Did not read the 9 pages of thread; But in addition to those OP mentioned. There are more than a few notable TES characters in the lore who outlive the mentioned life expentancies without involvement of magicka. In addition to this, Thu'um has been part of the Nords culture, and surely it hasn't been forgotten during the 2E. No way its "memory of past." Tongues, those who know how to THOOM have existed throughout the recorded timeline, the thing is that the most skilled of them are typically converted into Way of the Voice and agree to its terms, and most of them go into selcusion at the throat of the world.

However, not every tongue (a character who knows THOOM) lives at the Monastery, so claiming that Thu'um is a forgotten piece of Nord culture is absurd excuse not to allow Nords to THOOM in game.

Originally posted by NaMeNaMe

Originally posted by Dauzqul
Too bad PvP isn't more than your typical redundant battleground...

 

Haha someone doesn't know anything about PVP yet speaws nonsense. 

 

There are 3 types of pvp, 4 if you want to stretch it.

 

Structured PVP, Warplots, Open World PVP and Battlegrounds. 

And out of these 4, players will play whichever is the most rewarding one; And typically it has been the small instanced PvP areas.

Originally posted by Total_Hunt

Anyone considered that the average TES player won't enjoy being ganked and teabagged all the time by you 'l33t' MMO PvPers while they're trying to explore.

 

This isn't Darkfall

And did you consider that the average TES player may not be neither a carebear who questions the basic legitemacy of PvP and does not enjoy challenges such as being ambushed by another player at a dire situtation?

This isn't Hello Kitty Online.

Originally posted by superconducting

Open world PVP sounds good on paper but in practice is a bad idea. There are a whole host of problems associated with it:

- PVP would be way too scattered and less focused. Small groups or individual players would be haphazardly fighting rather than having larger-scale battles between armies.

- People would not easily know where to go to join up with their groups.

- PVE content (which is most of the game) would not be safe to do. You could never feel safe questing.

- It would be a lore-breaker (at least initially before 50+) if factions are not restricted to the races the comprise them.

 

I remember when runescape decided to open up the whole world to PVP, instead of just limiting it to the wilderness. The amount of backlash they received was mind-numbing. PvP was ruined so much that they eventually they restored the wilderness to the way it was before.

All points but the 3rd one are incorrect. Third one however, can only be a problem to those who cannot grasp the concept of virtual pixel death and over react to it.

The only thing I am wondering is that why majority of subscription based games are always the 13 euros or 15 dollars / month. Never less. I wonder if some business guy has calculated that this is the most efficient sub fee, and people stick to that. I would never even consider "should I sub or not" if a game was lets say, 5-7 euros a month. But for 13 euros, I can get a lot of stuff, as tiny sum as it is, people still start weighing their options what they could do monthly for that sum of money. 5-7 euros on the other hand doesn't get you a month of gym membership, but one cigarrette package or a six-pack of beer. Hardly equilavent to a month of activity.

Originally posted by Mouls

 

There is no 'risk vs reward' neither 'Territorial Control Warfare' so there is nothing to justify OWPVP in TESO,implementing it would be idiocy thats because there is only RvR.

No risk vs reward in Territorial control warfare, especially siege warfare? A second ago you just mentioned Shadowbane, you should know. The most meaningful moment you can have in an MMORPG is the moment when your city is under attack, and that same city you have spent too many months working on with your guild. You have defended it for the past year few times per month. You're confident, nothing new, been there done this. And you lost, you lost the fucking city you had dedicated so many hours upon, the same city you had woken up to defend at 4 a.m is now gone. Enemy banners now decorate its walls.

Shit, that isn't risk? Or reward for the attackers (sieging wasn't cheap)?

"No - I will wait until it goes F2P - 30.8%"

As if.

Originally posted by Nanfoodle

Originally posted by Neherun

Originally posted by ShakyMo
Well hardcore raiders are like 3% of mmo players or something.

It's your semi casual mixed pve / pvpers that you want to aim a big budget mmo at.

Of course you can have specialist mmos for niche audiences like eve too.

That's the best part of all this. Eve is a fucking space MMO, but it is the only properly made sandbox of new millenia to this date, and thus it remains sucessful (You cannot call 500k subs and such long duration of existence a niche). The market segment (space mmo) is indeed niché, but come on EVE is doing better than every four out of five MMOs out there. Personally, I will never touch it. Space is something I don't care about, and I am sure I ain't the only one.

 

Now, imagine finally properly made fantasy sandbox, (Last time I laid my hands on one was UO).

 

Even better, screw TESO, let Interplay continue their survival based sandbox Fallout MMO.

 

Try EQ next or Archeage. 2 Sandbox MMOs coming out that look awesome.

I will try EQ next, but before to that, I'll be rolling TESO (unless for some unknown reason it turns out to be a massive flop, which I don't want to see). But to me Archeage isn't exactly a sandbox, not since they started restricting all the doable things in the game. Also the game removed player looting, so there's only risk in being criminal, how will that work out? Besides the pointless criminal system; The PvP will be limited to one contient as well.

Not to mention the awful graphics, oh I just couldn't handle the art style.

As for EQ Next, I am extremely reserved. I can handle PvP being restricted in a non-sand box MMO. But restricting PvP by any other means that safe zones (See EVE or Shadowbane which wasn't exactly a sandbox) will be the death of me.

Sandbox games usually go for millions of features, out of which half of them are not to be considered fun. The game's level of entertainement is usually supbar to other MMORPG's, just because the developers focused on having shit ton of things to do, but never did they take a step back to ask themselves if the features and stuff to do were actually fun.

Originally posted by daltanious

Originally posted by Imperator101

I wish they made this game with the same game engine used in Skyrim along with improved graphics, the gameplay would be a lot better. 

All PVP is being restricted to Cyrodiil, this is why I don't wanna buy this game. I enjoy an MMO that has world pvp all over the world, not restricted to one region within the world. I enjoy pvp in a variety of envionrments, Tamriel is all grasslands/forests along with some snowey areas near Bruma. I hate a MMO which gives me restrictions on where I can do PVP. 

So they are still sticking with this stupid concept? All PVP limited to Cyrodiil? 

Because for YOU game sticks to stupid concept, all share your view?

^This.

Personally, I am an FFA Open world PvP fan. I would have loved this game to be a Shadowbane, with player's own guilds, sieges and player politics. The developer's decided to take the DAoC route, and I stated "Fine." DAoC was kind of fun as well. I'm still getting a rather large chunk of playable PvP area, the area isn't void for just PvP, it includes questing, crafting nodes, and all that.

Those who think this game's success will be limited because of 3way faction PvP or because of "SWTOR" need to think again. 

Originally posted by colddog04
As of 133 votes, the Ebonheart Pact has ~67% more people than the Aldmeri Dominion.

Pre-game polls have never accurately described the end result.

Let's take the most recent, Planetside 2. Which was supposed to (according to average of polls) be 45% TR, 35% NC, 20% Vanu. The game's actual averages are around 33/33/33.

Originally posted by Nanfoodle

Originally posted by Miblet

Originally posted by Nanfoodle

Originally posted by baphamet

 

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Originally posted by ShakyMo
Never reset it at all would be the best.

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i somewhat agree but that's not gonna happen as they have already confirmed campaigns will have an end.

 

Where did you read that? 

'Campaigns can last for a month or longer, giving everyone a chance to pitch in for the war effort.'

....Conflict in Cyrodiil, Part 1 (official site).

Lets hope they dont use GW2 system where you change how you are fighting. I like my war to be static and get to know the other side. Their guilds and tatics so you can play a smart war.

Direct developer's quote was that campaigns may have reset times, and if they do the reset time will be somewhere between 6-12 months. Which I personally don't like, but at least the duration will be huge.

Pre-CHIM'd southern Cyrodil, to see whether developer's decided to follow their "*Cough it was a transciption error that Cyrodil was a jungle*" or admit that they screwed up and actually made it a jungle.

Originally posted by ShakyMo
Well hardcore raiders are like 3% of mmo players or something.

It's your semi casual mixed pve / pvpers that you want to aim a big budget mmo at.

Of course you can have specialist mmos for niche audiences like eve too.

That's the best part of all this. Eve is a fucking space MMO, but it is the only properly made sandbox of new millenia to this date, and thus it remains sucessful (You cannot call 500k subs and such long duration of existence a niche). The market segment (space mmo) is indeed niché, but come on EVE is doing better than every four out of five MMOs out there. Personally, I will never touch it. Space is something I don't care about, and I am sure I ain't the only one.

Now, imagine finally properly made fantasy sandbox, (Last time I laid my hands on one was UO).

Even better, screw TESO, let Interplay continue their survival based sandbox Fallout MMO.

Originally posted by Iselin

Originally posted by Neherun

Originally posted by ZedTheRock

Like all MMO's released in the last couple years the only thing lacking and the only thing this game needs is a Functioning and fun Endgame for the PvE and progression for the hardcore.

 

Thats it, it won't take much but besides PvP the only thing a game needs to to create enough PvE content to keep the people happy with enough progression and experiences to continue to hook the player into playing.

The game requires longevity for PvP as well. It requires real rewards and real risk scenarios. Do you think any PvP'er would play a mindless zerg grind for days over and over? They wouldn't.

 

Yup. Most FPSers wouldn't like it.

But what looks like a mindless zerg to some, is organized, tactical group PvP to those who plan and execute it. Sorry, there are no scoreboards here you can screen cap and post after 10 minutes of  screaming "noob" at each other in "real" PvP.

I'm starting to think you misunderstood me.

By real rewards I'm going with Siege mechanics, they need to be rewarding for both sides, the defender and the attacker. For risk scenarios. There has to be something at stake when you siege, it doesn't have to be anything personal. But something, perhaps that PvP resource players can get? Universal faction resources? Your guilds resources? Just something. Defenders have this already, we know you can upgrade the cities / keeps. So a fully upgraded city isn't something you want to lose (as a Shadowbane player I've experienced the thrill more than enough times). 

By mindless zerg grind I was referring to instanced unorganized PvP. It offered really, nothing. Only a chance to gain something repeating the repetetive pattern for 10 minutes, dropping out, joining a new game. Of course these kind of minigames are fun at start, but the content really isn't long lasting. I cannot play any instanced PvP for more than 36 hours, that's the maximum I reached in RIFT "hours played" wise. It in the end was nothing but "mindless zerg grinding", you rushed somewhere, doesn't really matter if in the end you won / did not, as long as you scored so many kills you got rewarded eitherway. Of course instanced PvP is different on organized level, but repeating the absolute same strategy you have found fitting is boring in the end as well.

Open-field PvP is something else then, and I expect Cyrodil to offer proper strategy requiring combat. I already am planning to go there with a guild focused  Spec group.

Originally posted by ZedTheRock

Like all MMO's released in the last couple years the only thing lacking and the only thing this game needs is a Functioning and fun Endgame for the PvE and progression for the hardcore.

 

Thats it, it won't take much but besides PvP the only thing a game needs to to create enough PvE content to keep the people happy with enough progression and experiences to continue to hook the player into playing.

The game requires longevity for PvP as well. It requires real rewards and real risk scenarios. Do you think any PvP'er would play a mindless zerg grind for days over and over? They wouldn't.

Originally posted by Horusra

Originally posted by bubaluba

Originally posted by Horusra

Originally posted by Neherun

Originally posted by Margulis

Originally posted by Shadanwolf

Want to kill this game ? Take the focus away from faction conflict.

 

Right, because the poll definitely shows the pvp focues crowd is in the majority..........

Because the poll is at MMORPG.com, the carebear's den and has 312 votes. It clearly states the accuracy of your claims that PvE outpopulates PvP market.

 

Just log on to any game and look at the servers.  Almost all have more PvE servers than PvP and PvP only games get no where near the numbers of PvE games.

lol which one?? Failed games maybe. Look at the most popular mmo WOW, you can see there  80% pvp servers. Probably you think about  LOTRO because it is the only pve game with over 100k players. AOC, EVE, EQ,EQ2--everything is around pvp

Wow 136 PvE servers 113 PvP servers...according to Census app 70% of 1,970,652 unique characters found play on PvE servers.

Originally posted by Horusra
Open world PvP is the fail mechanic of the MMO world...thanks to the Gankers and Epeeners.

First, World of Warcraft is a PvE focused game, of course majority of the characters are on PvE servers: But what's even more amusing that in PvE, there is such a large chunk of players playing those PvP minigames and cry out for more.

Open world PvP is a failure of a mechanic because you as individual cannot handle seeing your character beaten by another player? There's a certain insult one could use here. You are challenging the legitemacy of unrestricted PvP because of your biased self-centered views.

Originally posted by Margulis

Originally posted by Shadanwolf

Want to kill this game ? Take the focus away from faction conflict.

 

Right, because the poll definitely shows the pvp focues crowd is in the majority..........

Because the poll is at MMORPG.com, the carebear's den and has 312 votes. It clearly states the accuracy of your claims that PvE outpopulates PvP market.

Originally posted by immodium

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by ShakyMo
Tkreep

Please explain how rvr games "take away adventure"

Have you actually played daoc?

It has 99% the same pve as early EQ (it doesn't have the wow style instanced stuff of modern EQ though)

That made me chuckle considering how many have complained about TESO being more DAoC than TES. 

DAoC - Had about 250k players at its peak 

Skyrim - Sold 7 million copies in the first week 

Oblivion - Sold around 5 million

 

I would take a guess and say that most TES fans looking forward to TESO have not played DAoC. 

But over 80% of TES fans are console gamers. Unless they own a PC most TES fans won't be playing ESO.

Of course they are, all over 80% of them.

The only dissappointing thing about the orgrim in TESO is that they do not have gigantic testicles bouncing around. Why on the earth would an Daedra care about wearing a loincloth? Unless its a magical loincloth that protects his genitalia.