Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

I wonder how much all this changes the system requirements?

Actually if you don't have a POS that is Five Years old, you will probably see a performance increase, as the new Architecture will handle load balance much better, however if you are using  a pent III, with a 5200 Geforce card and a rocking 512 mb of RAM  you might have issues.

Originally posted by Netzoko

Why is everyone utterly obsessed with how many subs LOTRO has?

Mostly it's the Wowzor fans.....they are also obsessed with shooting down EQ II numbers, when SOE said that had a smidge over a million active subs at Fanfaire there was this huge orginized campaign to discredit it... (There were also Blizzard Viral marketers in the lobby handing out  Free WoW Trial disk...ethics thy name is Blizzard) yes some folks do have no lives. The fact is LOTRO is doing well enough as is  EQ II as are many other MMO's.  Factis in the U.S. Markets there isn't  that huge of a gulf between any of them, it's only when you factor China in does WoW become the insane sucsess that it is.

Originally posted by Nadia

I doubt WoW will hit 10million unless it opens into another part of the world.

I also doubt any new mmo will hit 1 million

even LOTRO, claiming itself as 2nd biggest mmo probably has under 1 million
www.boston.com/business/technology/articles/2007/09/08/turbine_stakes_its_online_game_turf/

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Turbine said that LOTRO subscribers have created 4 million fantasy characters since the game was introduced in April.Privately held Turbine refuses to reveal the number of actual subscribers, who pay $50 for game software and a monthly subscription fee of around $15.
But since each LOTRO subscription lets the player create up to five characters, the game has attracted at least 800,000 subscribers

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Actually it's well over a million right now, your article  was posted back in Sept  and the game is still the second top selling MMO at EB/gamestop. Also over a million is Everquest 2 with  "just a smidge" over 1.3 million users at the last Fanfaire acording to SOE dev team.  GW has several million players though tey are not subscribers. What I'm saying is a mil plus is not any great shakes now.

Originally posted by aceizhere

yea go play on a hevay pop server count how manys erver there is and firgure how many people ar even on it isnt no 9 mill

ffxi has 30 servers and you used to find 4k people on and i mean people all over the place

i have nveer even once seen WoW have that many on excpet for maybe in the main places

 

ffxi had 1 million active accounts at that time

You know this is an excellent point.  If WoW has that many active subscribers...where are they?  They sure as hell aren't on the NA servers,  I was bored last weekend and didn’t have much to do so I cruised around WoW's servers.  What I found mostly was complete ghost towns.  Even on the mac daddy Argent dawn......it was down right deserted save for the twenty or so level 1 gold spammers shouting  their ads in the middle of Stormwind. I log into  LOTRO the cities are bustling you can see people are playing, same thing with EQ II since the expansion Qyenos has become a major crossroad  and on most servers it's downright crowded.

But the King WoW servers  are eerily lacking in people and that is what is confuses me . This  isn't a WoW bash I play and enjoy the game I just can't for the life of me see how the NA servers even have a million people much less what Blizzard is claiming.

Originally posted by Shohadaku

Don't matter how many subs WOW has. They are split up over tons of servers. EVE has 1 server everyone is on together. There is usually around 30,000 people online at most times. How many people on each WOW server? Correct me if I am wrong but I believe it's closer to 5,000

Also numbers don't change the fact that Wow is just to kiddie cartoony for me. The safe pvp system also does not appeal to me. All the annoying waves of children also does not appeal to me (no offense to you smarter kids out there).

Numbers don't mean it's good. More people bought Michael Jackson albums then Slayer, but I still like Slayer. What I have learned in life is Most people suck.

Gratz Wow on a good buisness model for so many MMO's to copy and release more corperate garbage to make a profit instead of new innovative games. I do hope Bioware does not follow the herd. EVE sure hasn't

Really? You like Slayer?  I'm more of a Hammerfall person myself.....

Originally posted by Wow4Lifer

 

Originally posted by todeswulf

Originally posted by Burntvet

First, I doubt these numbers are true.

Second, if there are, so what. That is not 9.3 mil paying $15/mo or the equivalent.

In China, they literally give the game away, free. Same thing with the last expansion (which is why those POS gold farmers never seem to go away, figues eh?).  The "hourly" price to play is so pathetically cheap (like $.01-.03/hr, that it does not even matter.  And, when you get a new acct there (for free), you get the first months play for free. And nothing is stopping people from doing that over and over.

I know, I was just there. The college kids never pay a dime to play.

This is how they keep sub numbers up and make these extravegant claims of 9.3 mil subs, which I doubt is true, anyway.

 

 

Yep just talked to a friend that returned from Beijing, she said even those that actually pay for the game, pay an insanely cheap price and that most high school and college kids have five or six accounts and China is where 90% of the subscriber base is from , but even so that doesn’t mean anything  the game is popular, but then again millions of people buy Ronco products every year….that dosen’t make the Vegimatic not suck.

Dude. Please read teh posts. Obviously you didn't read more than a couple posts and then posted here an argument that has already been refuted. Comparing wow to products that aren't mmorpgs that sell alot is a big fallacy and only makes you look ignorant.

Okay don't even have to rebutt this one, I'll let the post and the  handle "WoW4lifer "  speak for itself.

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Well to be fair you did start it by calling me a Troll nes pas? I wasn't Trolling, I am just voicing some very disturbing trends that I am seeing. And you’re right I am going to point out that it isn't a democracy. CCP is playing with it's credibility here.... "better than nothing" is going to cause them to lose subs. The EvE community by and large are smarter than your average bears and they can smell bullshit a couple light years away.

Originally posted by Burntvet

First, I doubt these numbers are true.

Second, if there are, so what. That is not 9.3 mil paying $15/mo or the equivalent.

In China, they literally give the game away, free. Same thing with the last expansion (which is why those POS gold farmers never seem to go away, figues eh?).  The "hourly" price to play is so pathetically cheap (like $.01-.03/hr, that it does not even matter.  And, when you get a new acct there (for free), you get the first months play for free. And nothing is stopping people from doing that over and over.

I know, I was just there. The college kids never pay a dime to play.

This is how they keep sub numbers up and make these extravegant claims of 9.3 mil subs, which I doubt is true, anyway.

 

 

Yep just talked to a friend that returned from Beijing, she said even those that actually pay for the game, pay an insanely cheap price and that most high school and college kids have five or six accounts and China is where 90% of the subscriber base is from , but even so that doesn’t mean anything  the game is popular, but then again millions of people buy Ronco products every year….that dosen’t make the Vegimatic not suck.

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You may want to check out what's going on with some of the uber-corp forums before you blather. The smaller corps will basically be throwing their votes away because they will not be able to get behind a single person (Kinda like why Ralph Nader can only act as a spoiler for the dems) meanwhile Bob and the Goons will basically be negotiating what to "suggest” also the Council will also be steering the ethics committee.....and we will basically have, okay you don't squeal on us for these hacks and we won't squeal on you for those hacks.
This whole thing was brought about because CCP doesn’t want to be embarrassed again, having the Star Chamber in your hip pocket is a means to a end nothing more.

Originally posted by Recant

 

 

I suppose stagnating games would seem more "mature" in a certain sense, rather like a mouldy cheese.

 

I wouldn't call it stagnation.   40% growth (EvE numbers since launch Himars own words)  and 33% growth  According to the EQ II devs at the last Fanfaire EQ II is over a million active subs in the U.S. and growing which isn’t that far behind active U.S. subs for WoW, in fact while overall WoW is growing (thanks to China, ) if you really  want to include Asian countries as a measure of overall success Then you'll have to admit Lineage 2 is currently mopping the floor with WoW subs wise.

And when I say mature, I mean you don't see players form these games running around with names like didurmomhard, nor do you read about how they ask if the Virginia Tech victims dropped good loot on their own official forums.  

  I understand that isn’t representative of all WoW players, but Blizzards Doctor Spock philosophy  (IE. Games for leet d00d Asshats by leet d00d Asshats) certainly encourages it. And honestly more doesn’t mean better, (Runequest anyone? ) I have played extensively WoW, EQ II, and LotrO. And I find EQ II and LotRO has much more depth, along with more exciting quest. WoW’s popularity is basically a fluke like the pet rock or Ben Afflack, and in the U.S. market it’s not doing that much better than other MMO’s.

The Goons, BoB and every other uber corp is jockying to get there man or woman as the case may be in this. What we are going to end up with is a bunch of buricratic bullshit  that only serves a corp or two while joe player gets screwed.  I guess Hilmar wanted it to be just like in the real world.

Honestly I'm glad WoW is doing well.  Thanks to WoW games like LOTRO, EQ II and EvE  have a much more mature community.  I hope that WoW is popular for a long long time.

Upper deck is a endles source of cash for me; pick up a few boosters sell them individually for retarded prices on ebay.  The spirit tiger I sold went for 650.00 U.S.  Thank god for fanbois with more cash than brains. 

Originally posted by LouiseK

 

Originally posted by todeswulf

 Yet another reason to be ashamed of the gamer community.  Here we have a game that was made for  9-11 yr olds, and we have the over 40 year old basement dwellers raising  hell about the games PVP and lack of crafting..  The arrogance in thinking that every MMO is made to serve their demographic (I.E. white and nerdy)  is astounding.

A good friend of mine is actually one of the producers on this and they asked my seven year old daughter to help beta test the game,  she is enjoying it because hey they designed it for kids....let me repeat that for the comic book guy sitting in the basement with the pirate hat on..FOR KIDS.  He told me last weekend  that a never ending source of being creeped out  was grown men  writing these passionate emails about  how cannons  didn't have AOF damage and that chat wasn't totally open.  This is why some gamers keep thier hobby a secret. 

I don't get it... everyone has a right to their opinion and ofcourse their opinion is going to be dependant on what they themselves like.

Yes  that dosen't lessen the creep factor nes pas?

Why so defensive?

Might want  to look that one up in the dictonary.

Why so bothered by what the unintended gamers think?

They are not unintended if they are trying to mold Hello kiddie Island adventure into  Shadowbane

Why did you bother at all?

Lard ass males  ( Or socially retarded females for that matter  ) playing childrens games  smacks of hop in the van I have candy.

You making a post like this and implying the gaming community should be ashamed of itself makes you a HYPOCRIT. I hope your daughter takes after her mother an that she stays away from my Mr Depp!

No no the community at large, just those of us that have to suffer through being aligned with this http://youtube.com/watch?v=HmgLOKRl5J0   Keep in mind the producers of the game even finds it creepy.  I'll be sure to add the story about LouiseK chasing the pixilated Johnny  Depp around tortuga  and being concerned that a seven year old might steal him from her  

And just for the record - having avatars with huge boobs and tops that just about cover the nipples is not 9-11 friendly...

Yes because as wel all know slightly large mammory glands will corrupt the kids....I'm not even going to get into the absuritty of that comment.

 Yet another reason to be ashamed of the gamer community.  Here we have a game that was made for  9-11 yr olds, and we have the over 40 year old basement dwellers raising  hell about the games PVP and lack of crafting..  The arrogance in thinking that every MMO is made to serve their demographic (I.E. white and nerdy)  is astounding.

A good friend of mine is actually one of the producers on this and they asked my seven year old daughter to help beta test the game,  she is enjoying it because hey they designed it for kids....let me repeat that for the comic book guy sitting in the basement with the pirate hat on..FOR KIDS.  He told me last weekend  that a never ending source of being creeped out  was grown men  writing these passionate emails about  how cannons  didn't have AOF damage and that chat wasn't totally open.  This is why some gamers keep thier hobby a secret. 

Originally posted by Salvatoris

I think he might get a dishonorable discharge after this one launches....  Who knows, maybe Captain Crunch can come in and do a better job.  ;)

Is anyone, I mean anyone oin the planet actually paying for this steaming pile?