All Posts by Burnthebed

Originally posted by Zindaihas

I hear that word used to describe WoW more than any other.  What makes it so popular?  It's a polished game with very few bugs.

But I guy I was talking to who is a veteran of MMOs said it has more bugs than people think.  He just believes that since WoW is the first MMO for so many people, they just think it's more polished than it really is.

As an example, he said that a character can disrupt a spellcaster's spell just by stepping into him as he's about to cast.  You don't have to hit him with a weapon, simply touch him.  He said that's a bug that players just seem to live with.

Eh, WoW is about as good as any MMO that has released in the past 10 years. Bugs happen in a persistent world where people push the envelope of what the game is intended to do, and WoW is no different.

Originally posted by ABRaquel

Am I the only one that really doesn't care which game is the best?

When Darkfall comes out, I'll buy it and play, the same thing with AoC, WAR, TCoS, etc...

I like MMOs and if a game is satisfying and fun, I'll buy it.

What the developer for AoC said about Darkfall, is it a lie?

I will buy and try most every MMO that comes out. I am a fan of the genre, and as such I like to be up to date on the best games for me.

You are the winner!

Originally posted by Aragon100

Wondered abit why Tasos were so on the offence in last Developer Journal towards (as i read it )especially the game Age of Conan and its develpers Funcom.

This might be one of the reasons behind all the turbulance. A thread from the Age of Conan website. Some cheap shots from a Age of Conan developer.

http://forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=19320&page=3

In this thread you can read about statements like this from Developer Athelan.

[QUOTE] Athelan- developer of Age of Conan:

Pre-Order now for the low low price of only 6 payments of 99.99 and we will throw in this brand new kitchen sink for free, AND WAIT THATS NOT ALL get this complete box set of ABBA's greatest hits!... AND WE MUST BEEEE CRAAAAZZZZYY BECAUSE NOT ONLY ARE WE GOING TO GIVE YOU THAT BUT I AM GOING TO GIVE YOU THE COMBO JUICER SUPER SQUIEGEE HIGH POWER WASHING FULLY CARBIDE KITCHEN KUNG FU IRON CHEF KNIFE SET! BUY NOW!

Thats what that video makes me think of.

I mean if the game comes out with 1/10th of what is claimed there. If it only delivered on skill based, open pvp that was fun. I would check it out at least. But anytime I see claims like that I just can't take it serious. But thats a fan movie so hopefully they are not promising all that. [/QUOTE]

Another one from same developer and same thread-

[QUOTE] Athelan- developer of Age of Conan:

Dont they have like infinite time and money now thanks to some rich sheik's son from the middle east?[/QUOTE]

And the last one i found in same thread-

[QUOTE] Athelan- developer of Age of Conan:

Well there is a big difference between making some promises and not being able to deliver everything, and literally promising everything :P

It's like saying I promise to buy you a new car by the end of the year. At the end of the year I didn't buy you a brand new BMW I ended up buying a Honda.

But if I promised to buy you a Ferrari, and said no not just a Ferrari but a Ferrari Enzo, with custom solid gold rims, and full leather interior custom made out of lambskin. Then delivered you a used 1983 Mazda, or a toy car looking like a Ferrari ;p. [/QUOTE]

This kind of behaviour is really tasteless and is hitting below the belt. No wonder Tasos gave some pounches to Funcom after reading this.

And Tasos own responce to this turbulance can be read in thread link below on the Darkfall board and its way more mature then the represant from Funcom outburst on Darkfall developers and their game.

http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=32653

[QUOTE] Tasos Flambouras- Darkfall Developer :

You'll never catch Darkfall developers taking cheap shots against other MMOs. Aside from adhering to professional courtesy standards, we're not that concerned about them to bother. You shouldn't be either.

I'll lock this thread now if that's alright.[/QUOTE]

 

 

 

 

 

How come you haven't posted a new post regarding the fact that your Golden boy Tasos fired back with equally unprofessional behavior? Why is it ok for Adventurine and not for Funcom? Why the bias?

Originally posted by Shannia

 

Originally posted by mbrandybuck

 

Originally posted by Friction2u

Originally posted by Daedalus732

 

Originally posted by Friction2u

Heh ... an AoC developer - a game that is now officially just glorified adware - takes makes cheap shots at a proper game.

 

A proper game actually makes its way into stores. Enough said there.

Call me when AoC actually makes it into stores. With the release date getting pushed back all the time I'm starting to think it's just vapourware.

 

Unbelievable...

This is the state of Darkfall fans. Is there something wrong with you? Or do you just enjoy acting like a moron? I realize that the Internet allows idiots to hide behind their real identity, but come on. Give me a break.

Can't you simply make a "valid" argument for your cherished game?

Thinking AOC will be an excellent title is NOT the point. The point is simply this. AOC is an "actual" game, like or not. It has been played by thousands of people, like it or not. It has been previewed by dozens of professional gaming magazines and Internet sites, like it or not. It is ACTUALLY releasing on May 20, 2008. People have pre-ordered this title, like it or not.

In simple words for obvious simple minds... AOC actually exists !!!

No one has ever actually played Darkfall nor seen it. Please don't give me the Asp story, it's neither credible or believable. In fact... There is NO proof whatsoever that an actual working alpha build of Darkfall has ever been made.

But you and the others can continue in your little dream worlds, till Hell freezes over if you like. We can rehash this post next year at this time.

I can't wait to hear the new excuses.

 

I agree with everything you said except one point.  Asp has flown to Greece and has played the game.  (so the story goes since he has pictures of office that looks like very temporary office space... i.e. nothing at all on the walls except a single Darkfall Online poster and a coat rack.)

 

How does having some pictures of a ratty office space with a poster for the game turn into him being in greece and playing it? You sure he wasn't in Macon Georgia hanging out with his buddies who printed out a poster for darkfall?

Though I may not see things through the rose tinted glasses that most of you guys do I will say that the latest screens look leaps and bounds better than the older ones.

I especially like the one of the dwarf, and ALL of the landscapes. I sincerely hope the game does come out (though I am a skeptic and I am proud of that), and that it comes out as good as they are promising. If gamers have learned anything though from the past it is that promises are worth about as much as the air they are made of in the MMO world.

Again though, the new screens look great.

Originally posted by Trollstar

 

Originally posted by Burnthebed

 

Originally posted by downtoearth

more less an educated guess guess will will find out if im right : )

hey imjust vocing my opionion like the naysayers do see how flusterd you guys get : )

 

So then you are admitting to trolling?

Hey, hey, hey, if anyone's going to be doing any trolling I want in on the action.

 

I think its might actually beta to someone by next year.

(large emphasis on the 'one')

 

 

Oooh oh oh oh ME ME ME ME....Over here! Me ME! Wait, why are you pointing at that other kid MEEEEEE!!!!

Originally posted by Aragon100

This latest update was really inspiring. So many questions answered and Darkfall seems to be the only good options arround. Age of Conan with all its enviromental restrictions like invisible walls and zones seems to me just like any another failed project and a miserable MMORPG. I will try to summarize and discuss the latest Darkfall developer journal the best i can and put some of my thoughts on it.

Latest developer journal was one of the best i read so far. Alot of interesting read for a Darkfall fan. Lets discuss. 

1: Publishing. They decided to selfpublish in one region which is really nice info and what i personally wanted them to do all along. Keeping full control over the game is never something bad. Wonder what region? My guess is Europe.=)

2: Beta.  Very nice to read theyre not giving out a beta date before they know its the right day. No more failed beta announcements. And its very honest of them not too demand any money from the community in advance, Darkfall preorders arent applicable. They dont demand a cent in advance from players before they actually tried the game which is exactly like it should be. And it tells me they is very confident in their product. Other game companies do it the other way arround, just look at Funcom, the Age of Conan developing company. Hyping up a game and the preordering players dont actually know what they will get is nothing but unethical to me. And its greedy. And it makes me wonder, do they actually have some faith in their own product?

3: Graphics. We got info that is very promising for the common player about what is needed to play Darkfall. You wont need the best computer available to perform well in Darkfall. Graphics are very scalable and the Darkfall engine can be set to auto-scale real-time to maintain your desired framerate which is very good. That your own scaled-down graphics wont look like crap in comparison to the graphics seen on the latest screenshots. Seems you can play the game on Geforce 6600 grahic card and get graphic as shown in the these latest screenshots.

http://www.darkfallonline.com/gallery/races/orks_01?full=1

http://www.darkfallonline.com/gallery/races/orks_08?full=1

http://www.darkfallonline.com/gallery/races/mahirim_07?full=1

This seems VERY promising to me since most of the newer MMORPG games available and the ones under development seems to have far to hi graphic demands. Just look at Age of Conan which most likely will be a lagfeast during large battles if you run the graphic settings on highest available. Lots of lag is never good for your game experience if you ask me.

4: Largest hand made World in any MMORPG. And it is also seamless and zoneless, no invisible walls blocking your path as in Age of Conan. Your choice of movement is in no way restricted in Darkfall. You dont have to stick to roadtravel and there is no unpassable mountains, just imagine the total freedom.=) You can go to all the places you see in the enviroment. But you might need some heavy skills in the features climbing, swimming, diving (since there is underwater entrances), just to mention a few.

This is one of the main reasons i choose Darkfall and not Age of Conan where you seem to have a unfree enviroment. A lot of eyecandy in the distance you CANT actually reach cause youre blocked in by invisible walls. Youre in no way free and its just no game for me. If i see a snowtop in the distance i actually wanna venture there and have a look, maybe to discover something hidden away. Thats freedom and what makes games fun to me. And that Darkfall world is full of content dont make me want this game any less.=)

5: Crafting. Not that much is explained on crafting but that you can enchant items seems like a fun feature. I actually have to discover the recipes for certain enchantements or do my own research.=)

6: Mounts. Crafters makes the figurines which is kept in backpacks and can be summoned. Figurines is lootable and stealable. Its not just the player that is attackable when riding, the mount can be killed under you first and you have to continue your fight on foot. It could be a nice tactical implementation to warfare.=) Mounts can be abandoned, stolen and even looted. Risk vs rewards all the way and consequences during gameplay. No carebearism in Darkfall which is very good.

7: Gameplay above anything else/ how to avoid lag and exploits. No items allowed on the ground in Darkfall whish is very good as i see it. Items will cause lag in large scaled battles. Corpses will turn into gravestons after a while and on this i actually preferred some sort of bone pile but its no biggie to me. Allowing items on ground can be used as a exploit and cause lag so im fully behind this implementation.

8: A new video. This new video will be one that i and many with me really been looking forward too. A video of Conquest. Gameplay with the newest graphic setting will hopefully show more then any Developer Journal could accomplish. And just imagine the hype such a video will release!?! And it will even further shut the mouths on the vaporware trolls.=) Cant wait!

9: Clan Cities /Villages. 97 clan cities/ villages seems enough to battle for. One example of clan cities is this one called Dayar Rock.

Loved this quote from Tasos on this clan city. [QUOTE] Tasos Flambouras : In addition to its defensive strength, Dayar Rock has a stern, rock-hewn beauty that is worth fighting for. A waterfall tumbles into a dark pool in the center of the main cavern, which is adjoined by a labyrinthine network of tunnels that could serve as a hiding place during times of crisis. [/QUOTE] A labyrinthine network of tunnels, WOOT!!!!

http://df.warcry.com/images/full/45132.jpg

http://df.warcry.com/images/full/45134.jpg

10: Darkfall concept and comparisons.  Darkfall is a completely different game than what were used to. Darkfall is selling full freedom gameplay and is a a full sandbox PvP game. 

[QUOTE] Tasos Flambouras: When we were talking about this concept and about full PvP, about a dark and realistic world, about blood splatter, decapitation etc. a few years ago, everyone else was playing it safe and using terms like "Quakefest" and "dudefest" to describe our concept while simultaneously discounting the PvP community as a whole. Now everyone is jumping on the bandwagon and suddenly it's all good because they found out there's a market there. They've hacked in the PvP but that doesn't even come close to offering freedom, so they have to sell the byproducts of PvP. We never tried to exploit the M rating, and we never felt there was a need to tease our players with promises of ultra violence or sexist sexual innuendo. For us, it's all about the features that come from offering full freedom gameplay with accountability. We've remained true to our original vision to this day. [/QUOTE]

Seems to me Age of Conan got some rightful criticism on them "jumping" the bandwagon after realizing the potentials of the Darkfall concepts. But they seems to be just a shade of what Darkfall will deliver.

11: Only true real-time MMO. Seems Darkfall will demand some real real time skill and reflexes. Its not as in other coming MMORPG:s you set up your intentions before hand and let the computer do the fighting for you, read Age of Conan.

[QUOTE] Tasos Flambouras :

You can't have a true real-time game when you can select your targets, and 'set up' your attacks allowing the system to attack for you. You lose control of your character by default even if you've set up your options. When you enter into an action, the result is already determined no matter what crazy thing happens in between. In Darkfall between the time you swing a sword, launch a spell, an arrow and the time it connects, a million things could happen. You can duck, someone could run in front of you and take the hit, you can put up your shield etc. Nobody knows what's going to happen until it does. It's true real-time, in fact the only true real-time MMO out there. Other games may try to imitate real-time action by giving you the illusion of control through options. There's a world of difference and in the end it affects the gameplay in a big way. [/QUOTE]

And described above will result in -

[QUOTE] Tasos Flambouras :

As a result Darkfall is more action packed than anything out there and this is supported by its features as well as by the lack of gameplay restrictive features: no target selection, aimed attacks, full physics, no radar, no floating names, no floating damage, no fuchsia, or chartreuse colored circles at your feet, no invisibility, 'true stealth', visual and audio cues, full mounted combat, naval combat etc. [/QUOTE]

So if you want a game where youre actual skills, reflexes mathers it seems to me there is only one game that will deliver this, and its Darkfall. If you want crap PvP i suggest you go play Age of Conan.

 

Fanboi becomes hater, hater becomes fanboi! The times they are a changing!

Originally posted by downtoearth

more less an educated guess guess will will find out if im right : )

hey imjust vocing my opionion like the naysayers do see how flusterd you guys get : )

So then you are admitting to trolling?

Originally posted by Timberwolf0

Now First off, let me say that I've been cruising these forums for 11+ months, and I've defended WAR from it's naysayers as heartily as the next person. Still I never expected to see such a rabid defense of EA Mythic as I have seen in this thread. Seriously folks, you can have your own opinion without bowing down to the god of EA. I brought up an issue that legitimately causes me concern, and from a few of the posters I can see I'm not alone. It's not the "fluff" as some have referred to it that worries, but more how this is indicative of a shift in the industry more and more towards the item mall philosophy. When DAoC debuted there was no such bonuses for those with larger wallets. Now more and more I see this philosophy creeping into mainstream NA MMO's. It's a slippery slope. Some of the people who have posted in favor of the CE mentioned they were buying the CE. Now of course these people are going to vehemently deny that this is a significant issue, they obviously have the extra income to offer up to their EA god for advantages which as you can see they want to jealously protect. I'm speaking for those of us who prefer as much of a level playing ground as is possible today with an MMO. Send a message to EA Mythic that this sort of pandering is not acceptable! Don't buy the CE!

Hows that for a message? A message to you, not EA, I will buy whatever I want and enjoy the bonuses of having a real life job where I make money that I can spend any way I want. If you don't want to spend your money the way i do don't, it's that simple. The CE is for people who want it, if you don't don't buy it.

Originally posted by downtoearth

Thinking and knowing are 2 diffrent things i know it will go beta this year. It CAn not hold out on beta anylonger and thats a given

How do you "know"? Are you a dev? Are you the secretary at Adventurine? Or are you just some faceless internet person posting your opinions as fact just like everyone else? You don't know anything for sure, no one does.

Originally posted by miagisan

Originally posted by Burnthebed

 

Originally posted by daarco

I bet you were as amused as i was when you read it : )

And they gave those AoC people some real bashing....priceless.

About graphics: thats just something we say to keep DF haters away from the good features, its much better if they just talk about graphics.

And you could sense how angry Tasos was when he wrote that, that noone is understanding the core gameplay they are after. Many still talk about DF as it would be WoW.

Weren't you guys all just praising Tasos for being "the bigger man" when it came out that AoC dev's were throwing some bashes at DF?

 

Now you are all praising him for "being the lesser person" and bashing back....

He must piss excellence eh? Everything he does is 100% correct.

so true....haters and fanbois alike need serious jolt of reality from time to time

Hhahaha, your name is amazing. Congrats!     

Originally posted by Entreri28

 

Originally posted by Shannia

 

Originally posted by Entreri28

 

Originally posted by Shannia

Good morning to all the DFO fanbois and trolls around the globe.

I just read update #24 and I am left with the feel of "what was the point?"

People here on the farmers have said that graphics don't matter to DFO devs or the players.  Yet, the ONLY thing that we learned is that DFO is undergoing/has gone through another graphics upgrade.  Seriously, who cares about the graphics?  I've been happy with the graphics for two or more years now.  The only thing that matters is GAMEPLAY and the only thing that is going to give them feedback on gameplay is BETA.

Which brings me to my next question.  We had another lengthy discussion from the dev that told us NOTHING except more graphics and not a single word on BETA except they are still working on the current beta build.  Games like this need 6-12 months of external beta testing to be done right, yet they don't bother even mentioning it.

Please, enough with these "updates" that waste an hour of my time reading.  Just bullet point anything actually NEW at the top and let the readers decide if they want to read all the dribble.

Just my 2 cents.

 

Did you read past the first page? 

 

We got some info on mounts.  Some info on AI.  Talked a little about publishers.  Said the world takes around 8 hours to cross.  Mentioned a little about combat including the duck ability(maybe they mean crouch).  He even touches on character developement on the 4th page.  I would say one of the best DF dev journals so far.

As far as graphics go, he said you could have max setting with a geforce 6600, which is "old" now so it should be accessible.

If you arn't interested in DF or think it is vaporware why do you come here?  Is there really nothing more you could be doing?  Discuss games you are interested in/believe are real, go out with friends, play another game.  We "fanbois" like to discuss darkfall, that is why we come.

 

Because, this isn't the DFO forums and here we are allowed to post as we like as long as we don't break NDA or the MMORPG.com rules.  There are two sides to every view.  I respect the fabois and I respect trolls.  What I don't respec is people like you who think those with an anti DFO view should not post here.

 

I didn't say you arn't allowed to post here.  I was just wondering why you do if you don't like DF.  Like I said before, don't you have anything better to do.  BTW on the DFO forums you are still allowed to criticize it all you want.  Even people who criticize DF constructivly are interested in it.  You just want to troll though.

 

I have no problem with people criticizing DF, but just as you stated I do have a problem with anti DF people.  People who try to make the game look as bad as they can just because they don't like it.  Someone who is anti wants the game to fail.  I have no idea why you would want a game to fail.  It is clear that you don't intend to try and add to a discussion you just want to bash DF for no reason, just like this whole thread is for.  Maybe you should keep an open mind and read the entire dev journal instead of the first page.  If you really don't have anything better to do with your life than bash a game maybe you should be asking "what is the point?" of your own life.

You obviously didn't read his post. How is saying "I was happy with the graphics two years ago" hating? You are just as bad as the people you dislike so much because you love the game already regardless of anything and lash out at anyone with a different opinion than yours. How is that any better?

I personally couldn't care less if it releases or not.  If it does, awesome, I will try it. If not, oh well, moving on.

Am I hoping it will fail because I don't buy into the screenshots? Am I a useless troll, or a hater because I don't agree with your rose colored optimism?

Originally posted by daarco

I bet you were as amused as i was when you read it : )

And they gave those AoC people some real bashing....priceless.

About graphics: thats just something we say to keep DF haters away from the good features, its much better if they just talk about graphics.

And you could sense how angry Tasos was when he wrote that, that noone is understanding the core gameplay they are after. Many still talk about DF as it would be WoW.

Now you are all praising him for "being the lesser person" and bashing back....

He must piss excellence eh? Everything he does is 100% correct.

What people mean by "substantial" is that they want to see some updates with SUBSTANCE. I.E. some vids of the UI, or of actual gameplay, or maybe they actually let someone from IGN or another reputable media outlet play the game and give a review of it at it's current state.

Screenshots can be created, and can be mock ups. Vids of fly overs and the such can be created, and can be mock ups. Vids of characters in the world with the UI on screen fighting mobs and other characters, and maybe a vid of characters in the world talking to NPC's getting quests and such could lend some levity to the "darkfall isn't vaporware" arguement.

All I'm saying is this, if Adventurine has a real game, and has a GOOD game then they should be showing the world and making sure people BELIEVE.

Please, don't come here with the BS arguement that they do not want to give their "competitor's" insight into their game mechanics, because frankly that's a lie. Unless somehow a game designer can see a video and magically intuit the coding that went into the game then I'm pretty sure Adventurine is safe. Also, they don't necessarily have competition in the "open PVP" or "Hardcore PVP" arena of gaming. All of the games currently in development are of the "casual PVP" niche so they can show all they want.

I'm not here to say whether or not DF is going to release or not, I'm just trying to explain my view on the "substantial" comments.

Flame away

Originally posted by ermorden

Originally posted by zevian

Its vaporware until they produce something more substaninate than some trash talking and a few screenshots.

 

LOL!  Substaninate!  That's like Substance and Nominate in the same word!  NICE!  You're a 13 year old woman with a penis/vag combo until you produce something more substaninate!  I CAN USE IT IN A SENTENCE TOO!  Ka-BAM!  I DUN GOOD MAW!

Insert coin, try again

Just and FYI to the OP and the fist few replies:

I got my preorder through Amazon and got my beta code, entered it into the site and it accepted it 100%. Closed beta app has no bearing on the code, my beta center now shows Amazone CE preoder under status. So, the op's concerns are valid.