In EQ2, Mentoring is the most amazing thing that could happen in the game.. being able to be a chosen fellowship members level in a split second while you get 95% less XP from everything the person you are mentoring gets a 5% XP bonus.

The mentoring player keeps all spells and attacks and armor that he can use at a high level making them a superpowered low level player for the sake of more groups at lower levels and more help from high level players without a penalty...(the base morale and power is taht of a lower level player of course.. making them still vulnerable)

Should we ask for such a thing in LOTRO? It's a great game mechanic and it would help the player base in many ways... so would you want it?

LOTRO is the same but spruced up engine of AC2 which came BEFORE WoW.. all of the game mechanics and UI settings were already there for LOTRO  - it was not inspired by WoW in any way only continued on the path of AC2 due to WoWs success 

anyone with a brain knows it

Kyleran how can you admit AC2 did it first and then go on to saying how WoWs gameplay was revolutionary? get a clue, AC2 was first, admitting that ends the conversation

Out of those choices you need to play EQ2

Fair enough.. I still think they are just trying to milk us for as much as we will allow.. other than that I have nothing more to say

Yea you have me pegged... buy games to whine about how much I bought them for while I am in game...wow

and yea I'll go play azngrinder because they are free when I said nothing about mmo's being free...wow

you are in your own little world .. it is so pathetic!

Your simplistic responses shows me you have nothing real to say.. you respond with insults that have nothing to do with anything I've said and I don't think you've ever counter pointed what I've said either

So I've come to the conclusion that your IQ is wayyy too small for this message board and you should just go back to your special MMO in which you have so much fun spending your retirement check on

You and people who are like you are the reason they might get away with it - idiocy is their target market for a $20 price point.. congrats.. you made the cut!

Originally posted by popinjay

no Druz,

I wouldnt tell you or anyone what to spend your money on. You earned it, its yours. Buy whatever you like.
Thanks

But know this, there are people like you, who sit around like now, whining about:
I'm assuming this is just a weak jab since you have no real point and none of this is true

"WHY dont developers make us some good games? These are shit."
I don't remember ever saying that and even assuming I did... 15 a month is MORE than enough to make a good game.. do you know why? Because the game is already out! It's already been paid for! If the game is bad it's not because we didn't pay him enough it's because the developers have no talent in making games. There are many amazing games that are in fact free

"WHY did the game end too fast? It was fun! Make another!"
I don't remember saying this either - a game that comes to mind is portal, very short game... can be finished in 2 hours but it was an amazing 2 hours and I never thought it wasn't enough.. what does this have to do with MMO's? Again, assumign someone said this whats wrong with it? The dev's would be happy to make another I don't see the problem here

"WHY do I have to pay more for this game? Its just so-so, even though I maxed out 2 characters, maxed crafting, played over 200+hrs. I paid my 50 bucks for the box. The sub should be free. It doesnt cost your company anything after you make it."
Uh what? Why do you make up your own arguements so that you can reply to them instead of replying to what I have said? Stop filling your posts with fluff

I dont work, nor want to, in the gaming industry. Too many whiners want things perfect (like me: I want a perfect game) and when it doesnt go right, whiners say they want their money back.Or, this design sucks, its not what I had in mind when you were making it. Please make it over to fix MY idea of fun.
Sorry we're not all whiners like you, thanks for the stereotype

I am a realist however, I know that no amount of "dont raise the price" whining will keep the game at a certain level. Doesnt matter if I say I wont pay this or this. So, I say, make a great game, ill pay even MORE than what it cost you to make. Thats because if its great, theres value for me. Its worth my $30 a month. I think its a steal actually if it answers all my gaming needs. But if the game is just so-so, I have a limit. I dont care how "free" a asian MMO is, Ill never play those again. Theres no value for me. They suck bad. So free or cheap isnt always good. Sometimes paying a fair price is not a bad thing.

You are not a realist - and whining about PRICE will not keep the game at a certain level. Like I said earlier your WHOLE logic is flawed... for some self rightous reason you feel the need to pay more for good games instead of forcing them to make good games with the millions of dollars they get ALREADY. You are also using free asian MMOs as an example to what you get for free.. well if you can't figure out whats wrong with that reasoning then you should stop talking because it is beyond obvious

And since you dont work in the gaming industry, thats not up to you to say whats fair. Even people who dont PLAY mmos (my wife) thinks $20-30 a month isnt bad. (she doesnt like the time spent on them however) But compared to everything else that entertainment, its a bargain, even if you dont see it that way. A lot of gamers think these games are such good value, they keep two and THREE subs going sometimes.
You could not be more wrong here, since I don't work in the gaming industry it IS in fact for me to say whats fair as the CONSUMER, 15 dollars a month is my limit.. and it is many other peoples limit as well.. they can raise it to 30 dollars if they think it's smart- instead of getting 1k subscribers at 15 a piece they will get 250 subscribers(one of them is you) at 30 a piece, you tell me which price makes more money.

A lot of gamers think they are such good value they keep two or three subs going? Are you seriously this naive? People don't get fun x3 when they buy 3 subscribtions at a time.. when people do this it is to have a train of their alts running around leveling with each other instead of looking for groups.. If people have the means to waste that much money to be anti social then good for them - but its reasoning does not go beyond that.

Thats why I dont mind a price hike on a good game. Now, would I pay $30/month for SWG? Hell no. 25/mo for Eq2? Kiss my ass. $20 for Perfect World asian grinder? Kiss it twice.

Im saying, they make a good game, Ill pay. You dont have to. Dont. Go to the movies, take a date and spend twice that. Itll probably be good for you to get out of the house anyways.

Yes, another weak jab at me because you've made no points what so ever -  good luck with that mid life crisis when a few years from now you're sitting home when all the MMO's are 30 a month and you realize you've shot yourself in the foot

Twice in a row you have failed to use real logic.. I think I should've picked someone with a brain to argue against

The whole basis of your comparison is a joke popinjay.. stop comparing the prices of other activities to an MMO.

Yes MMO's are "cheaper" when it comes to price but it doesn't matter.. an MMO is an MMO.. they only cost a monthly fee because of server upkeep and a live staff that needs to be paid for.. which by the way ARE paid in full

there is not one thing you can tell me that would justify an increase to 20 a month.. what you and others are passing off as reasons to pay that much are totally full of shit - Yes.. all of us that are opposed to an increase in monthly billing drive jaguars and only have 1 sip of our starbucks coffee before throwing it away. How did you know? How blind must you be to think the price will stop at 20 dollars once it gets there? You probably intend to work in the industry.(atleast that would be the only SMART reason you want a price increase)

So you're going to tell me we SHOULD pay 20 because you can play this MMO for a whole month? Wow! Bowling costs 10 dollars and it only lasts 2 hours! What a steal that MMO pricing must be!

Any game on ANY system has the same price system wide (except for budget titles) An RPG thats 20 hours long costs the SAME AMOUNT as an RPG thats 40 hours long.. they don't double the price just because you  POTENTIALLY get more out of it than other games. So you can't justify it by the amount of time you MIGHT spend playing it compared to other things... it is irrelavant!

If it's true that they need to pay the cost to keep the servers up? It would be covered in the $15/mo and has plenty of money left over.. even an increase in hardware costs would be covered and you would still be able to pay the devs the same amount if not more depending on how the game does.(and that's as far as the dev's defense goes)

20 a month does not mean an increase in productivity of any kind.. they would receive more money simply by getting more subscribers aka an incentive to have a good game... 20 a month means they want more for less and not the other way around... they are going to continue to raise the price and continue to milk their players for all they're worth because retards like you see nothing wrong with having a monthly bill the size of a car payment in which you'll say "Do you play the MMO more than you drive your car? I think so! Price it accordingly"
See how that works? ok now come up with a real reason we should pay 20 a month.. I'll be waiting

Torak don't ever tell anyone you can't do half the content solo in Asheron's Call... 95% of the content has ALWAYS been soloable so get a clue before you group it with FFXI LOTRO L2 and EVE

Originally posted by sandage

Originally posted by Sornin

[quote]Originally posted by Kayless
Oh and btw, less of the sweeping generalisations please, I'm a founder and a lifetime subscriber who's still playing Sornin [/b][/quote]

Learn to read...at least more closely.

I never said all founders were not playing anymore, I said my estimates excluded founders who no longer play. A founder not playing, in my opinion, should no longer count as a subscriber for the purposes of establishing the size of a player base.

That is why I also fairly noted at the bottom that Turbine made a lot of money up front, because of those founders. Smart business move, as I bet a lot of people who did plunk down the $200 will not play a year straight, and probably never a year total. Of course, some will, like yourself.

If people spent a little more time reading and less time trying to burn others, they would not need to pry their feet from their mouths so often.

It does not make any sence to what your saying, people that have liftime subs and are no longer playing sould not be counted as subs? Man those are the one that Turbine made the most profit from, ofcourse those sould be counted as subs, as well as the active lifetime subs, man 300$ for a lifetime sub sould be counted as a sub no mather what happens! even if thay are not playing at the current time.

It's 200 for lifetime sub

And OF COURSE they should be counted.. the main reason that 99% of the lifetime subbers had for doing it in the first place was the fact that they could stop playing for any amount of time and come back later without any extra fee

I like your posts ninja, hopefully in the future for an expansion Turbine changes their mind and tries to expand in the ways you suggest.

Sadly if all of those changes were put in it would look even more like WoW - maybe Turbine will find an alternative

Originally posted by Chieftan

Originally posted by Druz

Originally posted by Chieftan

 

Originally posted by Druz

Originally posted by Chieftan

If Everquest 2 was comparable to WoW it would have comparable numbers.  I've seen EQ2 ads on every videogame website so the visibility is there.  People do try it but they don't get into it like they do WoW.

What sites are you talking about? The only site I've seen a EQ2 ad on is MMORPG.com and I HIGHLY doubt the majority of WoW players even visit game sites.

Oh and you actually need a decent computer for EQ2

 

You just walked into this one.

Last year Starcraft 2 was announced in Korea.  It was not on the evening news.  The only way I knew about it was from gaming sites running the story.

A week later, Starcraft Battlechest lands on the top ten PC games sales charts.  A game that's nearly 10 years old. 

All that just from a sequel announcement being on the front page of some gaming sites on the web, the same place you can find EQ2 ads pretty regularly.

What top 10 PC games sales charts? Isn't the battlechest 10 dollars? Who in the world hasn't heard of starcraft?

Whats your point? I know what point you're attempting to make but Starcraft 2's announcement was spread throughout the world on word of mouth and it having MAJOR attention on any website even remotely related to gaming also helped..

You're trying to parallel EQ2's little ads on some websites with the explosion that was starcraft 2, a hiiiiiighly anticipated sequal to a game that is more popular throughout the world than wow is now

Sorry but it doesn't fit, try again

 

StarCraft Makes Retail Comeback

Jun 04, 2007 at 3:15 PM - eval(unescape('%64%6f%63%75%6d%65%6e%74%2e%77%72%69%74%65%28%27%3c%61%20%68%72%65%66%3d%22%6d%61%69%6c%74%6f%3a%6e%65%77%73%40%76%65%33%64%2e%63%6f%6d%3f%73%75%62%6a%65%63%74%3d%4e%65%77%73%25%32%30%53%75%62%6d%69%73%73%69%6f%6e%22%20%3e%52%6f%62%65%72%74%20%26%71%75%6f%74%3b%41%70%61%63%68%65%26%71%75%6f%74%3b%20%48%6f%77%61%72%74%68%3c%2f%61%3e%27%29%3b'))Robert "Apache" Howarth - 0 Comments StarCraft makes its big retail comeback in this week's top-10 best selling PC games list for the week of May 20-26th! Heck, I might buy a copy of the Battlechest myself later.

1) World Of Warcraft - Vivendi - $18
2) World Of Warcraft: Burning Crusade Expansion Pack - Vivendi - $39
3) Command & Conquer 3: Tiberium Wars - Electronic Arts - $49
4) The Sims 2 Seasons Expansion Pack - Electronic Arts - $30
5) Starcraft: Battle Chest - Vivendi - $19
6) Lord of the Rings Online: Shadows Of Angmar - Midway - $49
7) The Sims 2 Deluxe - Electronic Arts - $40
8) The Sims 2 Celebration Stuff Expansion Pack - Electronic Arts - $16
9) Warcraft III Battle Chest - Vivendi - $39
10) Battlefield 2142 - Electronic Arts - $36

And I hope you didn't overpay for your copy of EQ2.  You can buy it for $19 all over the net.

 

That "word of mouth" thing of yours made me laugh.  Is that what everybody was talking about at work the next day?  Where do you work anyway?  McDonald's or KFC?

Wow I had a funny feeling that you read articles from that assclown apache haha so where is the official sales list? Quoting that tool isn't proof of anything

Yes "word of mouth" somehow means the same as "watercooler chat" to you... if thats the case then do YOU work at mcdonalds or KFC? 

So let me spell this out since you have trouble doing it.. you're saying that SC2 wasn't all over the internet a minute after it was announced? You compare ads on gamer only sites to a gaming phenomenon like Starcraft? haha where the hell is your point? You need to rethink your approach, because you made the biggest mistake when you compared those 2 games.. pretending that SC2 was a small announcement that ONLY the same demographic as those that see eq2 ads is a crime against anyone with a brain.. please stop


oh and point out where I can find all of the expansions for 19 dollars "all over the net"

Originally posted by Chieftan

 

Originally posted by Druz

Originally posted by Chieftan

If Everquest 2 was comparable to WoW it would have comparable numbers.  I've seen EQ2 ads on every videogame website so the visibility is there.  People do try it but they don't get into it like they do WoW.

What sites are you talking about? The only site I've seen a EQ2 ad on is MMORPG.com and I HIGHLY doubt the majority of WoW players even visit game sites.

Oh and you actually need a decent computer for EQ2

 

You just walked into this one.

Last year Starcraft 2 was announced in Korea.  It was not on the evening news.  The only way I knew about it was from gaming sites running the story.

A week later, Starcraft Battlechest lands on the top ten PC games sales charts.  A game that's nearly 10 years old. 

All that just from a sequel announcement being on the front page of some gaming sites on the web, the same place you can find EQ2 ads pretty regularly.

What top 10 PC games sales charts? Isn't the battlechest 10 dollars? Who in the world hasn't heard of starcraft?

Whats your point? I know what point you're attempting to make but Starcraft 2's announcement was spread throughout the world on word of mouth and it having MAJOR attention on any website even remotely related to gaming also helped..

You're trying to parallel EQ2's little ads on some websites with the explosion that was starcraft 2, a hiiiiiighly anticipated sequal to a game that is more popular throughout the world than wow is now

Sorry but it doesn't fit, try again

Originally posted by D4rv3n

Yea, I have a high-end rig too, but I heard that u can't run in on high in trial? Is it true?

 

D4rv3n!

It's true, you can only access high res textures when you use the retail CD and download the high res texture pack - even if you download the pack the trial will not let you use it

Originally posted by Chieftan

If Everquest 2 was comparable to WoW it would have comparable numbers.  I've seen EQ2 ads on every videogame website so the visibility is there.  People do try it but they don't get into it like they do WoW.

What sites are you talking about? The only site I've seen a EQ2 ad on is MMORPG.com and I HIGHLY doubt the majority of WoW players even visit game sites.

Oh and you actually need a decent computer for EQ2

The game is huge, I suggest setting it to download overnight and checking it out tomorrow

It won't take quite that long maybe 8 hours max

I have NEVER ever heard of anything like this happening to anyone.. and it happening to more than one character of yours doesn't make any sense what-so-ever

Very very odd if it did actually happen

I miss it, could've used a lot of improvements which no doubt they would've had by now - it was closed far too soon

Originally posted by MaelstromWAR

I tried the trial play the fae and disliked it just for the reason that I was a fairy, is there another trial that isnt play the fae ?

 

In the Play the Fae trial all you had to do was make 1 fae and then create another character afterwards which could be any race