Originally posted by Kamayor

My previous threads have all been about trying to find a solid gaming pc for around $1100, but I looked around scraped together about another $400. So I've been looking around and I've always wanted an Alienware, but when I googled Alienware Good or Bad I found a lot of horror stories so is this a good brand to do this custom order

http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&kc=&oc=DPDODZ1

With an upgrade to Radeon 5870

or

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Alienware+-+Aurora+Desktop+with+Intel%26%23174;+Core%26%23153;+i7+Processor/9696064.p?id=1218151630210&skuId=9696064

 

If you want to pay way too much money for a cool case that few people will see, then buy an Alienware. Honestly, if you want a good gaming rig, build one- you'll get more satisfaction out of it.

www.newegg.com

www.tigerdirect.com

www.techforless.com

I agree with the article, but not to the extent that many other posters do. I don't think that EA is going to "out-compete" other games or drive away the indies, if that were the case, Blizzard would have already taken care of that. EA is simply trying to be the next Blizzard, probably because it sees the incredible amount of money that company is still making on a 6 year old title. Here's where my concern is:

I played WAR and was so horrified by the unfinished garbage that was delivered I swore that I would wait 3-6 months before playing any new releases, especially those released by EA. If memory serves, EA was counting on WAR to take off and make a shit-ton of money after its release.

I'm not sure how much WAR cost, but it wasn't $150,000,000

Now, if you consider WAR to be a catastrophic failure to investors, try telling them that they only have 500K subs (I'm NOT saying that's all this game will get, this is just a hypothetical) and the company just pissed away more money than the GDP of a small nation- that will cause an investor- relations and Board of Directors nightmare which may lead to negatively affecting the industry as a whole. The best way to kill development of a genre is to have enough major flops that it makes all the big boys shy-away. Not that I don't love my Indie sandboxes, but sometimes I want to go to fucking Disney World.

If you want a JRPG that's turn-based, check out "Knights of Xentar"- its an oldie but goodie.

Originally posted by heartless

You know what was cool about being "back in my days?" No one made these posts. Because "back in my day" we understood that stereotyping a whole group of completely different people didn't make sense.

That's not true. You know you judged people :P

Originally posted by Vexe

 I support the game and will pay for it because I believe in the project AND I am going to play it. Also I think it's really fun. I know the value of money. I'm cancelling my AoC and FFXI subscriptions for this because I have a budget. I want the project to succeed so badly, because this is the kind of game I've been waiting for for a long time. But I'm not willing to make an unreasonable sacrifice for it. This is because I believe in fairness and darwinism to a certain degree.

's all I'm sayin'. Don't spend money on a crappy product that you don't want to play. If you think that a product has value and you enjoy it, then reward the company with your money and enjoy your game.

Originally posted by neonaka

Seems so but when we try, MMORPG deletes the thread, only wow gets away with buddy key swapping. All other games are doomed to low pops.

I'm willing to bet that they get deleted because they turn into troll and flame wars

Originally posted by sonoggi

cant get past the childish graphics. this game doesnt look like star wars to me.

a) Which version of StarWars are you talking about? The original "good" movies (4,5,6) before Lucas retouched them and added stuff, after the changes, or the modern movies (1,23) which were, in my opinion, UTTER CRAP (except for you, Liam). Or are you comparing it to the Clone Wars cartoon series?

b) Did you notice that these were models on a 3d plane fort he express purpose of showing off how some of the abilities will function and act?

c) Do you realize this game is still in the development phase, don't you?

Originally posted by tro44_1

Originally posted by DerWotan

OP and some others are the reason people despise Wow so much. Coming out, writting some long paragraphs on how "Wow brought feature X to the genre" which is absolutely BS.

Open World - Long  meaningful traveltimes? Ultima Online, Everquest 1, Meridian 59

My main problem is the fact that so much exWowers are coming to new MMORPGs flaming, trolling the forums with posts like "it takes to much time, is to hard hasn't simple wow X feature" stuff like that is just wrong. You wan't it easy without penalties? Go play Wow and stick to this game forever. But please for the sake of god leave our game immediately.

Aion did a lot of things right despite listening to same of the whiny carebears by introducing 200% xp weekends, lowering the xploss for deaths and not enough endgame content. Once they'll fix this watch out!

Wow is also to blame for the constand "arcading" of MMORPG's. Just look at the interviews often you'll find crap like "simple, easy to understand and casual" instead of "deep gameplay, nice atmosphere and epic moments". The industry itself has to learn and advance!

Yes Wow is having millions and millions of players guess what? There are people that wan't something else are already bored of it and this is the big chance if only someone would "risk" it.

Nowadays you have to be an independent studio to release a real mmorpg like Darkfall. Because "big projects" are controlled by big businessmen that never ever coded something in their whole ***** life. Just spreading crap like "simple = $$$" which is absolutely BS.

Warhammer was an epic fail. Girlfiend of mine got a beta invite and she told me day after day how highly moderated negative threads were back then. People made great points telling Mythic how much they're driving away from the original Daoc-skin but Mythic failed to listen and tried to create Wow with a RvR skin - destinated to fail.

Company HAD everything in place $$$, epic huge IP plus a "skin" that worked (Daoc) so all that had to be done was: take this huge IP and transform into a Daoc #2 skin -->success + $$$.

 

 

 

 

 

Clearly you are blinded by WoW hate rage, that you didnt bother to even read the OP.

I never said anything about Wow brought feature X to the genre. I think it was one of the first sentences on the OP that I stated WoW takes ideas from other games.

So much WoW hate, I guess you skiped over that part, and when I repeated it later in the thread.

 

As zorn and others put it, Indie developers go after niche groups in the first place. The big names are listening to the Anti-WoW population that makes up their fanbase, which is why the big names dont do much better.

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People didnt in fact enrage on the subject of WoW's travel times. Just look at Warhammer's forum during the early hype stages. Many of these people brung up WoW's Travel times whenever the subject was brought up on the tiered load screen zones.

Even Guild Wars fanbase are agaisnt long travel times from WoW.

You keep trying to argue against me, yet clearly you are pointed out what I am saying, but you are to blinded by WOW HATE to see that.

WoW didnt invent much, it takes whats good and revampes it to fit their game. So of course you are going to see similar themes to Older MMORPGs.

But with WoW haters dislike for things WoW has, you wont see these features anymore (WHICH AGAIN AS I POINTED OUT, MANY OF THESE IDEAS COME FROM OLDER GAMES)

So when WoW hater promote this anti-WoW approuch on Developers, then basically new MMOs will skip out on those features. Only the Indie developers are left to tackle such things since their target is already niche grouped.

Getting back to the original topic (strange idea, huh?) The communities in Fallen Earth and Ryzom are void of wow- haters. Many of the games that I got into, like WAR and AOC weren't full of WoW-haters- the guilds and clans that I was in generally accepted that Raiding Experience is Raiding experience. WoW gives several good lessons on how to be in a party/raid and how to use teamwork and strategy to take down a boss. The game where I expected  WoW- hate the Most was LOTRO, and yet, there was little to be had. 

Perhaps, I just missed it, but its more likely that I add anybody who shouts insults in public channels to my ignore list- regardless of who they're hating on.

For everybody else, GO BACK TO PEN AND PAPER! THAT"S WHERE THE HARDCORE SHIT IS! (I couldn't resist)

It's pretty universal. We tend to forget the bad and only remember the good. I still have fond memories of classic RPGs and old video games. I keep forgetting that all games, not just RPGs and MMO's, were very "grindy". I think that all the advancements that have been made are a good thing. We keep forgetting that if we had to go back to UO Classic where you spent 1 week fishing so that you could have enough money to buy a sword only to have all of your shit taken from you by bands of PK's hanging outside of the starting town, that very few people would be playing these games. The fact is that all of the popularity has lead to innovation and variety of games.

 Then give some classic games that you missed a spin:

www.homeoftheunderdogs.net/

or

www.gog.com

or you can download emulators and play some of the Classis NES, SNES, Gameboy, Genesis, Playsation, N64, PSX, MAME, etc on emulators. SNES9x and Nesticle are prestty awesome emulators and the games are easily found. I believe another poster recommended this.

Originally posted by MalekTaus

No because GW is not a MMO

 

How is it not an MMO? Is it not Massive, Multiplayer, and Online?

 Try some of the f2p out there. Start with DDO, try Spellborn, etc. try EvE and some others with free trials

Originally posted by Swoogie

I saw an ad for Panda Express the other day on MMORPG.com

Should I rant?

 

You should. They use lots of MSG which has shown to increase risk of cancer and diabetes.

 Check out this site. Lots of great goodies in it:

www.gog.com/en/frontpage/

Originally posted by Krux

Cool. Now with the keen abortion analogy, I have reason to kill babies;  mmorpg.com allows gold-seller advertisement.  Now if only I can use this to justify that drug use is ok.  brb

Why isn't drug usage okay? Is it because our government decided to side with Dow Chemical and Anheiser Busch 70 years ago? Is it because we can only do the drugs that the government makes money off of that, in many cases, are more addictive than street drugs (I'm looking at you Wellbutrin and Oxycodon).  MMORPG isn't advertising Bob's Meth Lab  or Even Glaxxo Smith Klein, they're advertising a service that many people use, whether you like it or not. And for that matter, these gold farmers that have 5, 10, 20, 50 accounts are giving the game companies more money than you are. Blame the damn game companies

 I'm willing to bet that these sites pay per click-through. If you don't like the advertising, then make it ineffective by NOT CLICKING ON IT. The only reason why they advertise on this site is because it works. If there advertising no longer works, then they will stop advertising here.

For that matter, every publication advertises pretty much who they want. When I worked for the NDIA, you would find articles that would be reviewing products by FLIR or Boeing -good and bad- while you would see ads for both those companies and their competitors.

I don't approve of Gold Farming/Selling, but they only exist because a) People buy it and b) because devs do not address the problem enough. I firmly believe that they could stop gold selling or make it so expensive in loss of accounts and price of gold that they would become a very small problem

MMORPG.COM: Make your money, sell your advertising to who you want. If I don't like it I won't click on it

Originally posted by elocke

 

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Originally posted by Garvon3

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Originally posted by RavingRabbid

 

So you've played this game and know its themepark?  We dont know enough about the game to know what happens after the initial area or if the "story" part is just part of the initial area also. Dont be so quick to judge with little information. If you dont like Bioware making the game or your assuming its a themepark game then dont play it. Personally Im looking forward to see what this game has in store for us.
(BBBBBWWWWWAAAAHHHHHH goes to bioware to have plungers put in the game. bioware tells the Raving Rabbid that plungers would be too overpowered.)

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LITTLE information? We have it straight from the mouth of the devs. 
They said 95% of the content is intended for a solo player to complete. You get NPC companions so you don't NEED a group to get through this content. The content is story based and instanced. 
How in satans holy hell do you think that's going to be a sandbox? 
 
Add in the fact that every single Bioware game made in the past 12 years has been a linear storyline based single player game.... it doesn't take a genius to figure it out. 

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Since when does Sandbox = group play? Personally, I'm a fan of both styles, themepark and sandbox. As long as they do an awesome job in either style, I'm a happy GAMER. If you don't like themeparks at all, don't bother watching the game's development and commenting on it. Just move on.

Most of the sandboxes that I have played (okay, both of them) Ryzom and Fallen Earth were 95% solo. Leveling in a themepark like WoW or WAR was 50/50 and end-game is almost 90% grouping. That's what I want in a mmo

 What will be the "end of sandbox MMO's" will be companies who keep releasing unfinished products. They want players to wait six or seven years for all of their promised features to be available? That's like waiting for classic WoW to just be releasing KT40 now! 

And MMO's, especially sandboxes, don't hinge on the success of this poorly release game. Fallen Earth is doing quite well, EVE is still picking up players and Ryzom has been resurrected, not to mention all of the other sandboxes that are in various stages of development. This guy's an ass. I will never buy a Star Vault product.