PM me your corp/alliance and i'll PM you what I know back if your unhappy posting here but for the third time unless your going to say who you flew with, not much I can do for you.

You have been participating in the debate and while we disagree you seem quite confused in that you were never called a troll, to the point where they were clearly singled out as people posting nothing more than 'QQ MOAR", nor has anyone been attacked instead of their message, you seem to be clutching at straws for any reason to argue over other than the op.

 Reasoned arguments I cannot refute? what argument have you reasoned, that CCP's GTC system harms RMT, wtf has this got to do with anything? I've stated people legally buy GTC (and that's bad for the game) and that people cash out of the game (not uniquely through GTC). How easy, the method by which its done is irrelevant the point is it happens. You do realise this is the epitome of a straw man argument?

As for 'shouting' that things are happening and your not being told, erm where?

@Finwolven What an ignorant assumption, just because you haven't stated who you flew with dosen't mean for a minute I don't know about you and your dirty laundry, i'm very well informed thanks.

You clearly you don't remember the debate as eves economy never had anything to do with it, it was to do with avoiding the effort others were investing by using a method to circumvent what was a much touted feature of eve, that being the harsh death penalty and how negating that completely removed the ability to impact groups most especially non-space holding entities.

@Ozmodan CCP has proved on multiple occasions the only method of encouraging them to address problems is air in public their failings. Why should I shut up and move on? Because discussion may bring change and change may bring an improvement?

@beaverz Yes thats what you'd like to believe lets take some case examples. TRI, skilled and powerful, assaults CVA, is blobbed out by Goon assistance. SMASHKILL, noobish but with determination, assaults drone regions, is blobbed out by RA subgroups and then gets kicked out its space by Goon's. So sure please feel free to give examples of any new entity taking space and defending it once its owners begin to reclaim it, or any mercenary outfit with a name for itself, hell even MC started to fabricate contracts (vs big blue, note: back to killing noobs when your outblobbed elsewhere again)

Supply chains being attacked by mercenaries lol which eve do you play? can I subscribe to eve sans jump bridges, jump freighters and jump portals? Even CCP has stated that the game has gone to portals to the castle keep.  As for empyrean age yes that worked out really well, two blobs on either side of the tama, nouv gate.

Anyway the trolls are here, clearly recognizable by the fact they can't argue the points debated only sling shit and name call. Along with the fanbois who will here no ill word spoken vs their product of choice. But we'll wait patiently for people to offer reasoned debate and respond as it appears :)

Your wording shows your own bias, there is no rant here merely criticism.

Your very first sentence only reinforces what I mention, you went north and got kicked out. And that's in the north a piece of space no-ones cared about from the GNW to RA's let steal all the prom moons. You couldn't compete, you didn't contend. You don't mention which alliance you were part of so its hard to give a more insightful appraisal of your achievements, i'm guessing TRI? how was that CVA campaign?. But your own description of your attempts is comparable to sticking a pos in reinforced, its easy enough to begin but to stay the course and in the example of this analogy turn up and finish it off is quite a different matter.

In regard to GTC, the limitations of GTC selling are only very recently implemented and needless to say cashing out has many other methods none of which i'm going to give a guide to here as while in a system you can buy into I see no reason you shouldn't cash out, i'd personally rather neither were possible.

The links give examples of the attitude toward buying GTC ingame. IE that it's rampant and noobs not even out of their 14day free trial are already trying to do it. Like I said only CCP could provide actual facts and figures these are merely examples of attitudes.

If you'd like to review the changes of attitudes toward GTC selling use 'GTC seller' as your query in eve-search go back a year and further and see the scorn heaped upon such people then. To have missed it you must be quite a young character ingame as it was always a heated topic of debate.

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Originally posted by FischerBlack I would be very interested to see some kind of proof for the statements Ive colored red from the OP. I know that its possible for those things to happen given the GTC system, but I would like to see some sort of proff that it actually has happened

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I'm not an employee at CCP and I cant give you proof in the form of official numbers from a sales database which is the only thing that could really be called proof, I can direct you to evidence.

Selling GTC used to be social faux pas

Lets look at the first page of MMORPG

However for point two in several cases the players have freely admitted such behavior see here

In regard to the last point i'm too lazy to dig links out for this one and generally by far and large people have the smarts to not post on forums about this. However evesearch on krullz from CDI, hegemon rast from BNC. Theres just a couple openly taunted for there mortgage paying ways.

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Originally posted by etaonnextban
Completly biased and disagree with almost everything you said,first of all I almost stop reading after you said that CCP filters negative press... sorry but that's extremly wrong.

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Oh really?

So how about the removal of SHC as a community fansite after ISD got outed even resulting in a public apology from CCP after it was pointed out they weren't the ones providing the public with the information.

How about you compare eve-search to eve-o over a day and see the moderation of any negative posting.

How about you look into the time CCP ambiguously started threatening law suits because they didn't like there wikipedia page?

Sorry to shatter your bubble however but while i'm jaded and in a mood for shit posting a game going into decline, i've played the game for years and flown with the most elite corps/players in the game and have exploded everything around me since about 3hrs into the game when I moved to low sec. I'd like to give a hint about the type of player writing this post and that's why i've done so but this isn't about me it's about eve. Here are facts, if you disagree please try to refute them with contrary facts or even debate and you'll look less like a fanboi tit making wild speculations.

CCP maintain a state of censoring as much negative press about the game as they possibly can so this article is designed to give you a true appraisal of what eve is actually like. EVE does have a lot of points of merit such as sandbox gameplay, single instance and unique training methods but today we look at some popular topics and you get at least my opinion to weigh against the fanboi "eve can do no wrong" and the 2 week old "he killed my ship this game sux"

PVP:

EVE's pvp has been much heralded and one of the attractions to many of the more hardcore gamers is that the smart will succeed at the expense of the stupid., however things have changed. One of the most critical changes was the extent to which $:isk trading is allowed. Most new players these days take advantage of CCP's official buy your way in game system. Several of the biggest ships in game were bought by people for tens of thousands of dollars rather than actually putting ingame effort into getting them. While you cant (and if you do its envy) blame these people for doing it, you have to ask if thats the kind of game you want to play, would you play pool with someone who can just pay to have balls potted on their turn?

There are essentially two forms of pvp in eve. The first involves finding weaker targets than yourself to kill for ego or financial reasons. The second involves bringing enough friends to outnumber someone of equal strength. The sad result is there is very little skill in pvp. Yes there is ship fitting and yours may be a great a setup but the application is that you can fly a junk ship and still win fights because your either going to attack someone who isn't pvp ready (read has an npc ship aka belt/suicide ganking) or your going to outnumber your enemy so heavily as long as your ship isn't trying to mine while it should be fighting your sides going to win, not to mention that the performance of the game in big fights is so bad that it often boils down to who's lucky enough to not keep jumping across the screen lagged out and actually able to fire there weapons at all.

In eve's current form the only skill in pvp is at alliance leadership level (read knowing when to fight and when to run) so as you can see quite a shallow experience especially for you who will 99.9% not ever be involved in this. This lead eve's smartest and finest to invest heavily in meta gaming (see google) most large active alliances have members who access your out of game communication sources (forums etc) without authorization, you can think of it as hacking but technically its not apparently. even to the extent where ts/vent servers get DNS attacks to stop you playing when your fighting an enemy.

This means your going to be used as a disposable asset to someone else's game. If you join one of the bigger entities in eve you will be fed endless propaganda about how great you are by being a part of this great entity but the truth is your there as long as your helping make the leaders of said organization very rich. EVE is founded on the efforts of the little guy run off with by the leadership as soon as things get tough. Many mortgages were paid for by this game as leaders syphoned of assets and ebayed them.

So why not start your own outfit? Because you will never ever get a foothold. EVE relies on numbers not skill. There are four power blocs in eve. BOB, Goonswarm, red alliance, and the northern nap bloc. All of these groups have been in the game since very early in its inception, they change names/composition occasionally as an alliance closes and some directors take all the assets for themselves and reform under a new name but no new entity has ever formed and become a contender in the game. Goonswarm were a late entry but they were not founded in the game they were an exclusive community that joined the game together. Trying to contend with these entities would require finances you will never achieve. These guys were around when you could jump through gates to magically double your cargo, win isk printing machines (read exclusive crafting rights), set a skill training just before DT and log in to see it completed, farm NPC's that spawned to often. EVE has long since been tightened up but your opposition made insane amounts of progress in game you will never get the chance to as CCP while even aware of the old exploits follow a line of stop it happening again and keep it quiet. Moreover they use this huge headstart to keep you from ever catching up. Skillpoints is not the grind in eve, in game currency is and its protected as much as possible to keep you out.

So some will say well just ignore the big alliance stuff if its really that bad. And here we go back to the first style of pvp. If your not attacking big alliances your left with 'noobs' and 'carebears' to fulfill your gaming experience. A real challenge. Some very skilled pvp'ers have tried to be entities which fight purely for the pleasure of the experience and improving their prowess at it such as a group called outbreak. They eventually hit the block where they could do nothing but turn up to huge laggy fights and compete to see who could actually load there screen to play first. Needless to say they all got bored of it and in any noticeable capacity don't exist any longer.

There's just a few reason why its not all its touted to be and we haven't even looked at such things like having to wait 3 hrs to get a 20m fight, the failure of factional warfare, shooting inanimate objects. But as you can see if things are this bad your probably going to want to spend more time with the PVE content and if that's the case EVE is not the game to play.