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Originally posted by nankura

Alot of those game's you menchoned are still restricted by the typical ruleset , killing/weird monsters and low freedom, yea sure u can create mods for oblivion. dragon age etc, but theres no online play. once the game is over its over and theres not much more beyond that and freedom is limited

I want to see more sandbox game's like the original NWN, were you could create any world you wanted. create your dream's with almost no limitation's and experience that with friend's and foe's

All these new games even the multiplayer mmo's suffer major restrictions. limitations, repetitive play, and just aim on amazing graphics and boasting amazing gameplay then you buy the game and its a dissapointement

What i want is the old day's of nwn type game's to come back

Sorry, dude- but you're going to have to go back to good ol' pen and paper games. Might I recommend G.U.R.P.S. or White Wolf Games, or 

 Was is really necessary to learn cursive penmanship? Other than my crap-ass, illegible signature I can find no other uses for it.

Originally posted by nickwjm

Hi all,

After much looking around I have decided to return to Vanguard as I feel it has by far the best crafting system of any MMORPG. I enjoy skill based crafting, and crafting that many people would find tiresome. The latter filters out true crafters from the WoW crafting generation =).

I played for a bit after launch but I have decided to return and start again from scrach. I am looking for some advice as to which server to start on. Although I am UK based I dont mind playing on a US server. I am mainly interested in both making and selling things, and the latter depends more on population and doesnt need them to be online at the same time as me =).

So is there any advice on which server could best suit my needs?

Many thanks in advance

NickWJM Master Armoursmith PreNGE SWG
NickWJM Master Armoursmith EQ2
NickWJM Lvl 40 Carpenter Vanguard SoH
Lucius Blackdragon Capt HMS Royal Sovereign, Couronne Class POTBS

What is the crafting style in Vanguarrd? Is it more like Ryzom?

 I agree that they are missing an opportunity here for more story, but I think that the first responder is correct. Most of their creative resources are going to their new MMO currently slated for 2012 (it'll probably coincide with the end of the world, stupid Blizzard). What I am hoping for in the long run is that they fix Naxxaramas (there is no point in going to Naxx anymore) and scale the power of Arthas when they release the next expansion. 

Originally posted by Cyborg99

WoW's community is one of the best I've seen, the rest of the mmo communities (excluding LOTR and AoC) are all bitter fanbois because of WoW's sucess so they constantly say "go back to WoW' and other WoW hated related sayings to new players. WoW hate is just a sign of jealousy lol.

I did notice that in LOTRO too, that nobody used WoW as an insult. Many of the players there are WoW and EQ vets and like the game for what it is, not as a comparisson to WoW

Originally posted by googajoob7

Originally posted by Astralglide

Originally posted by Korhindi

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Korhindi

 

Quoted for Truth.

I have also seen LFG requests for Heroics that list gear reqs in the post.

WoW is rampant with elitsm.

Not all guilds are that way, but it is a major problem, and turn off, IMHO.

 

Comon guys .... read the blue. An heroic dungeon  these days for a ... gear check. lol

And then say "... not all guilds are that way ..." ?!?!?!

This guy isn't even playing World of Warcraft.

WotlK despite its "one time achievement" question stands MILES above the original elitist WoW where only 5% of its player base raided.

 

Actually, Zorndorf, you are correct, I am not subbed to WoW right now.  I unsubbed last month.  I have only played since release and really know nothing of the game.

Like I said earlier up in this thread, I am so enamoured with your psychic prowess.  You know all about everyone at all times-- For your's is the superior intellect.  You are the Guru.

The only problem with Gurus, is that they usually live in isolation and are out of touch with reality.  This seems to describe you to a tee.

Funny how there are posts in this very thread where folks mention they do gear checks for Heroics... but yeah, it don't happen... never.

Time for you to go back up the mountain, oh Guru of WoW.

Exactly, Heroics is how you get gear for raiding. That, and with raids being 10/25 man and having different levels of difficulty, there are a lot more people raiding these days.

 

perhaps this is why the gameworld seams so dead now ? everyone is in instances or battlegrounds .

as for zorndorf on his mountain . i hope hes got some juniper bushes up there . thats all hes got to eat . :P

It is true, the gameworld on lower levels seem only twice as active as a busy night on a WAR server :P There's all kinds of questing, etc going on in NR and not so much n Vanilla WoW. Outland isn't so bad, but I really don't like that expansion anyway. I am really glad that they are revamping the old world and breathing some fresh life into their original content.

Originally posted by Ibluerate

I plan on buying Fallout 3, but I've got a few questions about purchasing it.

First, if I buy it from D2D can I download it, then split the downloaded files in half and place them on two disks that can each carry 4gb of data, then when I'd like to install it again in the future I can just copy the files from one disk onto my computer and then copy the files from the other disk onto my computer and install it that way instead of redownloading it?

Or

Is there a website that allows you to purchase a game disk, but also download it so you do not have to wait for the game disk to come in the mail?

 

 

And yes I know I can go to the store and get it, but I'm to busy to and don't have a form of transportation to get to one.

Also, I've seen some people who dislike Fallout 3 on this website, if you dislike it, please don't post in here unless you plan to answer either question.

Just buy the "Game of the Year" edition from Amazon. It comes with all the expansions and will get to you in a couple of days

Originally posted by Swanea

Originally posted by tsukts

i heard march 2010....

 

3.3 is most likely coming in december, maybe late.  So 3 months till xpac? Meh, I might think later.

The background downloader jsut kicked in yesterday for me yesterday and downloaded 3.3 which means it should be out either next week or beginning of December

 I have a 9800GTX and I couldn't be happier with it. I would go with NVIDIA either way. For me, every ATI product has failed or had issues. I've never had problems with Nvidia.

Originally posted by Zorvan01

Originally posted by Nightbringe1

Originally posted by Dawnsinger

Exactly what it says on the tin. Should people who use the Darkfall advertising links get them removed / their topics about them get deleted?

For those that don't know: Aventurine is paying players $10 for each and every player they bring into the game ( via buying it ) and this sounds ridiculously like grass shoots marketing ( which is illegal ) and a bit of a pyramid scheme in it's own way ( which is also illegal ).

So, should those with it in their signatures have it removed / their posts on it deleted?

EDIT: To those that don't get it, read this: Darkfall Community Publishing Program Offers Money Making Opportunities

 

Not unless you are willing to ban all signatures wilth game related links in them.

They do if those links are referral links.
 

People should be allowed to market and "spread the word" for the games that they like, but they should not be accepting fees to advertise those games- that takes away from MMORPG's profit. I think we should all make a habit of clicking on MMORPG's paid links more oftern

Originally posted by Korhindi

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Korhindi

 

Quoted for Truth.

I have also seen LFG requests for Heroics that list gear reqs in the post.

WoW is rampant with elitsm.

Not all guilds are that way, but it is a major problem, and turn off, IMHO.

 

Comon guys .... read the blue. An heroic dungeon  these days for a ... gear check. lol

And then say "... not all guilds are that way ..." ?!?!?!

This guy isn't even playing World of Warcraft.

WotlK despite its "one time achievement" question stands MILES above the original elitist WoW where only 5% of its player base raided.

 

Actually, Zorndorf, you are correct, I am not subbed to WoW right now.  I unsubbed last month.  I have only played since release and really know nothing of the game.

Like I said earlier up in this thread, I am so enamoured with your psychic prowess.  You know all about everyone at all times-- For your's is the superior intellect.  You are the Guru.

The only problem with Gurus, is that they usually live in isolation and are out of touch with reality.  This seems to describe you to a tee.

Funny how there are posts in this very thread where folks mention they do gear checks for Heroics... but yeah, it don't happen... never.

Time for you to go back up the mountain, oh Guru of WoW.

Exactly, Heroics is how you get gear for raiding. That, and with raids being 10/25 man and having different levels of difficulty, there are a lot more people raiding these days.

Originally posted by Alienovrlord

AV could have avoided any comments by simply offering a free month to play for bringing in another player.  

Instead once again AV manages take something completely normal and twist it around into something bizarre.    As well as providing an entertaining read on the community forums lol 

That would definately have been a better idea,

Originally posted by Xiaoki

 

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Originally posted by nariusseldon

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Originally posted by Daffid011  
If someone wants a link to achievements or gearscore, I thank them for the group offer and decline, because I don't play to rush to victory.   If you are having problems getting into pugs or whatever you claim, then the solution is to form your own groups and not require gear checks.  Wow has a very diverse playerbase and there are people who have similar play values as yourself.  Just let people know what kind of group you are running and you will find players to fill those spots and eventually a guild with similar values. 
 

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I won't run a raid group without some gear check, unless you are doing the starting ones (like Naxx or OS with no drakes).
It is simply NOT possible for fresh 80s with no gear to do ToC 10/25. Achievement, OTOH, is less important. Most people can learn some of the encounters fairly quickly.
No one has the patience to go through wipes after wipes on PUGs. It is just the reality of it.

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Really? Really?!

 

ToC 10 is pathetic easy and can be done with a full group of Naxx geared people.
In ToC 25 you will want at least half the raid to be in the ilevel 226 to 232 range.

Gear check is retarded, especially for Heroics. Achievement checking means very little, Ive seen DPS doing 1.5k pulled through ToC 25 PUGs.

Ive also seen people in blues and greens forming raids demanding gear scores and achievement checks.

 Actually, TOC10 and 25 does need at leat a mix of t7.5 and t8 to go smooth. I don't ever require achieves for my raids, I just ask that they know how to follow directions and can log into vent

Originally posted by Zorvan01

Originally posted by Einstein-DF

Originally posted by Astralglide

Originally posted by Zorvan01

Originally posted by Astralglide

 

2) Offering people money to sell your product is not a pyramid scheme.; its commission (which is also not illegal) to quote wikipedia: "A pyramid scheme is a non-sustainable business model that involves the exchange of money primarily for enrolling other people into the scheme, often without any product or service being delivered." Again, this is not a pyramid scheme, its just good marketing.

 

 

Exactly.

So, is Aventurine sending out time cards, tax forms, ect., to it's new commision paid employees? Are they ensuring that those working in the program are over 18 OR at least 16 with a valid work permit? At least to the ones here in the U.S.? Because otherwise, they're breaking the law. Amazing how much difference paying in real money rather than non-monetary incentives can affect things.

It's actually up to the individual to report income. As with all referral programs (Direct TV and several insurance companies do the exact same thing), this would fall under implied contractual agreement for 1099 wages. IF people make more than $600 from referrals, then they would have to report it to the IRS. A work permit is not required because they are not asking for anything more than referrals ergo, this is not a job. Companies don't have to report their payments to non-employees (1099), but they do because they get to write off those expenses from their own taxes. Again, this is not illegal at all.

 

Here is a man that knows what he is talking about.

 

I know he's telling the truth, since I have dealt with quite a few trolls in my time.

 

@ Astralglide: And what happens when mommy or daddy ask why they're getting these comissions, find out it's because their kids have been put to work without the parents acknowledgement, and decide to take Aventurine to task for it? Also, if someone were to make over $600 in commission, how is AV covered when they didn't provide the required documentation to begin with? Getting 60 people to play, while maybe doubtful, is still possible and any smart person would account for it just in case.

@ Einstein: And if you live in the U.S. Einstein and don't know a simple thing like saying "they lied about their age" doesn't work in court, I don't know what to tell you except you might want to think about changing your forum name. And don't date any "18" year old girls.

*Sigh* Zorvan, I know that you  think you're right, so I will try this again.

I do not know how they are paying out these referral fees, most companies still send checks in the mail. I would assume that since the credit cards they have on file were not authorized to recieve payments that Adventurtine would be doing the same. Furthermore, and I cannot stress this enough, this is not a job. This is not employment. Period. If you really think that there's a violation of federal law here, then I will let you go through the Department of Labor Child Labor Law site yourself and you can report them. Please don't be surprised when they either ignore your letter or send you a response telling you something very similar to what I have. 

Look, I've backed you up when I thought you were right, but you are completely wrong here.

 OP- My main is a Resto/Ele Shammy and I have run into some gear checks as well. I am also guilty of doing gear checks sometimes. Two things:

a) Have a heal spec- they rarely check healer's gear

b) People who ask for the achievs and do thorough gear checks are the same people who just want to "blow through" the instance or raid. If you are just getting back into the swing of things, then these are not the groups for you anyway. I am sorry that you found so many douches. If you ever hop servers, come to Malfurion and look up the "Knights Who Say Ni"- we'd love to have you :)

Originally posted by Zorvan01

Originally posted by Astralglide

 

2) Offering people money to sell your product is not a pyramid scheme.; its commission (which is also not illegal) to quote wikipedia: "A pyramid scheme is a non-sustainable business model that involves the exchange of money primarily for enrolling other people into the scheme, often without any product or service being delivered." Again, this is not a pyramid scheme, its just good marketing.

 

 

Exactly.

So, is Aventurine sending out time cards, tax forms, ect., to it's new commision paid employees? Are they ensuring that those working in the program are over 18 OR at least 16 with a valid work permit? At least to the ones here in the U.S.? Because otherwise, they're breaking the law. Amazing how much difference paying in real money rather than non-monetary incentives can affect things.

It's actually up to the individual to report income. As with all referral programs (Direct TV and several insurance companies do the exact same thing), this would fall under implied contractual agreement for 1099 wages. IF people make more than $600 from referrals, then they would have to report it to the IRS. A work permit is not required because they are not asking for anything more than referrals ergo, this is not a job. Companies don't have to report their payments to non-employees (1099), but they do because they get to write off those expenses from their own taxes. Again, this is not illegal at all.

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by htiger23

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by htiger23

 

It makes sense that there are enormous differences between the Squig Herder and the White Lion since they are not mirror classes.  The White Lion's counterpart is the marauder while the Squig Herder's counterpart is the Shadow Warrior.  The fact that one side of each pair is a pet class means nothing...If you take a look at the proper pairings, they are indeed very similar with minor nuances.

Good luck EVER balancing a pet class with a non-pet class, and Mythic tried it twice. Some absolutely baffling design choices in the game.

 

I completely agree with you.  It is quite difficult to manage the damage/life of pets while keeping a class balanced.  I just wanted to point out that White Lions are not the counterpart of Squig Herders.  I am still baffled at the sheer number of people who believe that 2 classes having a pet must mean they are related classes.

White Lions are more similar to Squig Herders than he is to a Maruader. Class dynamics between pet classes are so different to non-pet classes that they cannot possibly be each others counterpart.

If Mythic indeed tried to balance it that way then they are in for a big fail. It is not possibly to mirror one class with an AI mob to one without. It is like trying to mirror a ranged class to a melee combat class.

I really hated the "Class Mirroring" thing. I was hoping that Destruction and ORder would have classes that were more unique to their factions. There has to be a way to balance classes without reskinning the ones you already have.

Originally posted by Dawnsinger

Exactly what it says on the tin. Should people who use the Darkfall advertising links get them removed / their topics about them get deleted?

For those that don't know: Aventurine is paying players $10 for each and every player they bring into the game ( via buying it ) and this sounds ridiculously like grass shoots marketing ( which is illegal ) and a bit of a pyramid scheme in it's own way ( which is also illegal ).

So, should those with it in their signatures have it removed / their posts on it deleted?

EDIT: To those that don't get it, read this: Darkfall Community Publishing Program Offers Money Making Opportunities

I've never played Darkfall and have no desire, but I want to clarity a couple of things:

1) Grass Roots Marketing IS NOT illegal. In fact it is a developing business model that is growing  in popularity very rapidly. If grass roots marketing was illegal, then every President since Carter would be in jail, along with all of their supporters, (please don't start talking about whether or not they should have gone anyway), Google would not exists and neither would Apple for that matter. Most tech-savvy companies or those who especially appeal to the indie crowd love grass roots marketing. (Look at what Microsoft is trying to do with Win 7)

2) Offering people money to sell your product is not a pyramid scheme.; its commission (which is also not illegal) to quote wikipedia: "A pyramid scheme is a non-sustainable business model that involves the exchange of money primarily for enrolling other people into the scheme, often without any product or service being delivered." Again, this is not a pyramid scheme, its just good marketing.

Originally posted by willvas

Originally posted by Astralglide

Originally posted by willvas

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by willvas

Originally posted by Zorndorf

I am also quite convinced that you will not find another game soon that will generate far over 1 billion dollars yearly revenu based on a .... PAY to PLAY model in this industry.

LINK PLEASE... show me the link where they made over 1 billion dollars on just WOW.  maybe as a VIVindi game company with all their games sure... but that is not all with just WOW. 
Link please show it or shut up about numbers.

 

 

 

No problem.

here is the link: http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/ACTI/756262882x0x293312/3eb12711-d1ca-4f34-a272-5523017f19f9/Q1_CY09_FINAL.pdf

PAGE 5 .... First lines ....

Revenus for WOW:  314 Million dollars in ONE quarter alone of 2009 ....

Now go play somewhere else with your WOW hate.

Like I said they sell ONLY in the west the equivalent of 36 MILLION subscription card boxes - worth 30 dollars a piece. That's RETAIL price . So Blizzard probably has 30 % less than the retail value. So probably they even sell MORE.

That's the equivalent of sold boxes NOT one single game EVER could touch... in 30 years of video gaming.

....YEARLY.
 

.... For 5 years.

Not even counting the 9% revenu worth of Chinese players...(I HAVE the reference if you want that too ! be warned !).

On 596 servers not even counting the Chinese ones ....(do you want the server list too perhaps ???) :)

 

YOU ARE A MORON... thats all i can say... MORON.   LOL  i have to call you one because you totally remind of the 2 guys in DUMB AND DUMBER....

those figures you give me... are the quarter revenues for VIVINDI games.. which includes BLIZZARD and ACTIVISION.  Do you really think that WOW is the only game this company makes? Please answer this.... because there is a ton of activision and blizzard games out besides WOW.  

again you have a READING COMPREHENSION PROBLEM.  SHOW ME THE LINK OF SUBSCRIPTIONS.  US has only 2-2.5 million man.. thats it.  I showed you the link and did the work for you and you show me quarterly revenues for a company not the game... LOL you really cant be this old... you must be in Middle SCHOOL.  

I cant even have a conversation and small debate with you.  You lack any kind of intelligence.  Show me the LINK WHERE THEY HAVE 6 MILLION US SUBSCRIPTIONS like you say... And I will beleive you... but i dont... show me.

I already proved to you with links.. you show me this garbage?  you are unreal.

games by blizzard that still makes money...

Diablo 2

starcraft

warcraft 3

games coming out for blizzard

starcraft 2

diablo 3

ACTIVISION GAMES

DJ Hero

Band Hero

Call of DUTY series  (big money maker here)

marvel ultimate alliance 1 and  2

Xmen origins:wolverine

all spider man games

quantam of SOlice 007

all the shrek games

spyro

wolfenstein

Blur

all the transformer games

all the tony hawk games

AND MANY MANY MORE..................

THese are included in that quarterly review man... learn to read.

and you basically trying to take the quarterly reveiws and dividing it to get your numbers is not the way to do it.  as i have already mentioned it does not itemize as they say "other" a lot .  that other is what you should be concerned about. 

because you dont know what the "other" is. 

again... SHOW PROOF of subscriptions.  dividing their revenues is not PROOF.  those revenues are for VIVINDI games: blizzard and activision NOT FOR WOW.

 

try again.  and again reading comprehension is something you need to learn mr. middle school student, i said i HATE people like you who come into other games bragging about WOW and saying things need to be more like WOW.... especially in my game WARHAMMER.

YOU are the #1 reason why i dislike anything with WOW.

P.S.  your 596 servers dont add up.. maybe you should do the math again... even if they max the servers at 3000-5000.  last i heard it was 5000 per server before they give you a queue. most servers arent full too.  that doesnt even give you 3 million playing.

 

First of all, here is the proof that you asked for: www.mmogchart.com/Chart1.html LOL dude i never denied WOW didnt have 10+ million.. you need to learn to read... i said there wasnt 6 million US subscribers like he claims... now show me a chart with that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..   ZORNDORF still waiting for you to show me current 6 million US subscribers... still waiting...

It puts WoW at 10m active subs. I know you're going to disregard it, but I figured I'd show you anyway. LOL read above you dont even have our argument correct.

 

"try again. and again reading comprehension is something you need to learn mr. middle school student, i said i HATE people like you who come into other games bragging about WOW and saying things need to be more like WOW.... especially in my game WARHAMMER."

WAR is, by definition a WoW clone. says you... first off Warhammer is based all on PVP... WOW was based on PVE.. in fact WOW didnt even have PVP when it was launched... so no it is far from a WOW clone... you obviously have not played it.  There is many many differences.   Their target market was WoW players and they really went after Blizzard. tell me what company that doesnt try to steal subs from WOW? its called competition.  Business 101... You can continue to deny it all you want, but you're just going to look like a depserate troll. LOL yeah im a troll and what does it make you... a troll too because you didnt even read the threads we posted correctly.  BTW- calling someone names, especially things like "Mr. Middleschool" only makes you look like a douche. Yep im a douche... ok?  feel better... because he is showing figures for a company... not just WOW... oh and it doesnt say subscriptions... by the way.. with those figures.. they had just released an expansion.. of course.. he is dividing that up saying there is the subs... LOL... thats my point... show me the subs for the UNITED STATES... there isnt 6 million from the US.  I know this as a fact.  Furthermore, behaving like a spoiled brat and calling someone a child makes you look like a hypocrite, in case you were having difficulty comprehending you own post no problems comprehending my post but somebody posting in the same manner... you sunk to my level didnt you?  so guess what it makes you?  yep a douche too.  Welcome to the club. 

"YOU are the #1 reason why i dislike anything with WOW."

Really? This one user on MMORPG.com is the the #1 reason why you dislike anything with WoW? Really? This one guy who posted on this one topic is the sole reason why you dislike a product? Have you tried the product? Or, are you "too mature" to have rational discussions? Grow Up.  LOL you have reading comprehension problems too but im gonna take a wild guess you didnt read any of my reasons.. it just so happens i have said it was people like him who play other games... Screaming out in a game like warhammer needs this like WOW and needs that like WOW.  WOW is better then this game.  Warhammer needs dancing like WOW.  Warhammer needs Dueling like WOW.   Warhammer needs arenas like WOW.  oh i have heard them all on our chat in warhammer.  All the WOW talk in lots of MMOs... this is the reason you putz... read all the threads before spewing out garbage.  I specifically pointed him out in a thread because he fits right in there with the same people.  SO yeah he is the #1 reason along with all the other WOW fanboys who love going to other games and spewing off WOW love in other game general chats.

 

 

Look, I know that you have a lot of emotion wrapped up in hating WoW and loving WAR. I played WAR from the open beta through its first two very dissapointing months. I even came back a couple months ago because I heard that the SC's were always poppin' and they were (in tier 2). I NEVER heard anybody say "There should be dancing like WoW" or "There should be duels like WoW" or anything other than "There should be more content like wow" or "this game should be polished like wow" or even "hey, maybe they should have finished this game before release" like wow.

To your second point about me not reading and whether or not the US has 6 million subs. The chart that I linked you (which you did not look at) shows games with subs over 200k over the last 10 years. At no point was there a drastic drop in subs for WoW, their numbers climbed steadily since 2005. This means, that either Chinese subs were paying while their government block wow or that they really do have a strong US and European base. Take a look at the numbers and quit flaming