I don't know if there's a decent MMO out there with varying classes on each side.. WoW tried it early on with Paladin/Shaman, but they ended up giving it to both sides..  I don't think giving both sides completely different classes is even possible to balance properly, and I wouldn't have wanted the devs wasting their time trying to balance everything when they could add content or fix actual bugs.  I think if they didn't do this, then all of the complaints would be about one side having an OP class, which is just as annoying.

My complaints would be that there aren't enough classes..

I'd love one if you've got extras

I def got cut off the list and I was the next one on the top :(

if I could get one, I'll send mine to 2 other people on the list

any chance I could get a key?

Ok everyone, here's the plan.  Don't tell this guy that for his $10 box at best buy he can bring in the reciept and get that off the cost of the game when he picks it up!

Darn you, NC Soft! How dare you take that extra money from us!  I put down $49.99 for my preorder!

Originally posted by bossalinie

Comparing Bioware to Blizzard? Man, get out with that...Bioware needs to watch out for Bethsiba(sp) Ent. ever more and their talk about a Fallout MMO....

I don't think I would even count the Fallout MMO for Bethesda..  They supposedly contracted it to Masthead Studios.  So all of the Fallout MMOs success or failure will be on those crazy Bulgarians..

LInk Realms?

Not entirely trying to start an argument.. But he presented the question in a terrible way...

There are games that require more player skill to be good at.  But I'll assume you mean a game that has a skill based "class" system.

I believe Darkfall is skill-based.. It's also hard to get into because they can only sell a limited amount of accounts until they get multiple stable servers.

I think everyone talks about Mortal Online like it's Darkfall except better/less disappointing.  Darkfall doesn't have the best performance right now, but the concept is good from what I can tell.  A lot like UO, but that's what we all say whenever a new "hardcore pvp" game comes out.

Originally posted by VultureSkull

Originally posted by tool089

To all the naysayers that think this guy is trolling, you are incorrect...

I played AoC at launch and now on the same rig, and I could play on high both times.  Before the graphics were amazing, now mine look just like his screenshot.  I believe they did something to the trial client so that they could try to boost performance and make it seem like they really got the bugs out and made the game run smooth..  It looks absolutely terrible on my computer compared to when I played before and I upgraded to much better monitors since then...

 

That screenshot has no textures on and hence it looks bad. If you have the same problem, try getting the textures to come on.

By playing with the video setting in the game.

Graphics in AOC are some of the best in the industry that is a known fact. If you are not getting that then either your PC is outdated or your drivers are.

It's fascinating that you completely ignored the point of my reply.  I have the graphics on the highest settings.  My drivers are fine, they were fine the first time I played back in May-July.  I saw the textures then and I do not see them now.  Do you not understand that they have a trial client and a full client you can download?  The trial client could easily only allow you to have terrible graphics so this "awesome" trial they're letting us have for free makes us think they boosted performance.  Also, it's interesting that they are allowing me to play through Tortage.  Was there -ever- a problem with Tortage? No.  It was really fun.  It's when you go to the actual game that it becomes buggy and boring.

To all the naysayers that think this guy is trolling, you are incorrect...

I played AoC at launch and now on the same rig, and I could play on high both times.  Before the graphics were amazing, now mine look just like his screenshot.  I believe they did something to the trial client so that they could try to boost performance and make it seem like they really got the bugs out and made the game run smooth..  It looks absolutely terrible on my computer compared to when I played before and I upgraded to much better monitors since then...

Ganking is only fair when the ganker is risking something himself..  He may be able to drop you in a second, but you should have a chance to find him and fight him one on one or ten on one to get revenge.  Most modern MMOs don't have a required set of time you must stay logged in after you've killed someone and also have no search player feature that allows for hunting someone down.

Back in the day, I played a UO type game where killing someone meant you were stuck in the game for the next 10 mins.  And there was a spell 'Find Person' that could tell you simple cardinal directions of where a person is, but with a "very far" "far" or no adjective which says roughly home many screens worth distance they are from you.  This allowed for the ganker to be put on an actual KoS list, you could hunt them down while they were alone or with friends.  Still, by killing someone in the form of ganking, you could easily get killed back at some point.

Goodness, they got me excited when I heard they finally had te trial available...  I played beta, early release, and a few of the first months.  I thought I was going to test the parts of the game they had screwed up before, but in actuality, this is just another chance to play through Tortage.

Tortage was a ton of fun.  I had more fun going to zones there to pvp a bit because it was a concentrated group of people my level.  After Tortage, the game loses its luster.  Pvp is either greatly unfair or there's no one nearby.  The rest of the game is the buggy part, and the enjoyable voiceover quests are few and far between.  I would not recommend paying 50 for the game or resubbing after this trial..

Interesting argument about AoC.

I'd have to say less marketing would have kept subs higher.  They flat out didn't include half the features that made me want to try the game in the first place.  There was enough there that I would have tried it out, and I totally enjoyed it.  I just felt empty inside because there wasn't mechanics that I was told there would be.

Marketing in general is not a bad thing.  They should have marketed the real product instead of the idea of a product.  If Darkfall is ready to start today, as Tasos said, then there is no reason they cannot do a small marketing plan.  No marketing will have the game try to survive off fanbase only, it needs just a bit more to get people interested in it.

a) Professional opinion - I'm sure other game developers dislike WoW.  Not just because it's popular, but because they have the numbers and their game is decent at best.  Casual gamers love how easy it is, while developers hate how casual gamers could love it.

b) Pseudo-professional opinion - All the press loves it.  They look just at numbers.  If there's a couple million people playing it because they've never played an MMO and this one is much easier than the other ones out there, they see it as a couple million votes for why this game is amazing.

c) A typical PC-gamer's opinion - A typical PC gamer, such as one from the games listed, would not really care about WoW.  There are other PC games that sell better because there's a much larger market for a game where you have a gun and shoot such and such enemy.

d) The 'Veteran' - Well, let's start out by not including ANYONE that has WoW as their first MMO.  They have been tainted.  Considering -real- veterans, they've seen there's mechanics out there that the casual gamer can't handle, so WoW obviously can't include them.  These mechanics are small pieces of every MMO that came before WoW.  They are the things that kept us attached to those games.  WoW ignores all unique mechanics and takes a generic approach to it all so that no one feels negative emotions while playing the game.  Who wants that?

So trolls decided server merges are bad?  I thought the gerenal troll opinion was Mythic is dumb because they've got populations spread out too much, so their big new thing (RvR) was pointless with so few people.

Concentrating players to several well populated servers to show how fun RvR is and then attract more players to fill new servers isn't exactly a bad idea...

Originally posted by battleaxe22

And here is a little taste of reality...

 

http://www.xfire.com/games/who/Warhammer_Online_Age_of_Reckoning/

Can't fall back on xfire.  Mostly just wow players bother with it.  So the numbers are skewed away from every other game.. The only way for other games to get any players/hours in on that is when the percent of the MMO population that uses xfire is also the percent of the xfire users that play WoW and something else, and that percentage has to be the percentage that plays WoW and WAR.

Your statistics don't have anymore backing than the scenario I have set up.  Who's to say which is true? You fail.

And to be completely honest, what's it matter if the MMO player has been playing for so many years?  The longer we've played, the more perspective we've got.  I've got a viewpoint that I don't need all my games to have WoW UI and I don't need to farm raids for gear.  I can see the quality, or lack there of, in any game.  Don't look to forums for an opinion, make one for yourself.  Play the game and try it out.  Most of them have trials.. or are free to begin with..

Did you just say you don't like the opinions of anyone on this forum and then follow it up by asking for their opinion on a better forum?

This is the best forum ever! You can't find one that does MMOs better than this!  It's unique and somehow better than the rest!

This is the worst forum ever, it's too generic, it's not what I expected.  Whenever I'm looking for something I crash to desktop or get lag cause I'm running a PC from the mid 90's.

This forum isn't that great, you should probably go to w ww.bettermmoforums.com. They're so much better than this, you should try it.  You'll never leave it.

So yeah, instead of whining, you could just look around..  There's dozens of MMO sites and they've got forums too.  You'll find about the same crowd at all of them though.  If you're looking for nothing but positive feedback, try finding a fansite for the game you want to hear good stuff about.  If it's run by fans, they can keep the haters out by banning them or deleting posts/threads.

Destruction complaining Order is overpowered?

I played a BW in beta (which isn't a full perspective of the game, I know, but it's a glimpse).  Destro has tanks like crazy.  I could kill a tank solo maybe, but even if I've got a healer or two, I can't take an equal number of tanks..