All Posts by UtMoon

Seriously, you guys seem to have some strange issues.

Zorvan, knock it off already. In the last thread, you defended pstruth for posting his opinion. Now you are deriding Talad for posting his? Come on now. Drop the double standard bit and step back to look at what you are doing.

It is pstruth's opinion that there is a problem with the Devs and GMs of PlaneShift. He presents it as truth. It is his opinion that the IRC channel and forums are flamepits full of power hungry mods. He presents it as truth. It is his opinion that the Devs do not listen to player's wishes. He presents it as truth. Time and time again he has openly presented his opinion as the only  truth, even after he has been proven wrong by others who do not share his opinions.

You have torn apart Talad's post because of his opinions. So, Zorvan, where are your posts with itemized quotes deriding pstruth's blatent opinions? Honestly, step back and look at the big picture once in a while. Not everyone against pstruth is, as you so insultingly called us, a fanboi of PlaneShift. What is the word you would use for someone who goes out of their way to put the game in a bad light? Or don't you think those type of people exist?

For your information, pstruth's posts are not always honest or truthful. He likes to leave many things out when proving his opinion, twist information, and put a negative spin on his wording with the intention of goading others.

Interesting avoidance and implication, though not as good as pstruth. Note how I never said it was not a topic to be discussed here, and in fact have contributed to the topic in a productive manner, which I must say you have not. I am not asking if this is the right place to put this topic. I am asking why he decided to place it here when you and I both know he has far better options.

The 'topic' of this thread is asking a simple question. A question that you did not know that answer to, and I very much doubt if you even know who is being talked about. That is how you are clueless.

Your response to my post is completely invalid. No, I am not trying to police. Point out to me where I said to stop the debate. Yes, telling people who do not know what they are talking about -is- a valid form of dismisal when it is the truth.

Honestly, I think Tuxide got a little out of hand in his posts, but dispite what you think, this thread is an attack on PlaneShift and one of our friends. It a manipulation, gosip topic. I would point out exacly how it is, but that part of my post was deleted before for reasons unknown to me. It was designed to get a hot reaction from jose's friends.

If he had wished to start a debate on the age of GMs, then there are far better places to do it. If he had wanted an answer to his question, he has far better options to get it (and he knows it). If he wanted to soil the name of PlaneShift and its Devs, and start a flamefest, this is the PERFECT place to do it. Figure it out, Zorvy. You are being used.

edit: I would still like a flat out honest answer why he decided to post here out of all his options. No avoidance. No slippery answers. Just the truth from ps'truth'. What is your motivation, patruth? Is that too much to ask?

Interesting how you deride others for stating thier opinions about someone else's posts, yet rarely comment on the actual topic of the thread, and actually don't seem to have a clue as to what is going on.

Would I have a problem with a minor having full control of an official game channel (which is not even close tot he case here)? No. As long as was done well. I gave a far greater issue with people in charge who are older, yet act like children, or think that their age makes them superior.

As I said before in the mod edit, you are not a mod, Zorvan, and it is not your job to police the thread. I have attacked no one in this thread, have given honest answers, asked honest questions, and wish to be given an honest reason as to the intention of this thread. I honestly doubt the real reason is to find out the answer to the question, as there are far easier ways to accomplish this. pstruth has claimed several times to know Devs and GMs in the game, so it would have been as simple as asking one of them.

So I ask again, why post this thread on a forum full of strangers who barely even know what PlaneShift is, let alone who a single op in the IRC channel is. We all know pstruth is not a stupid person, and is very good at manipulating people. So ask yourself, what is his game here?

"Perhaps because the #planeshift channel is a big giant flame pit, perhaps because it's run by 14 year olds. ;)" -pstruth

'Perhaps' is a good way of saying nothing and implying much. The channel is not a 'big giant flame pit' as defined by en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flaming (Internet).  Interestingly enough, the deleted section of my post is not defined as flaming either, by this section of the article: "Similarly, a normal, non-flame message may have elements of a flame -- it may be hostile, for example -- but it is not a flame if its author seriously intends to advance the discussion." What I wrote was nothing more than a breakdown of the phasing of the original post, and why people took offence to it. There was no name calling, goading, or insulting aside from giving my opinion at the end that I am sad that you feel the need to be so petty, which was valid by your above statement and the following.

As said many times, it is not run by a 14 year old -now-. Three years ago, it was modded by a 14 year old, along with others who were not. Even by saying this is 'perhaps' the cause is showing that you are bias, judgemental, and yes, petty.

Try to answer the question without using slippery words. I think the honest motivation of the original poster is a more than valid discusion topic for any thread.

Well, that post sums up nicely what was edited out in mine. I am obviouly not the only one who understands tone of words and phrasing.

*shrugs*

To the original question, no on several counts.
Is he in charge? No.

Was he given the position? No. As said, PlaneShift absorbed the channel that had already been created.

His age was answered in another post, so I'll not bother.

He is another op in the channel. Big deal? No. I have never once seem him abuse the commands.
He is young. Big deal? No. I actually thought he was almost as old as I was for the first year, and knowing his age only increased my respect for him.

He was even a GM in the game for a short time. Big deal? No. GMs are testers and mods in the game, and he was more than capable of doing both, as he has a better understanding of code than many others.

Is this common? No. The person you speak of is an extraordinary individual, and would not be in such a position if it were not merited. It is IRC. It is not going to change anyone's life to have a 14 year old as an op. Anyone who has issues with this case simply has issues.

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Really now? My points were more than valid, factual, and not flamy in the least. Just the honest truth. Perhaps I'll post them on the PS forum... where the moding is a bit lighter.

Now, I am going to question why this was posted here, where few actual players visit, instead of simply going into the #planeshift channel and asking the person in question himself. It is not a big secret, and by your own words you have been in the channel many times before. What is your game here?

The PlaneShift server has been shut down for a new update to the client and server. Please do not download client 0.3.02, as it will no longer work once the server comes back up. Stop seeding the 0.3.02 client as well, if you have the torrent.

Many new features, art, areas, and bugfixes will be in this new release.  Stay tuned for more details.

Remember, be sure you only download and install Steel Blue v0.4.00 if using a torrent.

Torrents and direct download mirrors are available on http://www.planeshift.it/download.html
The mirrors still say 0.3.02, but they link to the 0.4 client. Mac client is not ready yet.

You can read a detailed list of changes here:  www.planeshift.it/changelog_0400.html

I agree. The problem is not the gold mining. It is the need for it. What causes the need for it? Most MMO's are 'stuff' oriented. Get gold, buy stuff. Do quests, get stuff. 'Stuff' becomes the heart of the game, and getting all the Best Stuff is the ultimate goal. Really, what else is there in most MMOs? It is the Stuff Ladder. Once you get to the top and have all the Best Stuff, you simply run out of rungs to climb until they release More Stuff and higher level cap. 

The second shoe that drops is that some Stuff is hard to get. You need a lot of money just to get it, and most ways of generating ingame money result from time-consuming grinding. But, Stuff can be bought, sold, or traded ingame and out of game. Some people are willing to trade time and Stuff for real money, and others are more than willing to pay. Any idiot can see just what these two aspects will result in. 

The only solution to curb the gold farming is to make Stuff not mean as much. Make other aspects of the game mean more, such as gaining social rank or continuing causes. Social rank (with NPCs) is impossible to trade without selling an entire character. Continued causes are impossible to trade. Also, cut out a lot of the grind. If a person does not enjoy the getting Stuff and leveling grind, don't force them to do it! Make alternate paths to take where getting Stuff and levels are easy without the need for extra money, but build in sacrifices so that it is equal in worth to the grinding path.

Originally posted by pstruth

Solutions:

Modeling, textures, bugs, streamlining the code:  Time and personel are the only solution.

>Obvious. We are already actively recruting folks to help out. If you watch the bugtracker and svn, you can see the progress that is being made.

Fixing the progression system:  First, the devs must decide that the existing system is flawed.  Only then can progress be made.

>Obvious. The system is known to be flawed. However, it is a complicated chunk of code. When it starts getting imporved, it will be either replaced all at once, or imporved over time.

Fixing communication with NPCs:  The newer quests seem to recognize the problems with NPC communication.  Right now, the settings devs seem to be doing the best they can with the system they have.  Since the dev team is unwilling to move away from a text-parser format, this is probably all that can be done.

>As you said, improvements are already being made. I for one think the text based NPCs improve the quality of the playerbase, and would not change it besades improving the parser and syntax.

Ballancing the economy, mob spawns, magic, levelling, crafting, and so on:  I believe that a fundamental problem is that the devs adjust the difficulty of the game based on the players at the very top.  The problem with this is that players who are new get screwed.  A lot of the problems seem easy to solve, but we're told by the devs that the problems are not easy to solve, and I will not contest that judgement.

 >Some problems will be hard to solve, some easy. Economy is one of the hard things to control in a game. most other MMOs are proof of that.

The guy asked for a list of negatives about the game.  Maybe they'll be solved years from now, but for now they're with us.

>I did not contest your list. I did not even read it. I know what the negitives are. I listed my own and the reasons for them. I had issue with you calling them excuses. I know you must be smart enough to realize that was a trolling remark I would respond to.

I agree that higher quality features aimed at higher quaity players would be a boon. Having an inside look at the process, I know how hard it is to actually make these things. Making an MMO is not easy in the least.

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There is a difference between 'reasons' and 'excuses'. Now, do you have a reason or an excuse for not joining the PlaneShift team to make the game better? You do have all the solutions to the problems, I assume.

Welcome. Agreed, PS is nowhere near a commercial standard, and I am actually glad because of it. For the most part, I don't like 'commercial' MMO games. They are built based on the lowest common denominator. They are designed to draw in the maximum amount of traffic without any heed given to the quality of that traffic. In other words, the playerbase is low quality in action and attitude. Perhaps PS does deserve a medal just for avoiding that.

In that, the first poster read some info wrong. PlaneShift aspires to reach a commercial standard. I am actually not looking forward to the day when the game draws in a flood of players. The bad always come with the good.

Zorvan, you have good points... somewhere. I am sure you had at least one point. I'll get out my magic code ring to find it later. I recommend you take off your Negitiveman cape and tights for once, and at least try to post something more positive or constuctive. He was stating his respect for the effort being put into the game, even if he had one fact a bit wrong. The effort being put into PS is monumental to the folks who are doing it. I can personally vouch for the many nights the Devs, WTBs, and prospects have spent working on the game with little or no sleep. Then they would have to go to work. Rinse and repeat. Do they deserve medals? Perhaps not. But they damn well deserve more than a sarcastic ass making snide remarks about someone who actually appreciates them. And some people wonder why PS Devs come off as negative once in a while.

No, PS is not like saving lives. It is more like getting up at the crack of dawn without pay to clean up the local park before the kids get there.

No, PS is not as easy to use as Linux is NOW. Go back a few years when the code for Linux was three years old or less. I am sure it was a veritable cakewalk back then, and was used by millions of devoted followers. Seriously, think your 'points' through. I won't have to write as much to correct you.

In addition, stop thinking you are clever. In all your posts I have seen on PS, you have contributed nothing to the actual subject of PS. All your posts were about other people and how you did not like how they posted. Lovely. Give yourself a gold star for skating around actually talking about the game. And I have to give you a humble, mocking bow for your incredibly clever italic use of ass twice in assumption. Brilliantly childish.

Finally, I DO take issue with you laughing about the commercial standard remark. I found his comment to be amusing and smiled about it. You belittled and insulted the poster, not even bothering to point out NICELY that that information was inaccurate. Pstruth's post was actually more helpful. What you did was condescending, which you continued in your response to Tuxide. In the end, it would be better to be a blind fanboi than a pompous windbag such as yourself.

I would like to give a nod to pstruth here as well. You did well in your first post, but in your second, you just supported someone who is acting a hell of a lot like what you keep accusing the PS Devs of. Pick a side of the fence. Supporting a double standard is not benifical to your cause.

The game is a tech demo, some calling it a pre-alpha, so there are a great many features not finished, bugged, or missing. Since it is made by people in their free time, advancements are rather slow compared to many other games. The game is basic, but the end goal is grand.

If you are looking for a polished game with full features, PlaneShift can not live up to that yet. Many people stay just to see it develope. Others play because of the unique community. All depends on what floats your boat. Try it out. You loss nothing but a bit of time if it is not your cup of tea.

No, there are no syntax requirements besides the ability to type -whole- words in English. Net speak (plz, r, u, cuz, lol, etc) are not very welcome.

Roleplaying is not even required, though you can get warnings from GMs for talking about 'real life' things like your day at school or how much you hate basketball in open chat while others are trying to roleplay. It is much like the guy who talks on his cellphone right behind you while you are trying to enjoy a movie. So as long as you respect others wishes, there is no problem.

As to the 'five years', that is not quite correct. The current engine being used was switched over to in 2004, and the entire game had to be rebuilt. Also worth mentioning is the fact that this game is being built by a small team of non-paid volunteers in their spare time. Much of the time there are only a few coders working a few hours a day on it, not a huge team being paid to work 10 hours a day.

Sorry. This is the wrong forum for a thread about pure PvP games.

E = email

Well put. PvP for the sake of PvP is a self-serving attempt at personal enjoyment. Nothing wrong with that if you like that type of thing. I don't go into single player games to RP. If I play Zelda, it is to kick some ass. If I play RTS like Warcraft, I play it to dominate the enemy. Those are also self-serving motivations. 

When I play a multiplayer RPG, I find it more enjoyable to interact and create an entertaining environment for myself and others. Sometimes that means being the 'good' guy, and helping folks out. Sometimes it means being the ruthless killer everyone has to come together to stop (AKA, PvP for those without the imagination to understand that as roleplaying). 

Despite what some folks of low intelligence and imagination may think, roleplaying is real. There are real people sitting behind real keyboards creating real stories with their characters. Let me define 'real' to the moron I am sure will pick that statement out. They are real in the same way Huckleberry Finn is a real story. They are real in the same way Spiderman comics are real. They are real because they exist in your imagination as you read them. They become memories. And memories, my friends, are all that really matters in the end. 

PvP is a useless talent in 'real life'. Where will it get you? Put how many foes you killed on your next McDonalds application and see how many brownie points it gets you. On the other hand, you could take the writing skills you have gained developing your character in roleplaying and interacting with actual intelligent people, and use it in writing a convincing portfolio essay about yourself. 

In real life, roleplaying pAWnz PvP. So who is the gimp now? Oh, and no catsup on my burger, fryboy.

Come back to PlaneShift in a year or so. Many changes are coming. Since the game is done by people as a hobby in their spair time, we can not expect top of the line graphics as quick as pay games with droves of paid artists and coders. If you or anyone you know think they can offer improvements, feel free to come on board.

Silly man... 'roleplaying' does not always mean playing the nice guy. If you are in a 'RPG' and you do not roleplay at all, you are not in a MMORPG. You have no role. You are just playing. It is a sad state of affairs that twists the meaning of MMORPG to completely cut out any RP at all. the only reason PvPers and Levelers have the advantage is because they waste more time getting their 'toons' more powerful. Any idiot can grind. It takes intelligence to roleplay. 

Look here.

www.planeshift.it/

It has you covered for a game in development. However, there is no wish to stop.

Made by roleplayers for roleplayers.