless you spend a lot of time 'farming' for replacement ISK(currency) you will have to buy PLEX to support your gaming lifestyle.  The numbers speak for themselves.  This game could be in contention against World of Warcraft but the developers do not see the big picture.  To me this is called, "denial". Tell the game developers you do not approve of this by not playing EVE Online.  Stay away from this game.  Otherwise, you will spend most of your time developing your character.  If you do not mind waiting for about 2 years to play effectvely, then go for it. I plan to do so but I realize as well that it will take me forever before I can play with the Big Boys.

I can see where you're coming from and yes 2 years is a good number for being awsomeish on EvE. However that to most players isn't a bad thing. Old timers like myself remember games being hardcore. EQ1 and UO at launch had a lot in common with EVE. Rather than bash the game I would have been constructive and said don't play this game unless you want a hardcore experience.

Originally posted by SimonTemplar

Originally posted by IG-88
I do what i want with my money.

I think thats what he was saying . It seems nowadays most that partake of such foolishness has more dollars than sense .

That's highly narrowminded of you. What makes one person happy wont always make another person happy. The person who buys a BMW when they could have bought a VW or a Toyota and gotten a similarly good car is "wasting" their money to another person. In other terms the person buying a three bedroom house with an acre of land that they don't plan to develop beyond grass and they live alone could have easily rented a one bedroom apartment and saved money. What makes each and every person happy and what they value is different and unique. Judging people like you've done is just plain rude. Then again I'm sure there is something you buy with your money that other people would call you a "fool" for. If everyone did the "sensible" thing with their money 100% of the the world would quickly become a boring place.