Originally posted by Naqaj

Too subversive for an internet forum. The people who'd need to get the message aren't going to get it, and those who do already know and will only give snarky comments.

You get a + for effort though.

This guy gets it.

The things that made this game have such a good reception are going to be the things that bring this game down.

Streamlined wow is great for wow because the game has been out for years. People played through the tough parts when you had to read quests, leveling took time, etc. etc. MMO's are only going to be successful when you can gain an attachment to your character and the world you are in.

This game is on par with cataclysm as far as the questing and leveling system but the problem herein lies that WOW is not in the growth stage, it's int he retention stage.

This game will last, but its NOTHING special, nor will it ever be.

Recommended System Specifications
Operating system: Windows XP, Vista, or 7
Processor: Core 2 Duo 2.2 GHz or better
Memory: 4 GB
Hard disk space: 15.0 GB available
Desktop Video: Nvidia GTS 250 or better
Notebook Video: Nvidia GTX 200M series or better
Sound: DirectX 8.1 compliant card
DirectX®: 9.0c, June 2010 update
Broadband internet connection (DSL, cable modem, or other high speed connection)

Are these system specs good enough to run the game at full settings? The videos I've seen make this game out to be quite pretty graphically and these specs seem pretty weak. Heard from a friend that they coding was really great and it runs well on weaker systems but I wanted to hear from the masses. Recently had a total computer meltdown, not looking to spend outrageous amounts on rebuilding and i'm aiming for a target.

So... how's the game run?

Please put *SPOILER* tags in your title and in your paragraphs prior to the spoiler. I'm not upset as I just kept on reading through not really thinking, but some people might care. Thanks for taking your time to make these forums a better place.

Been away from wow for a while and limited on my internet until this saturday, getting ready for cataclysm and trying to get an idea of where i'll be heading.

So I know what I'll be playing for worgen (lock) and if anyone wants to throw any info out on how locks are looking pre-cataclysm i'd appreciate it.

However my true question is this. I've got 3 classes sitting at 80.. sham, pally, mage. I'm a dps'er, I like to dps, hit things hard, wreck face, etc......and I'm trying to decide which one of these will be my go to class from 80-85

So... what is the current state of these classes, how are things looking for the future (after release.. if we know anything) etc.?

you can be competitive and not be a fuck ass fail retard, it's all about common courtesy.

I'm sorry you think being a douche canoe is acceptable but the simple fact is that people only act like this because of the anonymity the internet provides.

Just because you can get away with being a fuckwad doesnt mean you should act like one, especially since most of the people that are acting this way are wrong in the first place.

If i mess up and get some criticism, rough or not, I'll take it.

The larger problem lies with the community that is SHIT for the express purpose of being shit. People on LOL are douche bags because they can be, not because it's warranted (yes there are times in life where it is). And its not just a few people, it's most of them.

Played just about every major MMO to hit the market. A ton of non-major MMO's. FPS, etc. Been online gaming since MUDS. 360, PS2, Dreamcast, PC.... etc. etc..

This game has by far and without a shadow of a doubt... the worst community I have ever seen. Chat rarely amounts to nothing more than baseless filth spewed from the mouths of people claiming that you are a "kid" when they themselves most likely are less mature than your average middle school child. If you die, do bad, have an off day/game, or do anything other than perfection then you will be berated to shit... since one side loses every match... well you get the picture there.

So then you hop over to the LOL forums. I actually read a 3 page post that was almost exclusively people saying that this was "not just a game". Just about every post affirms this sentement. Someone posted a lore post on general (the most appropriate place) and got voted right off due to the need to bitch, moan, complain, and berate other people.

I'm sorry but MMO's need to understand that community is an important factor of their games and that they are gonna be the ones left holding the bag when things got out of hand.

The game really is a "Decent' game, but if community matters at all to you, stay away from this title. The community here is pure filth.

So with any MMO with a grouping system things start to get cloudy when time becomes a concern.

Now the general opinon for a long time has been "play how you want to play and too bad for someone else if they dont like it"

Of course with random grouping becoming more and more prolific with MMO's this can no longer continue to be the issue. It's no longer a group of people inconveniencing someone else by telling them to play differently. It's 1 person screwing over a bunch of people because that person is playing innefficiently.

MMO's are no longer a niche for a sliver of the gaming population. They are as diverse and populated as normal society and thus societal rules should apply. If you arent going to be a contributing member then prepare to be homeless. I shouldnt be forced to group with you if you arent going to be worth the time.

Discuss, and remember that video games are a free time luxury, dinner time, school, etc. are not acceptable reasons to ditch a group, you should've planned around this.

In short: OP violated TOS, got banned without warning (which is NOT required) and got butthurt about it.

Yeah, it sucks dude, but they are in their right. Besides, you are kinda being immature about this.

Jesus, 30 minute matches that are decided within 5 minutes. Yes I know there is the exception, sometimes you can turn the tide of battle. I dont really count the 1/100 matches that this happens as significant to matter.

Why the hell does anyone want to play a 30-40 minute match where you know you will lose within 5 minutes of the start?

I'm not even trying to blindly bash the game here either. This really is the only part I think I dont like about it. I'm honestly trying to figure out what the hell is so appealing about that.

I had completely forgotten about that till I read this post. I remember thinking, "SE listened to their players all through XI, XI was really good but had some weaknesses keeping it from being great. I bet there's a good chance they'll get it right with XIV"

Now everything I have seen, heard, and experienced in beta tells me they got it dead on. I hvae long since learned to be exciteable about MMO's, but I have to say that I can hardly contain myself over this game. Do I expect it to be the same feeling of immersing in my original MMO (AC).... No I don't. But i expect to have a lot of fun with this game.

Originally posted by splitcold

Is this game one big grind?

Leveling in this game is one big grind.

This game is a more traditional MMO where it's more about just being in the game world and being immersed. Not power leveling yourself to max level, getting leet gear, then sitting around in the capital city blathering on about whatever waiting for queues to pop.

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by Povey151

Originally posted by Gabby-air

I can't tell if your being sarcastic or not, but anyways in my opinion its still quite slow. But the problem isn't that it's slow, its the fact that it isn't very engaging...its just pressing a button till you have enough points to use a skill, use it, rinse and repeat which bundles with the slow combat kills fun for me. But keep in mind we are still playing/seeing low lvl characters at this moment with not much in terms of skills, so who knows it might change later.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPNaNMBEs8s

 

Combat isnt any slower here than it is in any other MMO on the market.

Pushing a button over and over again till you can use a skill... sounds a lot like just about every other MMO on the market

This video is still early in the game and while it may not be "lightning fast" it is by no means slow and in no way encompasses all that the game will have to offer for players.

I think that the part which makes it look slow and unresponsive is when they all run up to the mob, stop, unsheathe their weapons and then attack. The combat itself is fine at this point but the part before the combat is what makes it slow.

Also, should I expect to kill farm animals, birds and some jellyfish looking things for most of the game?

The game, as it also did in XI, works off a "conbat" or "not combat" status. They simply didnt engage the creature and go to combat mode earlier. Most likely because the creature wasn't agressive. Having played both I would say its just a feature of the mechanic and something that will make more sense when you use the mechanic. It's different when the creature is agressive and will require a fight.

No, don't expect to kill farm animals the whole time. However you did admittedly do it some in XI.

Originally posted by Gabby-air

I can't tell if your being sarcastic or not, but anyways in my opinion its still quite slow. But the problem isn't that it's slow, its the fact that it isn't very engaging...its just pressing a button till you have enough points to use a skill, use it, rinse and repeat which bundles with the slow combat kills fun for me. But keep in mind we are still playing/seeing low lvl characters at this moment with not much in terms of skills, so who knows it might change later.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPNaNMBEs8s

Combat isnt any slower here than it is in any other MMO on the market.

Pushing a button over and over again till you can use a skill... sounds a lot like just about every other MMO on the market

This video is still early in the game and while it may not be "lightning fast" it is by no means slow and in no way encompasses all that the game will have to offer for players.

good, don't play, go away.

You are most likely one of those people that would contribute to the degradation of the community of the game anways.

You aren't wanted... /shoo

Combat looks fun, engaging, and like it will be quite tactical later.

It doesnt look bad, slow, or poor.

YAY OPINIONS!

No sarcasm,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPNaNMBEs8s

combat looks just as fast as any other MMO on the market in this video.

Originally posted by Terikan3

Originally posted by Raxeon

Originally posted by Swanea

I guess going from the movement of a snail to molasses is a big improvement...

 he wasnt attacking as fast as he could anyf aster they might as well make it and action mmo

are you really saying that would be bad?  really?  I fire off a fireball every 1.8 seconds on my level 11 WoW mage (trial account ftw), and at least I have the excuse that I am preparing a cast in between.  In other words, I'm never just standing there like in this sad sad game.  Is WoW an action mmo?  Of course not. 

Why are you guys defending this crap IN EVERY TOPIC.  Do you really support bad gameplay design?  Do you really want mmo's to be BORING?  I just don't understand what the agenda is with this constant defensiveness towards the ultra slow combat.

Maybe because most of the crap you are saying is your OPINION and one that we don't share?

Personally, I dont find the combat to be boring or all that slow. But then again I'm not 14 and I don't need instant gratification to enjoy my life. Have fun playing wow, we don't care that you don't want it, really... i promise you. Bitch all you want, but we arent defending "bad, slow, poor" combat, we are defending "fun, and strategic" combat. See... it's an opinion....

God I can't wait to get away from the community in so many of the current and popular MMO's

It seems like the genre just keeps deteriorating but the great thing about ffxi was that it's play style was so different that it weeded out most of the tools.

All these people complaining about keyboard, about jumping, about it being asian, about whatever.... good... don't like it, stay away. I don't want you in my game anyways. FFXI has shown that this formula will work, will be successful, and will most likely have a fantastic community (as that game does/did).

So, here's too looking forward to a game with a community more representative of the original MMO community, ya know... the one that didnt suck...

/CHEERS!

Originally posted by skeaser

Originally posted by Panther2103

I don't think it will end up hurting the sales for the PS3 at all. There aren't too many people who are willing to go out and spend 350 dollars for FFXIV, when they could probably just spend that much upgrading their computer a tad and get similar framerate / graphic settings.
 

Doubtful. If the benchmark is any indication my i7 @ 3GHz, 6GB DDR3, and dual GTX260s will only run the game on medium/low. The PS3 will probably be the cheaper route for a lot of people.

 a 200 dollar gpu upgrade will have you running it on high with no issues at all....

I think this needs to start applying to all video games in general.

60 Dollars is too much for the quality of games that has been releasing lately. Sure there are plenty that are worth it, but it's not like it used to be. I hate that feeling you get when you buy a brand new game and realize it's junk... its like... gee, glad I just threw 40 dollars away

Luckily with this I've had my test drive.