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Originally posted by sanosukex

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Originally posted by popinjay
 

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Originally posted by sanosukex

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Originally posted by popinjay
 

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Originally posted by sanosukex

as shadow im pretty sure i could just spam double strike and saber strike and do fine.. would be boring as hell though.. but the regular mobs you face through the story chain aren't a challenge in anyway.. but thats nothing new normal mobs are never a challange in any MMO

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No you can't. Not past level 30 you are doing that.
 
 

Could you finally be honest with people here and reveal how high you played? It's pretty clear you never made it past 30, but you are pretending very hard to give that impression or even that you've gone through the higher Flashes using only two skills.
 
 

It's really not so.

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who said anything about going through flashpoints with two skills? thought the discussion was you could level to 50 using only two skills also where in any of my posts did i say I have a character past 30?

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Flashpoints are a big part of this game. This is why you cannot discount it. It's just dumb to say you can play ANY mmo with just two skills, lol.
 
 

You sound foolish saying that. Read what you wrote and ask if anyone in their right mind can say they play ANY mmo with two SKILLS.
 
 

Now you can play a game (like Rift) with just two or three BUTTONS macroed. That's a totally different thing and what I'm saying.
 
 
Pre-loading every single skill you have in a certain order macro so that you just have to push ONE button and no matter what the situation is, you win is NO SKILL.
 
 
 

Period. You cannot do this in ToR because there are NO MACROS. People have to use more skills than two.

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yea but i thought the question was could you level to 50 using two skills and the answer is yes you can..

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No this wasn't the question.

And no, it's still not even possible to do.

Sorry.

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Originally posted by sanosukex

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Originally posted by popinjay
 

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Originally posted by sanosukex

as shadow im pretty sure i could just spam double strike and saber strike and do fine.. would be boring as hell though.. but the regular mobs you face through the story chain aren't a challenge in anyway.. but thats nothing new normal mobs are never a challange in any MMO

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No you can't. Not past level 30 you are doing that.
 
 

Could you finally be honest with people here and reveal how high you played? It's pretty clear you never made it past 30, but you are pretending very hard to give that impression or even that you've gone through the higher Flashes using only two skills.
 
 

It's really not so.

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who said anything about going through flashpoints with two skills? thought the discussion was you could level to 50 using only two skills also where in any of my posts did i say I have a character past 30?

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You sound foolish saying that. Read what you wrote and ask if anyone in their right mind can say they play ANY mmo with two SKILLS.

Now you can play a game (like Rift) with just two or three BUTTONS macroed. That's a totally different thing and what I'm saying.

Pre-loading every single skill you have in a certain order macro so that you just have to push ONE button and no matter what the situation is, you win is NO SKILL.

Period. You cannot do this in ToR because there are NO MACROS. People have to use more skills than two.

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Originally posted by sanosukex

as shadow im pretty sure i could just spam double strike and saber strike and do fine.. would be boring as hell though.. but the regular mobs you face through the story chain aren't a challenge in anyway.. but thats nothing new normal mobs are never a challange in any MMO

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Could you finally be honest with people here and reveal how high you played? It's pretty clear you never made it past 30, but you are pretending very hard to give that impression or even that you've gone through the higher Flashes using only two skills.

It's really not so.

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Originally posted by DemonAcolyte
@popinjay lol damn if u think TOR requires skil wow u need to experience more mmo man...try C9 or even vindictus once in a while then ull know what requires skill and what doesnt

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Really, all you need to do to play Vindictus honestly is:

Use your "Whirlwind" skill, no matter which class you used. As long as you were spinning in a circle, you hit mobs and they died. Then run a few feet and hit Whirlwind again.. same thing.

It was this way in Dragon Nest too, which was also a very fun game but really not skill wise.. just AoE everything.

Playing mmos you should know how and when to CROWD CONTROL. That takes skill. It also takes more skill to do that when you don't use Vent to tell someone "Hey CC the mob over behind the pillar" which I don't use right now playing ToR.

When someone breaks mez in ToR, people die or you have to work twice as hard on every job. It's really not as easy as you think because you guys are all LOW LEVEL beta guys who stopped.

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Originally posted by lizardbones

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Originally posted by popinjay

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Originally posted by darwa

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Originally posted by popinjay
 

If they are only two, you should be able to name them in your sleep.

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1 and 2.
Merry Xmas :)

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What class did you play?

What spec did you play it in?

What two SKILLS did you claim you've used to get to 50?

Merry Xmas ^^

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If you skipped heroic quests and areas you could probably get through the game on two skills.

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You realize how crazy that sounds? Here:

"I can play EvE with just two skills. I know this because I had several maxed ships in their beta."

That's about how it sounds when you guys say this without listing any info.

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Originally posted by darwa

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Originally posted by popinjay
 
This game is pretty fantastic and has TONS of content, more than any game that's been released recently.
 

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Apart from RIFT.
***EDIT***
Knowing pop, I'll add that SWtOR kept me in content for 2 months, SWtOR managed a mere 3 weeks.
No, this doesn't mean that I play excessively; this means that I need more of a challenge.

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World Event One: Purple mobs.

World Event Two: Green mobs.

World Event Three: Brown mobs.

World Event Four: Yellow mobs.

........content. It's a retread. It's all the same. Dungeons that they made Day 1 have a wing added three months later and that's called "new content". The things like Instant Adventures are boring and zergy, the Chronicles is a solo dungeon you do maybe five times then are bored and only go back to get a mount to drop.

Collecting artifacts for a white turtle isn't really content if you want to PLAY. Collecting titles so that you can change your name everyday isn't fun.

If Rift is fun for you, cool. But the "content" that they add is boring, easy and if you just read the officials, people are snoring on it now and about to revolt.

If you look at their forums now, Rift is just one big locked thread.

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Ten months later, Trion's database is hacked under Trion's nose and customers have credit card info stolen. Trion claims "You should have continued, uninterrupted access to RIFT, and we do not anticipate any disruptions to your playing time" as the pro. Lulz. Strike Two.

Funny thing because when I quit, I thought I put Trion Worlds on the "no contact" list but meh.

Trion for the future... when someone is having to cancel their credit card a few days before the biggest shopping day of the year, giving them three days to play a game and a "Moneybags" pixel item is hardly a make-up for your lax in security since Day 1.

I hate to say it, but I agree with the OP.

This game is pretty fantastic and has TONS of content, more than any game that's been released recently.

The problem is.. it's ALL fun for the most part and you want to do more. When you get into a city like Nar Shadda and you start doing the quests in there following the storylines (not the class story) it's pretty engaging.

The good news is you can still do them anyways for the 'story' part (which I do because the story is great) but the bad news is I'm usually five levels higher than anything they have me do because I also keep my PvP queue active and I've done the ship missions as well.

When you do all of that, you tend to outlevel a zone pretty quick. But I think Bioware is leery of games like AION that had tremendous times to reach 50 by grinding and didn't want people complaining because so many poor mmos (like Rift) spoonfeed people to endgame and then throw them in dungeons/raids with nothing else much to do at 50 so they quit.

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Originally posted by darwa

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Originally posted by popinjay
 

If they are only two, you should be able to name them in your sleep.

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1 and 2.
Merry Xmas :)

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What spec did you play it in?

What two SKILLS did you claim you've used to get to 50?

Merry Xmas ^^

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Originally posted by darwa

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Originally posted by popinjay
 

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Originally posted by darwa

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Originally posted by popinjay
 
So please, for the sake of ToR... keep your addons there, keep your three button raiding play there, keep your daily hotfixes and "Hi All, we are briefly bringing down the servers for 30 minutes" every other day there.
 
 

Do not bring that to ToR. We like logging in and playing EVERY day.

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Are you serious?
I guess you haven't played the 2 button combat of SWtOR yet :/

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Explain.
 
 
I'm level 36 and I have NO idea what you are talking about.

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Simple. I hit 50 a few times in beta on each class on at least one side of the mirror. 
There are plenty of skills available, but I always found myself coming down to the odd one or two.
Maybe the game changed loads after I gave up on it :/

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If it makes you feel better you can say "50 beta" all day long, lol. That really doesn't have any impact on what I said I haven't seen which is.. there isn't any two button skills you can coast on.

But seeing as how you claim this is so, and you ONLY used two buttons mainly.. please illuminate... what TWO skills were you able to complete the game with? What class? What spec?

If they are only two, you should be able to name them in your sleep.

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Originally posted by onthestick

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Originally posted by sanosukex

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so basically you are saying it is now way easier to obtain that purple gear thats supposed to be hard to obtain.. I'm not saying grinding raids out for gear was great fun all the time but at least it made getting that drop of gear an acomplishment when everyone can just easily craft purple gear then it looses is sense of being something special.. also for the pvp gear rift did the same thing there...

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For crafter it is going to be an accomplishment to get the schematic they are looking for and i bet you will have to pay out of your nose for those gear peices.

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This is going to be the first mmo in a long while that I remember that crafting will be easy to learn, but difficult to master.

Seeing as how someone can't just take all the crafting jobs, no one will monopolize the market which means an economy dependant on ALL parts, not just one part.

Like right now, slicing is big. But later, Treasuring Hunting will be bigger (imo) because the only way crafters will be doing the highest level proccing is to have their companions Affection maxed. And that means lots of trophies, luxury items, and such because each companion like different things.

This game will do well simply because ToR figured something about that Trion as a new company doesn't know.. your ECONOMY is what makes a game run and what can ruin it. Not have many fancy builds you can add.

This is why most AH in Rift have been dead since Day 1 only selling a few items here or there. You know you have a problem with the main thing people were selling/buying off the AH was... shinies so they could get a white turtle.

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Originally posted by darwa

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Originally posted by popinjay
 
So please, for the sake of ToR... keep your addons there, keep your three button raiding play there, keep your daily hotfixes and "Hi All, we are briefly bringing down the servers for 30 minutes" every other day there.
 
 

Do not bring that to ToR. We like logging in and playing EVERY day.

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Are you serious?
I guess you haven't played the 2 button combat of SWtOR yet :/

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I'm level 36 and I have NO idea what you are talking about.

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Originally posted by Puremallace

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Originally posted by popinjay


I hope you didn't use your credit card to sign up for your Trion account. AMIRITE?

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http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=79596
 
You want me as a Rift player to go deal with this shit seriously? People telling me to roll alts to 50...fully gear those alts...then only use them when I need to heal.
 
wtf is this 2008? You have to be one dense dev to remotely think not having dual spec was a good idea. First thing Rift players will ask for in TOR is crap YOU GUYS HATE. I am not sure what this push is to get Rift players to play a game that is missing features Rift player loved and you guys hate.
 
Give me addons...give me macros...give me a dps log so I min/max my rotation...screw dual spec I want atleast 5 specs...where are my daily hotfixes to fix issues? Content better be every 43 days or I will rage.

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The LAST thing I would want is for someone who was "AION IS THE BEST GAME EVER!" for two years then "RIFT IS THE BEST GAME EVER!" for 10 months to go "TOR IS THE BEST GAME EVER!".

That would surely be the Kiss of Death for ToR if I read Puremallace starts liking it, because so far from everything I've read.. every game you've been head over heels and forum preaching about the last three years has slipped, slided and fell away.

Unfortunately based on riftstatus.net, you've kissed Rift to death already.

So please, for the sake of ToR... keep your addons there, keep your three button raiding play there, keep your daily hotfixes and "Hi All, we are briefly bringing down the servers for 30 minutes" every other day there.

Do not bring that to ToR. We like logging in and playing EVERY day.

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Originally posted by Hrica
you won't get your personal infomaton hacked into?

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At launch, Trion had so many attacks on their system and people stealing accounts that that had to invent "Coin Lock".

Now I guess they'll have to invent "Credit Card Lock" for all the people saying the Russians got their stuff, lulz.

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Originally posted by Puremallace

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Originally posted by popinjay

In most other games, crafting was a 'niche' because the best gear dropped from dungeons but you had to do other dungeons to get there. In ToR, you don't have to do that. You make purples or go Pvp and then you have enough right away to start raiding.

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Not to point out the irony but you just told a vetern Rift player he can do something in TOR he can already do in Rift. Not all or any patterns drops in raids. It actually upsets the hardcores lol

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Seriously... and you talk about the irony?

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Originally posted by sanosukex

so basically you are saying it is now way easier to obtain that purple gear thats supposed to be hard to obtain.. I'm not saying grinding raids out for gear was great fun all the time but at least it made getting that drop of gear an acomplishment when everyone can just easily craft purple gear then it looses is sense of being something special.. also for the pvp gear rift did the same thing there...

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That's the old mmo way of doing it that makes people tire of grinds. There isn't any reason why very good gear can't be earned or CRAFTED that is almost comparable to top end gear to some degree. Do you realize how many people complained about that in Rift and left?

Second, purple isn't the highest level. Red is. How much did you play ToR.. actually? So much of what you say you don't seem to understand about.

There is white gear.

There is green gear.

There is green gear that can be Reversed and then you can add an Augment to it.

There is blue gear (prototype).

There is blue gear you can improve upon.

There is purple gear. There is also recipes that drop from dungeons and come from doing things like Treasure Hunting as skills that you can get.

Then you have your red gear from Flashpoints and such. I'm sorry but this crafting system is vastly superior to anything in Rift.

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Originally posted by sanosukex

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Originally posted by teakbois

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Originally posted by popinjay

 
 
 

In ToR, you don't go out and look for recipes unless you WANT to. You get a base item such as a gun. Then you make the gun and by Reverse Enginnering, you get a better version of that green gun. Then you make that one, Reverse it and you get a BLUE version of that gun. Make that gun and Reverse it and you get a PURPLE gun, which is more than comparabile to any Flashpoint gun.
 
 

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Armor goes even furthur.
 
For a green item you can proc a dps blue, a healing blue and a tanking blue.  Each of those blues can proc a purple.  And then each of those three purples?  Can proc 5 different, even furthur specialized, options.  So each green can ultimately be one of 15 purples.

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or i could just go do some flashpoints and get comparable gear and not spend so much time crafting.. crafting has its niche for people and i used to enjoy it but honestly when you can get the same or similar stuff through raids I never found a really point in crafting equipment

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You don't have to gather ONE single mat.

You don't have to make one single piece of gear, weapon or even a heath pot. Why are you not understanding this basic point?

You go level up, and you eventually get four companions. You can take one companion WITH you to fight and do Flashes for fun, and tell the other three to go on missions to get the stuff and then (more importantly) MAKE the stuff. It's your choice.

If someone is a crafter and wants to kill mobs for mats (I do Armstech/Scav so I like to kill and harvest robots) they can do that. Or I could simply tell my companion "Go get me some mats".

In most other games, crafting was a 'niche' because the best gear dropped from dungeons but you had to do other dungeons to get there. In ToR, you don't have to do that. You make purples or go Pvp and then you have enough right away to start raiding.

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Originally posted by teakbois

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Originally posted by popinjay
 
 
 

In ToR, you don't go out and look for recipes unless you WANT to. You get a base item such as a gun. Then you make the gun and by Reverse Enginnering, you get a better version of that green gun. Then you make that one, Reverse it and you get a BLUE version of that gun. Make that gun and Reverse it and you get a PURPLE gun, which is more than comparabile to any Flashpoint gun.
 
 

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Armor goes even furthur.
 
For a green item you can proc a dps blue, a healing blue and a tanking blue.  Each of those blues can proc a purple.  And then each of those three purples?  Can proc 5 different, even furthur specialized, options.  So each green can ultimately be one of 15 purples.

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Someone really needs to sit a few people down and explain it better than I can because outside of Vanguard, I haven't had as much fun crafting without actually having to have my character there in any other mmo in history.

I mean, you can buy a base recipe for a measly few credits from the vendor, take that ONE recipe.. and never have to buy any "rare" recipe or get made someone ninja'ed the recipe you've ran Dungeon X 50x for hoping it would fall.

I can remember grinding for days (not hours) in Rift in Theo just hoping to get some gear drops or camping bosses in the hopes that it MIGHT drop something I could equip so I could start doing some Dark Poeta runs.

In ToR, you don't need to do that grind. You can make your own gear or buy off the AH right away or get through questing. You can even get gear to do Flashpoints simply from Pvping which is a twist from other games.

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Originally posted by Purutzil
Well getting over the voice acting the story is good. Outside the story, nothing really. Um... it has light sabers?

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Depends on your choice. I use BFGs.

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Originally posted by sanosukex

- with the veteran rewards you can just summon a personal vedor and sell all your greys anywhere you want

- crafting is nothing but a time sink in both games honestly.. im sitting right now racking up the credits from slicing by doing nothing but sitting here sending out my companion while I type this

- fact is endgame pvp is going to be the same

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Um.. no. With Veteran Rewards you can summon a Vendor ONCE AN HOUR (or is it two?) and sell whatever you want. In ToR, I can kill a mob, get a grey and tell my companion to go sell it and in 60 seconds, he/she/it comes back with my money.

If I then kill another mob when it got back, I could turn around and send the companion off again and 60 seconds later, the companion comes back with my loot.

Much better than having to wait for some hour cooldown. Plus, I could also send that same companion to go do something else and call in a completely different companion to take it's place.

Sorry but the companion system is not only vastly different than Rift, it's much better.

Also, for you to claim crafing is a 'time sink' in ToR now makes me wonder if you got past level 20 or sat there and only crafted the base items or couldn't figure out how to proc your rares.

In ToR, you don't go out and look for recipes unless you WANT to. You get a base item such as a gun. Then you make the gun and by Reverse Enginnering, you get a better version of that green gun. Then you make that one, Reverse it and you get a BLUE version of that gun. Make that gun and Reverse it and you get a PURPLE gun, which is more than comparabile to any Flashpoint gun.

It's not a time sink, lol. It's a way for someone who wants to PvP all day to get Flash level gear and goods while Pvping. I know people who only level through PvP and crafting and they have better weapons/gear (all purple) than the people they are Pvping against or those who just quest all the time.

You don't know how endgame PvP will be. No one does. The planet is there.. ready and waiting. It's all depends on how the people take advantage of it. This is vastly different from Rift where even if the population WANTED to PvP (which they don't), they don't even have a place for them to do it in, lol. That's bad. Really BAD.