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Originally posted by h0urg1ass

Teala, you have ceased to be a legitimate poster on these forums in my eyes.

It's absolutely sickening, SICKENING, to watch you repeatedly stick up for the human piece of trash known as Erotica 1.

Period.

Well, I'm not going anywhere...  :)

Originally posted by lizardbones
Originally posted by Teala

So I am dumbfounded, why was the thread I started locked without an explanation?  Because I have a differing opinion on this whole mess?

I have a few points I would like to make though on this whole subject.

1)  Sohkar that guy that was scammed(that everyone feels sorry for) had fallen for this scam before, not once, not twice, but three times!

2) This was his conscious choice to participate.  Nobody twisted his arm.  Nobody "forced him".   He had the opportunity to disengage from the scam game at any time...any time.   He chose to continue..."he" played along.   That was "his" choice.   To say otherwise means you think he is incapable of making a judgement call and absolve him of any wrong doing in this manner.

3) The person behind Erotica1 violated no rule in the Eula when performing the scam - none.   If you think they did, point out which one.

4)  The only person that violated the Eula actually was the person that was scammed.  He violated it on multiple occasions.   They used racial attacks.  They threatened a person with bodily harm.  They threatened a persons family member with death.  All these violated the terms of EVE's Eula.  

5) It is now known that the CSM that started this by writing his article has a personal issue with the player Erotica1.   This is now in the open.   They started this whole mess for one reason.  To get a player banned.  

Who got banned?  Erotica 1

So tell me, where is the justice in that? 

 

The thread you started was probably something that could have simply been posted in the original thread.

1)  What difference does that make?  If scamming is bad, then scamming is bad.  It doesn't matter how many times it's used on one individual.  However, in Eve, scamming isn't bad.  It's a cultural norm.  This is a moo point.  Like a cow's opinion.

2)  See #1.

3)  See #1

4)  Perhaps the people who reviewed the case thought differently.  Perhaps they know that given time you can push anyone into behavior they wouldn't normally engage in.

5) They may have a personal issue with the player, but it's the company, CCP, that ultimately controls whether a player gets banned.  It doesn't matter if it started with a single CSM.

 

Why would justice have anything to do with this?  I mean, really.  Erotica 1 is making the game look bad.  That is the only reason they need.  Perhaps Erotica 1 was too successful at scamming people, and made too many people angry.  There is such a thing as not actually breaking the rules, but still going too far.  I've watched players see how close they can get to the line without crossing it just to see how much they could get away with.  They wanted to test the game mods and developers, and that doesn't always go well.  Sounds like that's what Erotica 1 did.

 

If they actually got banned. 

 

Well, since you kept saying "see #1" and just agreeing that scamming in EVE is the norm and part of it's culture...what is the big stink about then?  And don't go off on the tangent that they guy was tortured...that is pure hogwash.   See #2!

Well, if you can't see the injustice here, I really can't help you.

Originally posted by cheyane

Erotica1 is not banned it was another scam to get people to buy shares. Some ponzi scheme. They are trying to get people to invest ISK in that james315 guy.


The scam is not against the rules but what happened where they humiliated him crossed the line. I think Sohkar also did not break any rules since what he said was also in that private chat which was later publicized. He did not do it in game. So if what Erotica did was not in game then why should what Sohkar said the racial slurs and death threats outside of the game in private and without him knowing or consenting publicized be a violation of the EULA. It should apply equally to both Erotica1 and Sohkar.


What they put him through and his speech impediment thing was really low . Terrible thing to do. The scam was nothing no one cares about that it was the subsequent thing that was quite horrible. If you cannot understand that or empathize you're a lost cause.

Acutally, Erotica's Bonus room is in game, and just because the chat was in TS, doesn't mean they are not in game...they were all playing the game when this occurred.  They used the in game browser and the games tools to pull up songs, and written info...like the dictionary stuff.    You can't trade or give things to people out of game.  So everything took place in game.  

Originally posted by sugarbear78664
Teala you are really starting to sound as you are Erotica 1 or you have a personel relationship with Erotica 1. I can agree with you that the person that got scammed has some blame. But, in all your threads I have read, You make it sound as Erotica 1 did nothing wrong. If Erotica 1 did nothing wrong in the rules of the game... thats one point. But as a human being this scam should be sicking to me, you and others. I wont debate, most peoples conscience would never let them do this to another person.

Nope, I do not feel sorry for the so called victim, not one bit.   Sorry to burst everyone's bubble.  He willingly participated in this.   He chose to do it.  Nobody twisted his arm at all.   His greed made him do it.   It really is that simple and I am dumbstruck that anyone thinks differently.   In fact lets absolve the guy of any wrong doing...let's just remove his own responsibility from this...it is all Erotica 1's fault.  

Greed of a player is what made the person that got scammed do this.   Greed.

I don't give a damn about what occurred after.  The player of Sohkar is a grown adult.   Are you telling me they are not capable of making a sound judgment?  That he couldn't just sign off from the game at any time and stop participating once they they had been scammed?   So where do you draw the line on personal responsibility for ones own actions?   Seriously.   I do not understand some of you people at all.  

You know why Sohkar didn't stop - GREED.

So let's blame Erotica 1 because this player was greedy.  Yep...it's all Erotica 1's fault.

 

Am I Erotica 1.  Nope.   Don't even know the player behind the character.  

Do I like scammers?  Nope...don't  care for the lot at all.  In fact all my EVE toons have the scammers that frequent Jita and other trade hubs blocked.

Do I think what Erotica one did was mean...well if asking someone to sing a song is mean or to recite a few lines of some make believe in game corp charter is mean then this world is a really screwed up place.

What I find reprehensible is the behavior of the guy that was scammed.   That is abhorrent!

 

Originally posted by Vallista
I didn't get a chance to do the beta.  Since I got the 5 day head start, I'm was excited to make a black nord but its ok, I guess the Red guard will do.    I'm not freaking out but didn't know.  

I was a little disappointed on this as well.   I generally play a character of dark skin, and it really annoyed me that I was confined to either a Redguard or a Dark Elf.   :(

So I am dumbfounded, why was the thread I started locked without an explanation?  Because I have a differing opinion on this whole mess?

I have a few points I would like to make though on this whole subject.

1)  Sohkar that guy that was scammed(that everyone feels sorry for) had fallen for this scam before, not once, not twice, but three times!

2) This was his conscious choice to participate.  Nobody twisted his arm.  Nobody "forced him".   He had the opportunity to disengage from the scam game at any time...any time.   He chose to continue..."he" played along.   That was "his" choice.   To say otherwise means you think he is incapable of making a judgement call and absolve him of any wrong doing in this manner.

3) The person behind Erotica1 violated no rule in the Eula when performing the scam - none.   If you think they did, point out which one.

4)  The only person that violated the Eula actually was the person that was scammed.  He violated it on multiple occasions.   They used racial attacks.  They threatened a person with bodily harm.  They threatened a persons family member with death.  All these violated the terms of EVE's Eula.  

5) It is now known that the CSM that started this by writing his article has a personal issue with the player Erotica1.   This is now in the open.   They started this whole mess for one reason.  To get a player banned.  

Who got banned?  Erotica 1

So tell me, where is the justice in that? 

Originally posted by Akerbeltz
Originally posted by Zalmon
Originally posted by Akerbeltz
Originally posted by Bigdaddyx
Yeah yeah..when everything else fails hide behind 'its just a game' excuse. 

 

Oh yeah, because we are in front of a drama only comparable to domestic violence, Guantamo tortures or school bullying.

 

All this matter is of such triviality that boggles my mind to no-end the hysteria, hyperbole and fetish hate against EVE shown by the hollow drama queens here. It's in fact as trivial as:

 

- Erotica 1, one of the most popular scammers, information about him all over the EVE chats/forums and the internet.

- Sohkar had used Erotica 1's services previously. The latter had effectively doubled the former's investments.

- Sohkar did bite again when Erotica 1 selected him for the Bonus Round, an alleged unique opportunity to 5x his investments. Sohkar was greedy and consented.

- So Sohkar passed a huge amount of assets over to Erotica 1, just like that. The latter then told Sohkar to read funny stuff and sing songs. Sohkar had faith and consented to this.

- Sohkar got tired, lost control and went into a psychopathic display full of racial slurs, obscenities and real-life threats.

- Jester Trek, who has personal interest and personal animosity towards Erotica 1, writes a sensationalistic article on his blog. 

- Sohkar calmed down, got conscious of the scene he had made and apologized.

 

Keep on with the witch-hunting you tabloid feeders.

Better than being a bottom feeder.

And i don't think you understand the term 'witch hunting'. The actions and behaviour of the guy is on display for everyone to witness. There is no need for witch hunting in this case.

Yes it was Sohkar's own fault that he got scammed. But what you and others keep ignoring is that it isn't just about scam. Try to separate the two issues here and you might be able to understand what actually caused people to get angry.

Or...don't and continue with your one sided defense rants. 

I am done either way because i am actually physically repulsed by this.

Correct, it's about a guy getting scammed and ridiculed by a bunch of bastards because he consciously got into it.

 

He wasn't cornered or isolated, he wasn't forced into that decision, he could have logged off at any moment when the reading started. He didn't do so, he even neglected his wife.

 

The reaction of the sensationalistic crowd here is basically a tale of immaturity and not accepting nor respecting  responsibility for one's actions. You are gonna make mistakes and come across bastards, scammers and evil people in all aspects of life. From your workplace, to a game of poker, to an EVE session.

 

Personally, I believe that the ones that accept the above, deal with it and try to learn, tend to be better people and have more moral integrity. The rest tend to be hypocrite man-children  with double-edge morals that blame others for one's mistakes and who have an inclination towards paternalistic/totalitarian political regimes, all the while taking advantage of others' disgraces to promote their personal/political agendas.

  With this...I'm going to go blast the hell out of mine enemies in the skies over WWII Europe!  

BTW here is a really cool War Thunder Video I made - seriously...its cool.   Enjoy the carnage!

B17's Over Berlin!  Be sure to watch in HD...it's awesome!
Originally posted by AzurePrower
Originally posted by Teala
Originally posted by Raven322
Originally posted by Teala
Originally posted by Raven322
Originally posted by Teala

For those that were so upset and irrational about the scamming incident that recently came to light, from a blog post >>> here: Jester Treck.  Turns out that Sohkar, the guy that got scammed says that everything is cool...that he realized he made a stupid mistake and fell for it...then went on to apologize for his behavior...admitting he was tired and "just lost his cool" over being scammed and was more upset with himself that he had done such a stupid thing.      He says he was no "victim" of torture or anything of the sort and he wishes people would stop saying that.

He never wished this to be made into such a big deal...turns out this article was made by an EVE CSM that has an issue with a few players in EVE and he figured if he wrote about this incident he would garner people to his cause.   Sohkar was never a part of it...this CSM did it on his own accord without Sohkar's concent.  Well it now seems to have backfired and people are requesting that the CSM be removed.    Funny that.

Sohkar by they way managed to get back up on his feet, in game, in a couple of days after the incident- when he made 300m ISK from a salvage job.

If you think I am BS'n you and this is all made up...you can hear a live chat on Twitch TV right now between Sohkar and Erotica1. 

Live Twitch Chat Happening now.

I'm struggling to understand your reasoning behind wanting to defend and assist these scumbags.

It's a natural human response to traumatic incidents to downplay them and want it to just go away. Ask any woman who has been assaulted. These guys are pure bred 100% scumbags and their behaviour is the lowest possible denominator we have. Condoning this is beyond belief.

Crowing that in fact the guy who blew the whistle on this behaviour may himself be in trouble over this places you exactly amongst these guys as scum. Are you sure you want to identify yourself publically as such?

Hehehe...it's a game for Titus Flavius sake...stop making more of this than what it is..seriously.    Some of you are such drama queens.  

This particular set of behaviours has nothing to do with a game. It is emotional torture. It is depraved. Kids play 'games' all the time that we adults actually call 'bullying'. Bullying behaviour can result in things like suicide.

If someone goes through this and then kills themselves, is it still a game to you?

So...are you saying that games shouldn't be played by mentally unstable people?

That's pretty cold.

 

That's just as bad as saying minority groups shouldn't be playing games because people might harass them with racial/bigotry slurs.

 

Can you not see what you are saying is morally wrong?

Huh?  Are you equating me to saying that I am some how discriminating against a group of people because "I" posed the question to someone else?

Originally posted by Solar_Prophet

By your logic, men beating their wives is perfectly acceptable if she says "It was no big deal, just a game, I'm fine, haha!", and drops any domestic violence charges.

The fact that you would even defend this type of behavior and the people who engage in it speaks volumes as to the quality of your character, just as CCP's tolerance of this kind of  garbage does of theirs. As such, I'm not going to waste my time addressing you further.

Well, so...I asked you once before, should we ban football? [mod edit]

Originally posted by Fly666monkey
Originally posted by Teala
Originally posted by Bigdaddyx
Originally posted by Teala
Originally posted by Bigdaddyx
Originally posted by Teala
Originally posted by Raven322
Originally posted by Teala

For those that were so upset and irrational about the scamming incident that recently came to light, from a blog post >>> here: Jester Treck.  Turns out that Sohkar, the guy that got scammed says that everything is cool...that he realized he made a stupid mistake and fell for it...then went on to apologize for his behavior...admitting he was tired and "just lost his cool" over being scammed and was more upset with himself that he had done such a stupid thing.      He says he was no "victim" of torture or anything of the sort and he wishes people would stop saying that.

He never wished this to be made into such a big deal...turns out this article was made by an EVE CSM that has an issue with a few players in EVE and he figured if he wrote about this incident he would garner people to his cause.   Sohkar was never a part of it...this CSM did it on his own accord without Sohkar's concent.  Well it now seems to have backfired and people are requesting that the CSM be removed.    Funny that.

Sohkar by they way managed to get back up on his feet, in game, in a couple of days after the incident- when he made 300m ISK from a salvage job.

If you think I am BS'n you and this is all made up...you can hear a live chat on Twitch TV right now between Sohkar and Erotica1. 

Live Twitch Chat Happening now.

I'm struggling to understand your reasoning behind wanting to defend and assist these scumbags.

It's a natural human response to traumatic incidents to downplay them and want it to just go away. Ask any woman who has been assaulted. These guys are pure bred 100% scumbags and their behaviour is the lowest possible denominator we have. Condoning this is beyond belief.

Crowing that in fact the guy who blew the whistle on this behaviour may himself be in trouble over this places you exactly amongst these guys as scum. Are you sure you want to identify yourself publically as such?

Hehehe...it's a game for Titus Flavius sake...stop making more of this than what it is..seriously.    Some of you are such drama queens.  

Yeah yeah..when everything else fails hide behind 'its just a game' excuse. 

Yes, because things that happen in EVE effects the "real" world and Universe.     ::rolls here eyes::

Yeah ofcourse because those are not real human beings you are interacting with right? because its internet so one can be a complete douche and  say whatever he or she wants. 

Keep digging that hole deeper..soon you won't be able to climb out of it.

If that is truly how you feel about games, maybe you shouldn't play them.   I mean, seriously...you and some others must really be a sad lot if games effect you that much.   So how often do you go all raging when you die in a game - all the time or just once in awhile?

So because it's "Just a game," we should ignore the fact that these guys bullied a man, who probably had no idea what he was getting in to, to the point of borderline psychological torture? It's all in good fun and shouldn't be taken seriously, right?

You are a complete scumbag! How do you sleep at night!?

lol...very soundly, thank you. 

 

Do you people read what you write? 

Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by Teala
 

If that is truly how you feel about games, maybe you shouldn't play them.   I mean, seriously...you and some others must really be a sad lot if games effect you that much.   So how often to you go all raging when you die in a game - all the time or just once in awhile?

What's hilarious is people are talking about how things like this can have an effect on people in really real ways, yet here you are still beating your chest like it's some form of forum PVP.  Again Victim or not is irrelevant it's the behavior that's a problem, left unchecked this kind of behavior can lead to terrible things, it's more or less a fact of life in this day and age. Are you blind to that or just extremely stubborn for nothing more than the sake of forum image?

OMG...yes, scamming people in the game if EVE will lead to a life of crime and who knows what else in the real world.    I think Iceland needs to shut down CCP and close EVE down now before something terrible happens!  Who knows what twisted deprived things will happen to gamers minds if they play EVE!

 

Originally posted by Bigdaddyx
Originally posted by Teala
 

Oh thank you for trying to demonize me now and make stuff up.   Where did I ever, in all this time say that my stance is that he deserves to be laughed at and mocked?  

Oh so you repeatedly telling me that he is stupid and he deserved it was just my imagination?

Yes...you imagined I said he deserved it.   Please go read and then post that I said he deserved it.   I said he was stupid for falling for the scam.     That's all I ever said.   Are you saying he wasn't stupid for falling for it? 

Originally posted by Bigdaddyx
Originally posted by Teala
Originally posted by Bigdaddyx
Originally posted by Teala
Originally posted by Raven322
Originally posted by Teala

For those that were so upset and irrational about the scamming incident that recently came to light, from a blog post >>> here: Jester Treck.  Turns out that Sohkar, the guy that got scammed says that everything is cool...that he realized he made a stupid mistake and fell for it...then went on to apologize for his behavior...admitting he was tired and "just lost his cool" over being scammed and was more upset with himself that he had done such a stupid thing.      He says he was no "victim" of torture or anything of the sort and he wishes people would stop saying that.

He never wished this to be made into such a big deal...turns out this article was made by an EVE CSM that has an issue with a few players in EVE and he figured if he wrote about this incident he would garner people to his cause.   Sohkar was never a part of it...this CSM did it on his own accord without Sohkar's concent.  Well it now seems to have backfired and people are requesting that the CSM be removed.    Funny that.

Sohkar by they way managed to get back up on his feet, in game, in a couple of days after the incident- when he made 300m ISK from a salvage job.

If you think I am BS'n you and this is all made up...you can hear a live chat on Twitch TV right now between Sohkar and Erotica1. 

Live Twitch Chat Happening now.

I'm struggling to understand your reasoning behind wanting to defend and assist these scumbags.

It's a natural human response to traumatic incidents to downplay them and want it to just go away. Ask any woman who has been assaulted. These guys are pure bred 100% scumbags and their behaviour is the lowest possible denominator we have. Condoning this is beyond belief.

Crowing that in fact the guy who blew the whistle on this behaviour may himself be in trouble over this places you exactly amongst these guys as scum. Are you sure you want to identify yourself publically as such?

Hehehe...it's a game for Titus Flavius sake...stop making more of this than what it is..seriously.    Some of you are such drama queens.  

Yeah yeah..when everything else fails hide behind 'its just a game' excuse. 

Yes, because things that happen in EVE effects the "real" world and Universe.     ::rolls here eyes::

Yeah ofcourse because those are not real human beings you are interacting with right? because its internet so one can be a complete douche and  say whatever he or she wants. 

Keep digging that hole deeper..soon you won't be able to climb out of it.

If that is truly how you feel about games, maybe you shouldn't play them.   I mean, seriously...you and some others must really be a sad lot if games effect you that much.   So how often do you go all raging when you die in a game - all the time or just once in awhile?

Originally posted by Raven322
Originally posted by Teala
Originally posted by Raven322
Originally posted by Teala
Originally posted by Raven322
Originally posted by Teala

For those that were so upset and irrational about the scamming incident that recently came to light, from a blog post >>> here: Jester Treck.  Turns out that Sohkar, the guy that got scammed says that everything is cool...that he realized he made a stupid mistake and fell for it...then went on to apologize for his behavior...admitting he was tired and "just lost his cool" over being scammed and was more upset with himself that he had done such a stupid thing.      He says he was no "victim" of torture or anything of the sort and he wishes people would stop saying that.

He never wished this to be made into such a big deal...turns out this article was made by an EVE CSM that has an issue with a few players in EVE and he figured if he wrote about this incident he would garner people to his cause.   Sohkar was never a part of it...this CSM did it on his own accord without Sohkar's concent.  Well it now seems to have backfired and people are requesting that the CSM be removed.    Funny that.

Sohkar by they way managed to get back up on his feet, in game, in a couple of days after the incident- when he made 300m ISK from a salvage job.

If you think I am BS'n you and this is all made up...you can hear a live chat on Twitch TV right now between Sohkar and Erotica1. 

Live Twitch Chat Happening now.

I'm struggling to understand your reasoning behind wanting to defend and assist these scumbags.

It's a natural human response to traumatic incidents to downplay them and want it to just go away. Ask any woman who has been assaulted. These guys are pure bred 100% scumbags and their behaviour is the lowest possible denominator we have. Condoning this is beyond belief.

Crowing that in fact the guy who blew the whistle on this behaviour may himself be in trouble over this places you exactly amongst these guys as scum. Are you sure you want to identify yourself publically as such?

Hehehe...it's a game for Titus Flavius sake...stop making more of this than what it is..seriously.    Some of you are such drama queens.  

This particular set of behaviours has nothing to do with a game. It is emotional torture. It is depraved. Kids play 'games' all the time that we adults actually call 'bullying'. Bullying behaviour can result in things like suicide.

If someone goes through this and then kills themselves, is it still a game to you?

So...are you saying that games shouldn't be played by mentally unstable people?

No I am saying human beings should not treat each other this way. In your previous comment you mentioned games don't affect real life.

Ask all the women beaten by their drunk husbands after their football team loses if games affect real life.

Your inability to realise that these kinds of actions can absolutely have very very real consequences in the 'real' world shows just how out of touch with others you really are. People have emotions, games affect those emotions. Those emotions are carried over into the 'real' world. Often with 'real' consequences.

Your little buddies have no idea whether their victim is unstable or not. They cannot control that. What the can control is the entire scenario that sets someone off. To knowingly do it, is at best, 'bullying' and at worst, which this case most certainly is, 'actual torture'.

I'm now done replying to you, you're clearly quite immature and incapable of seeing this situation beyond your lens of 'I like this game' therefore no-one else should criticise it as it might impinge on me. It's selfish, but hopefully you will one day grow up and recognise this behaviour for what it is.

 

What an irrational and unequivocal line of discombobulated garbage if I ever heard it.   I'm out of touch with reality because I'm not willing to call the guy that got scammed a victim...he doesn't even see himself as a victim as you all would like everyone to believe.   He said himself he made a stupid mistake...and that he put himself in  the situation.   Yet that isn't good enough for you.  He has repeatedly said to stop calling him a victim...he is no victim.

As for your borked up analogy...if you're that worried about games doing bad things to people - maybe you should start a crusade to have them banned.  Games hurt people.   I mean crap...peoples teams lose a football game and they are going to go beat their wives - let's ban football!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Bigdaddyx
Originally posted by kaiser3282
Originally posted by Bigdaddyx
Originally posted by Teala
 

You have to go through a mental evaluation before you are allowed to be an air traffic controller.  If this guy has PTSD as bad as you seem to believe he has it...then you should be upset that this guy is putting other peoples lives in danger on a daily basis.    And that is in the real world - not some game. 

Selective reading for the win again. I tried to explain to you earlier that PTSD varies in degrees but yes every ex marine suffers from it. That doesn't mean they run around trying to harm other people. They are calm and mind their own business.I know those who have been working for years without an incident.

A lot of ex marines employed in various jobs choose to ignore this because of the social stigma attached to it.  Way too many judgmental people like you ready to jump on them. 

Lets forget about PTSD for a minute, any person would snap after 2 hours of mental harrasment.

I am sorry to say but even writing in caps couldn't get a simple point through your brain that it isn't just about scam but what happened after they scammed him.

But hey keep defending that scums actions not that you are going to get any support from my side. I already told you clearly what i think about people like him and those who defend his actions in any way or form.

 

Originally posted by Teala

So you know who Erotica 1 is, what they have done in their lives?  You know nothing about him...for all you know he is former military as well.  

 

 

You got to be kidding me. Do i really need to know anything more about this scum? wasn't this 2 hours of voice recording enough? no matter what he did in his life that doesn't change the fact that he is a horrible person.

I think you're completely missing the point. For all you know, Erotica could also be a marine. You're using the marine thing to try to defend the victim and make it look like it makes him somehow unique, and calling Erotica a coward, talking about laying down your lives, etc. What if Erotica were also a marine? Does that magically stop him from being a scumbag in your eyes? I mean, clearly being a marine excuses away the "victims" personal and psychological issues to you, so what if Erotica also had issues brought about by being in the military that caused him to enjoy doing such things to others? It's OK though, because he was in the military, right? That automatically makes him a brave and honorable person incapable of having any human flaws completely unrelated to the their experiences in the military right? I guess so, I mean we all know no "bad" people have ever served....

Its you who is missing the point i am afraid.

My stance ; No human being deserves humiliation of this kind.

Teala's stance ; He is stupid so he deserves to be mocked and laughed at.

That is the crux of argument here. Not that i am shocked or anything. World is full of insensitive herd mentality people who would enjoy and get amusement out of dehumanising of someone like him.

 

Oh thank you for trying to demonize me now and make stuff up.   Where did I ever, in all this time say that my stance is that he deserves to be laughed at and mocked?  

Originally posted by Bigdaddyx
Originally posted by Teala
Originally posted by Raven322
Originally posted by Teala

For those that were so upset and irrational about the scamming incident that recently came to light, from a blog post >>> here: Jester Treck.  Turns out that Sohkar, the guy that got scammed says that everything is cool...that he realized he made a stupid mistake and fell for it...then went on to apologize for his behavior...admitting he was tired and "just lost his cool" over being scammed and was more upset with himself that he had done such a stupid thing.      He says he was no "victim" of torture or anything of the sort and he wishes people would stop saying that.

He never wished this to be made into such a big deal...turns out this article was made by an EVE CSM that has an issue with a few players in EVE and he figured if he wrote about this incident he would garner people to his cause.   Sohkar was never a part of it...this CSM did it on his own accord without Sohkar's concent.  Well it now seems to have backfired and people are requesting that the CSM be removed.    Funny that.

Sohkar by they way managed to get back up on his feet, in game, in a couple of days after the incident- when he made 300m ISK from a salvage job.

If you think I am BS'n you and this is all made up...you can hear a live chat on Twitch TV right now between Sohkar and Erotica1. 

Live Twitch Chat Happening now.

I'm struggling to understand your reasoning behind wanting to defend and assist these scumbags.

It's a natural human response to traumatic incidents to downplay them and want it to just go away. Ask any woman who has been assaulted. These guys are pure bred 100% scumbags and their behaviour is the lowest possible denominator we have. Condoning this is beyond belief.

Crowing that in fact the guy who blew the whistle on this behaviour may himself be in trouble over this places you exactly amongst these guys as scum. Are you sure you want to identify yourself publically as such?

Hehehe...it's a game for Titus Flavius sake...stop making more of this than what it is..seriously.    

[mod edit]

Yeah yeah..when everything else fails hide behind 'its just a game' excuse. 

[mod edit]

Originally posted by Raven322
Originally posted by Teala

For those that were so upset and irrational about the scamming incident that recently came to light, from a blog post >>> here: Jester Treck.  Turns out that Sohkar, the guy that got scammed says that everything is cool...that he realized he made a stupid mistake and fell for it...then went on to apologize for his behavior...admitting he was tired and "just lost his cool" over being scammed and was more upset with himself that he had done such a stupid thing.      He says he was no "victim" of torture or anything of the sort and he wishes people would stop saying that.

He never wished this to be made into such a big deal...turns out this article was made by an EVE CSM that has an issue with a few players in EVE and he figured if he wrote about this incident he would garner people to his cause.   Sohkar was never a part of it...this CSM did it on his own accord without Sohkar's concent.  Well it now seems to have backfired and people are requesting that the CSM be removed.    Funny that.

Sohkar by they way managed to get back up on his feet, in game, in a couple of days after the incident- when he made 300m ISK from a salvage job.

If you think I am BS'n you and this is all made up...you can hear a live chat on Twitch TV right now between Sohkar and Erotica1. 

Live Twitch Chat Happening now.

I'm struggling to understand your reasoning behind wanting to defend and assist these scumbags.

It's a natural human response to traumatic incidents to downplay them and want it to just go away. Ask any woman who has been assaulted. These guys are pure bred 100% scumbags and their behaviour is the lowest possible denominator we have. Condoning this is beyond belief.

Crowing that in fact the guy who blew the whistle on this behaviour may himself be in trouble over this places you exactly amongst these guys as scum. Are you sure you want to identify yourself publically as such?

Hehehe...it's a game for Titus Flavius sake...stop making more of this than what it is..seriously.   [mod edit]

If you missed the live Twitch feed - here is the full recording.    Live Twitch Recording of Sohkar and Erotica1.

 

For those that were so upset and irrational about the scamming incident that recently came to light, from a blog post >>> here: Jester Treck.  Turns out that Sohkar, the guy that got scammed says that everything is cool...that he realized he made a stupid mistake and fell for it...then went on to apologize for his behavior...admitting he was tired and "just lost his cool" over being scammed and was more upset with himself that he had done such a stupid thing.      He says he was no "victim" of torture or anything of the sort and he wishes people would stop saying that.

He never wished this to be made into such a big deal...turns out this article was made by an EVE CSM that has an issue with a few players in EVE and he figured if he wrote about this incident he would garner people to his cause.   Sohkar was never a part of it...this CSM did it on his own accord without Sohkar's concent.  Well it now seems to have backfired and people are requesting that the CSM be removed.    Funny that.

Sohkar by they way managed to get back up on his feet, in game, in a couple of days after the incident- when he made 300m ISK from a salvage job.

If you think I am BS'n you and this is all made up...you can hear a live chat on Twitch TV right now between Sohkar and Erotica1. 

Live Twitch Chat Happening now.

Originally posted by Hazelle
Originally posted by Teala
Originally posted by Delerious1

Bad behaviour?  Like a guy that claims to be suffering from PTSD, and is in control of planes - planes that have real people on them - in the real world - this is A OK!  A guy that goes into a racial tirade is a good person?   I guy that threatens to come to a persons house to hurt them?  I guy that threatens your family members?   This is a good person?  Yes...rejoice and praise the goodness of the guy that got scammed - he is a frikking saint!

There is a HUGE difference between the actions and behavior of Erotica and the resultant outburst elicited from his methodical abuse.

That you point out the egregiously deceived and mentally abused victim's stress response in defense of the antagonist says a lot about your moral compass.

You can in no way condone the antagonist's behavior because of the victim's response.  The response was elicited on purpose and methodically brought to fruition.

 

Wait...what?  This so called victim allowed himself to get scammed.  End of story.  He freely participated in it of his own free will.   Stop making excuses for his actions and behavior.  He was greedy and stupid.   You can't candy coat this - it is exactly that.    

Also, this guy you are defending admits to having PTSD and is an air traffic controller in real life and he puts peoples lives in danger daily because of his problem and you think that is OK?  That is not  a game - that is real world.  

Did reasoning and common sense just get thrown away in the last couple of days? 

Very few of the people here that are known eve players seem to have a problem with the scam.

What we are saying is that the systematic humiliation of the player is not a valid part of eve's gameplay.

You appear to be allowing your emotions about the "victim's" racist rant to cloud your judgement of the tormentors.

Tormentors? 

Hehehe....please...all the guy had to do was sign off....like this....

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