Originally posted by nachofoot

Originally posted by Astralglide

Of course they're dropping the price already. This is a SUBSCRIPTION game! They want the $15/mo from as many people as they can! The people who were willing to pay $60 (myself included) for the game have already bought it and now they will slowly drop the price to maximize their paying customer base. It's not a sign of failure, but a sign of good marketing.

 

Its a case of the retailer thinking the game is worth more than actual market price.  In this case, the difference is ~$20.  In one month, the price will drop another $10-15 easily.  They just topped 1 million subscribers.  However, that means over 1 / 3rd or 600,000 players cancelled their pre-order.

 

Players are just angry that they paid $60 for a game that's now worth much less.  They're also angry that anyone DARES to put down their game.  I saw the same when AoC launched.

 

Looking at MetaCritic, the game receives an 87 critic score and a 6.1 user score.  It is about 5th best rated right now.  Skyrim is #1 at most gaming sites and should be classified as Game of the Year.

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Then they don't understand the concept of a subscription service. The value and cost to conusmers of a subscription model service is hardly in the initial investment. $60 to buy the game pales in comparrison to the $180/ year I'll be paying for who knows how long. If people feel they got ripped off for paying $60 for the game but are happily paying close to $200/year to play it, then they need to take a math class.

Originally posted by Sector13

Last time I checked, PC gamers do also have consoles which can take their time away from an MMO. Something that should be considered.

I don't- consoles bore me now

Of course they're dropping the price already. This is a SUBSCRIPTION game! They want the $15/mo from as many people as they can! The people who were willing to pay $60 (myself included) for the game have already bought it and now they will slowly drop the price to maximize their paying customer base. It's not a sign of failure, but a sign of good marketing.

Originally posted by TeknikoOnToR

I have never even heard of this game.  Is it any good?

Utterly dissapointing.

Originally posted by someforumguy

Well I guess that all the ppl that were eagerly waiting for the release of SWTOR, now have their copy. Don't find it odd that sales drop after release.

I think this game has somewhere in the neighborhood of 3 million pre-orders and MMOs still target a certain market. Why wouldn't new subs die off quickly after release? Everybody who was excited about it has bought it. Now they can expect some attrition as people get tired of it or don't like the game, etc. As long as they get more new subs than cancels, it's not "Dying" or even "winding down"

I have no idea why they even sell boxes anymore. If you play a MMO, you're obviously online and most likely have broadband. I haven't bought a box PC game since.....

I also have to disagree with the OP. I'm a troll, and proud. I only troll asshats, but I'm still a troll. The fact is that this site can ban me whenever the hell they wish- it's THEIR site- they get to decide who is allowed to post to it. Furthermore, when "discussing" the few temporary bans I've recieved here with the moderators, I found them nothing if not fair. They really aren't a bunch of forty-year olds smoking weed and living in their mother's basement who like to punish the posters for talking smack about them or their board. You can criticize this site all you want-as long as its reasonable. This is also a business that sells advertising and it hurts business to have threads titled "MMORPG.com Sucks Donkey Balls and Worships Satan". They also have to keep topics on track as this IS the Internet and people love to derail threads and attack each other because it's much easier to "sack-up" when you're anonymous. I can only assume that the OP recieve a ban or a warning and is upset about it. If you don't want to get warned or banned, don't say offensive and stupid shit. Don't harrass other people, don't try to derail threads, don't post troll-bait, and above all- don't be a troll. (Sometimes the warning is worth the ban- Sorry, Mike B.)

Hopefully, this means that they won't do the WOW thing of nerfing/buffing every class every patch. I'd rather not have my tank or healer ruined because they needed to "re-balance" the classes. For that matter, how many people are really going to play both dark and light-side characters?

EvE Online and Starcraft 2

Originally posted by Sideras

I'll use the market, wth are people stupid? YOU CAN EARN MONEY, I mean real money, that you can spend on booze and shit.

That's what I'm sayin'. I'll play Diablo 3 and have the crappiest geared max level toon ever because everytime I get a drop that's worth money, I'll sell it

Originally posted by sonoggi

i was considering maybe trying the trial of TOR one day, but with circus acts like this one wrecking every possibility of immersion, i wouldnt touch this game with a stick even if it was f2p.

how do you guys feel about Huttball? will you take your Jedi Master Sage or lvl 80 Inquisitor to play space football when theyre taking a break from seeing into the future, meditating, and toppling empires?

As long as it's fun. 

Considering that I have had only two ATI Cards, both of which underperformed next to their Nvidia counterparts and failed reletively quickly (I have never had an Nvidia card fail on me) You couldn't pay me to instal anything by ATI or AMD.

I have 8 Keys and will give you 250,000,000 ISK if you sign up (pay CCP) under one of my keys

Not that I'm an IP stickler, but since when were droids main characters in Star Wars? C3PO and R2D2 were definatly part of the story, but not integral, an droids were always shown as side kicks, etc. (There is the ridiculous General Whatshisname in the last of the Star Wars movies, but that's the only example I can think of)

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"Prostitutes and Cocaine"

Originally posted by xpowderx

Originally posted by sadeyx

so what are the player numbers like now?

Check the game out for yourself http://www.perpetuum-online.com/

15 day free trial..

Thanks! I'll check it out

Originally posted by Ginaz

The OP has obviously never played Guild Wars or World of Tanks if he thinks WoW's community is bad. WoW's community is no better or worse than any other.  I played for a few years and rarely came across anyone that genuinly pissed me off.  Even the dungeon finder groups weren't that bad, with maybe 1 in 10 groups containing an actual douche bag.  It sounds like someone wants to act all offended and needed an excuse to quit a game they were burnt out on.

Fair enough, I have not played ALL MMOs (I have played lots, though) and GW and WOT were two that I did not. I didn't like GW simply because there was no jump (yes, I'm one of those people) and WOT just sounded dumb to me.

Originally posted by JeroKane

Just the idea alone that the vast majority of players will be running around as either Jedi or Sith, flexing with their lightsabers.... makes me already vommit.

No thanks. This game had great potential.... but having a server full of jedi's and sith's isn't exactly really Star Wars and immersive in my book.

The lore always clearly stated that there were only two sith's in the universe at one time. One master and one apprentice. Never more, never less.

That was always the lore and what made it so mysterious and great.

And now for this game George Lucas throw it all overboard and changed it to that long ago there suddenly were lots of Sith's and them even having their own world.

Doesn't make any sense to me and never will. The moment this game and it's classes were announced, a little star wars died in me.

So we don't even have to talk about a possible worst community. They already potentially created it by the design direction of this game.

Does this mean all the annoying RPers will NOT play the game, and if they do they won't play Sith? Hell yes! Thank you Bioware!

Originally posted by sebbonx

Originally posted by Astralglide

I have been playing WoW off and on since Vanilla and have been an ardent defender of the game on these very forums. I was mostly a raider who did a little PvP and I will admit that I am a little bit of a troll (its hard to ignore stupid sometimes). The community in WoW has always been a little rough around the edges but, overall people were generally nice and helpful. Then, the devs released the dungeon finder. The dungeon finder, originally, was okay. You could kick people all you wanted. Yes, there was some abuse of the system and people complained- so the devs decided to make it almost impossible to kick someone out of a groupl if you were playing with friends. That, couple with the DF not matching people that were on the same servers until recently, created an environment where people were forced to play with nasty, mean, foul-mouthed fails who refused to play the game well with others. It got to the point that I could not even get through a boss-fight  in random dungeon in under 30 mintues because of all the fail, ass-hattery, and dropping/ waiting that went on. People refuse to target the tanks target, they refuse to get out of AOE, and they love to scream at each other the whole time instead of dropping the boss. It. is. not. fun.

Then there's trade and general chat. You can't ask questions in trade or general chat anymore or use trade to find raids, groups, or trade goods/services because of all the "Anal [Random Ability]" spam, ridiculous amount of trolling, or discussions of various deities expelling bodily fluids in various orrifices of various animals and parental/religious/political figures. If they are not discussing those things, then they are screaming vulgar racial epiphets. If I had a child under the age of 16, he/she would NOT be allowed to play WoW. 

I believe what has happened is that  Blizzard/ Activision believes that enforcing their EULA and keeping public channels free of such talk would cause them to lose more subs than people who are tired of seeing it. I have decided to vote with my dollar and unsub. I am currently playing EVE Online and waiting on SWTOR. I hope to see all of the people who are tired of the filth that has become WoW there too.

 If no one else said it yet, CAN I HAVE YOUR STUFF?

Yes, but its on Malfurion Horde

Originally posted by paroxysm

Originally posted by Bravnik

When you cater your game to children you get children. It's that simple. WOW got more subs by going casual friendly but it also ruined the game for me. My last straw was WOTLK as it simply made the entire game (raiding included) so dumbed down a caveman could do it.

Yes, but they also treat everyone like unintelligent children.  Then, they expect customers to not act like how they are treated.  Honestly, Blizzard itself acts like a group a children as well.  Infallable, egostistical, spoiled, children.

Who take 100 years to release the same three games over and over again.