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Originally posted by CatAtomic99
Well, look at this way. Every hour that douche spends playing EVE is an hour he isn't cheating some elderly old widow out of her Social Security check.

Now that is just dumb...I suppose next you'll be saying that everyone that plays a an FPS game is actually a real killer and thank the game developers for making FPS games to keep them from shooting people in real life - right?

Originally posted by Delerious1

This Erotica person may not have broken any of the rules or codes of conduct within CCP's guidelines, but he has violated basic morality and ethical conduct with regard to a fellow human being.  You can try to blame the victim all you want, but in the end Erotica's behavior was unethical, and downright cruel, regardless of the naivety of the victim.

Some very basic rules of morality:

1.  Are my actions good for me?  If yes, are they good for others?  Erotica violates this because his actions may have been good in his mind, but they were bad for the other person.

2.  What if everyone were to act the way I did to each other?  Not possible.  Erotica violates this.  If everyone preyed upon and purposely and cruelly toyed with other people in this manner, the world would be an even bigger fubar'd mess than it already is.  In fact we would not even be civilized to any extent.

3.   The general consensus with most people in any society is that this behavior is bad.

4.  This behavior could be considered objectively immoral.  Even in the state of nature this behavior would not be conducive, in the long run, to survival and coexistence with others.

And you can go on and on.

People do need to be aware.  Nobody should place themselves into the role of the victim.  That said, there are some things that are pretty much universally agreed upon as being good and bad, and Erotica's behavior would fall under the "bad" category in pretty much any society, tribe, or likely any species' ethical conduct as a whole on any inhabitable planet in the universe.  

Bad behaviour?  Like a guy that claims to be suffering from PTSD, and is in control of planes - planes that have real people on them - in the real world - this is A OK!  A guy that goes into a racial tirade is a good person?   I guy that threatens to come to a persons house to hurt them?  I guy that threatens your family members?   This is a good person?  Yes...rejoice and praise the goodness of the guy that got scammed - he is a frikking saint!

Originally posted by Bigdaddyx
Originally posted by Tarblood

The moment he mentioned he was marine and did two tours..that should have been enough to make them stop. That was a red flag right there. I haven't met one fellow marine yet who did not suffer from post traumatic disorder because it is very common. Its the degree that varies. So i don't need you or anyone else to tell me that he didn't have PTSD. 

I know what i am talking about and i don't need to make any excuses for him.

Amen to that, brother. This made me sick but even more so that it happened to a fellow Marine. Semper Fi. :(

I know brother its sickening really. We are the guys laying down our lives to protect people like Eroitc I.

But i know he is a coward... feels most secure when behind a computer screen.

 

So you know who Erotica 1 is, what they have done in their lives?  You know nothing about him...for all you know he is former military as well.  

Originally posted by Bigdaddyx
Originally posted by Teala
Originally posted by Bigdaddyx
Originally posted by Teala
Originally posted by Bigdaddyx
Originally posted by Rayshe

Being a EX Eve scammer, there are plenty of moments where common sense should sink in but it doesnt. The one i used all the time in the past was

 

"ill Double whatever money you give me" The victum would generally give me afew small amount at first to make sure i was legit, however would give in to greed sooner or later and drop a ton of ISK on me. To which i would just fly away.

 

We used to have corps join our alliance and we would arrange them liquidating their assets for us to build them better ships, and then we would just fly away with everything they owned.

 

Welcome to EVE, most scams are easy to avoid if you use some sense

And what is a person (like the victim in this incident) is incapable of using common sense for variety of reasons? is it still ok to scam and dehumanise that person even though you know he suffers from speech impediment, PTSD, anxiety and all other kind of mental and psychological issues?

If you see someone like that who is incapable of taking acre of himself is being harassed and laughed at in public..will you just walk by and ignore it or will you do something about it?  

Bad things happen because good people don't do anything about it. And anyone with a little heart would support this guy and try to help him out..i know i will.

Yes, now let's make it sound like the victim was mentally disabled.  He is, according to his own statement in the recording, an air traffic controller, do you think they let mentally disabled people do this job?  Seriously...stop trying to make excuses for the guy that got scammed.   He screwed up.  He was greedy.   He fell for a scam in a game that is well known for scamming.  Unless this guy was just a couple of hours old in game and never heard of EVE before, he might not know, but even then I find that hard to believe, especially since people are ragging on scammers in trade hub locals constantly and warning others to not fall for the scams.  

As I said in a previous post, this guy knew it was a potential scam going into it...go listen to the recording.   He knows he has fallen for their little scam and yet he continues to play along.   Nobody is torturing him and forcing him to continue - except his own greed.  

Then, listen to him in the last few minutes of this recording.   He starts going off on a racist tirade, cussing, threatening people.   This is the kind of person you want to defend?   I don't care if he is ex-military...there is no excuse for that type of behavior.   Do I feel sorry for him?  No...he is suppose to be an adult.  He is playing a game made for adults.   He is making choices. 

As for your comment, bad things happen because good people don't do anything about it.   This guys own greed and stupidity put him into this situation...not good people.  He did this to himself.   

You don't have to be mentally disabled to be incapable of making sound mind decision. Any kind of anxiety and PTSD disorder is enough. People like him suffer from sever mood swings and can easily harm themselves and others. On top of that he suffers from speech impediment. (which i am sure he didn't have from birth. I have seen a lot of marines developing this problem).

But that doesn't mean he is incapable of doing his job. What kind of decent human being would enjoy the misery and de humanisation of such an individual? do you know the amount of mental tolls it takes on a person when he tours Iraq?i know because i did one tour myself and that was enough for me to put a bullet in my brain after the things i saw. And he did it twice.

Yes he went on racists rant and got abusive but that was after almost 2 hours of mental harrasement (he even apologised for it). Erotic 1 knew the kind of person he is dealing with but he continued to enjoy it. I will write in cap for you... IT IS NOT JUST ABOUT SCAMMING. Its about laughing and enjoying at cost of suffering of a fellow human being. 

You are incapable of understanding the deeper issues i am afraid. Stick to complaining and ranting about video games in your blog. That is what you do best.

Don't give me this, he has PTSD and unstable and is an air traffic controller...you can't be an air traffic controller and have those types of issues - it isn't allowed - period.

https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/classification-qualifications/general-schedule-qualification-standards/2100/air-traffic-control-series-2152/

Psychiatric

No established medical history or clinical diagnosis of any of the following:

  1. A psychosis;
  2. A neurosis; or
  3. Any personality or mental disorder that clearly demonstrates a potential hazard to safety in the air traffic control system. Determinations will be based on medical case history (including past, social, and occupational adjustment) supported by clinical psychologists and board-certified psychiatrists, including such psychological tests as may be required as part of medical evaluation.
PTSD falls into catogory 3.   Look it up.
 
Stop making excuses for this guy.  He messed up.   He fell for the scam and he did it because he was greedy.    

Yes because i am sure he wrote in caps that he suffers from PTSD on his resume. Most of the ex marines do not even get proper treatment or support and thus mostly go un noticed. You don't know and i don't know under what circumstances he got that job. And people with PTSD are fully capable of doing their jobs.&

I bet no one harasses him for 2 hours continuously at his job so that he snaps like he did while in game.

The moment he mentioned he was marine and did two tours..that should have been enough to make them stop. That was a red flag right there. I haven't met one fellow marine yet who did not suffer from post traumatic disorder because it is very common. Its the degree that varies. So i don't need you or anyone else to tell me that he didn't have PTSD. 

I know what i am talking about and i don't need to make any excuses for him.

You have to go through a mental evaluation before you are allowed to be an air traffic controller.  If this guy has PTSD as bad as you seem to believe he has it...then you should be upset that this guy is putting other peoples lives in danger on a daily basis.    And that is in the real world - not some game. 

Originally posted by zzax

I dont even understand what happened there. Why would he give all of his in game assets to some random people?

Because he was told by them that he could get 4 times the amount back if he did.   It is a common scam in EVE.   You send a scammer X amount of money, they promise to double, triple, and even quadruple it.  Some scams have you play a game in order to win.   But make no mistake...it is a scam.   You will not win.    Why do people fall for it...greed + stupidity. 

Originally posted by Bigdaddyx
Originally posted by Teala
Originally posted by Bigdaddyx
Originally posted by Rayshe

Being a EX Eve scammer, there are plenty of moments where common sense should sink in but it doesnt. The one i used all the time in the past was

 

"ill Double whatever money you give me" The victum would generally give me afew small amount at first to make sure i was legit, however would give in to greed sooner or later and drop a ton of ISK on me. To which i would just fly away.

 

We used to have corps join our alliance and we would arrange them liquidating their assets for us to build them better ships, and then we would just fly away with everything they owned.

 

Welcome to EVE, most scams are easy to avoid if you use some sense

And what is a person (like the victim in this incident) is incapable of using common sense for variety of reasons? is it still ok to scam and dehumanise that person even though you know he suffers from speech impediment, PTSD, anxiety and all other kind of mental and psychological issues?

If you see someone like that who is incapable of taking acre of himself is being harassed and laughed at in public..will you just walk by and ignore it or will you do something about it?  

Bad things happen because good people don't do anything about it. And anyone with a little heart would support this guy and try to help him out..i know i will.

Yes, now let's make it sound like the victim was mentally disabled.  He is, according to his own statement in the recording, an air traffic controller, do you think they let mentally disabled people do this job?  Seriously...stop trying to make excuses for the guy that got scammed.   He screwed up.  He was greedy.   He fell for a scam in a game that is well known for scamming.  Unless this guy was just a couple of hours old in game and never heard of EVE before, he might not know, but even then I find that hard to believe, especially since people are ragging on scammers in trade hub locals constantly and warning others to not fall for the scams.  

As I said in a previous post, this guy knew it was a potential scam going into it...go listen to the recording.   He knows he has fallen for their little scam and yet he continues to play along.   Nobody is torturing him and forcing him to continue - except his own greed.  

Then, listen to him in the last few minutes of this recording.   He starts going off on a racist tirade, cussing, threatening people.   This is the kind of person you want to defend?   I don't care if he is ex-military...there is no excuse for that type of behavior.   Do I feel sorry for him?  No...he is suppose to be an adult.  He is playing a game made for adults.   He is making choices. 

As for your comment, bad things happen because good people don't do anything about it.   This guys own greed and stupidity put him into this situation...not good people.  He did this to himself.   

You don't have to be mentally disabled to be incapable of making sound mind decision. Any kind of anxiety and PTSD disorder is enough. People like him suffer from sever mood swings and can easily harm themselves and others. On top of that he suffers from speech impediment. (which i am sure he didn't have from birth. I have seen a lot of marines developing this problem).

But that doesn't mean he is incapable of doing his job. What kind of decent human being would enjoy the misery and de humanisation of such an individual? do you know the amount of mental tolls it takes on a person when he tours Iraq?i know because i did one tour myself and that was enough for me to put a bullet in my brain after the things i saw. And he did it twice.

Yes he went on racists rant and got abusive but that was after almost 2 hours of mental harrasement (he even apologised for it). Erotic 1 knew the kind of person he is dealing with but he continued to enjoy it. I will write in cap for you... IT IS NOT JUST ABOUT SCAMMING. Its about laughing and enjoying at cost of suffering of a fellow human being. 

You are incapable of understanding the deeper issues i am afraid. Stick to complaining and ranting about video games in your blog. That is what you do best.

Don't give me this, he has PTSD and unstable and is an air traffic controller...you can't be an air traffic controller and have those types of issues - it isn't allowed - period.

https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/classification-qualifications/general-schedule-qualification-standards/2100/air-traffic-control-series-2152/

Psychiatric

No established medical history or clinical diagnosis of any of the following:

  1. A psychosis;
  2. A neurosis; or
  3. Any personality or mental disorder that clearly demonstrates a potential hazard to safety in the air traffic control system. Determinations will be based on medical case history (including past, social, and occupational adjustment) supported by clinical psychologists and board-certified psychiatrists, including such psychological tests as may be required as part of medical evaluation.
PTSD falls into catogory 3.   Look it up.
 
Stop making excuses for this guy.  He messed up.   He fell for the scam and he did it because he was greedy.    
Originally posted by Bigdaddyx
Originally posted by Rayshe

Being a EX Eve scammer, there are plenty of moments where common sense should sink in but it doesnt. The one i used all the time in the past was

 

"ill Double whatever money you give me" The victum would generally give me afew small amount at first to make sure i was legit, however would give in to greed sooner or later and drop a ton of ISK on me. To which i would just fly away.

 

We used to have corps join our alliance and we would arrange them liquidating their assets for us to build them better ships, and then we would just fly away with everything they owned.

 

Welcome to EVE, most scams are easy to avoid if you use some sense

And what is a person (like the victim in this incident) is incapable of using common sense for variety of reasons? is it still ok to scam and dehumanise that person even though you know he suffers from speech impediment, PTSD, anxiety and all other kind of mental and psychological issues?

If you see someone like that who is incapable of taking acre of himself is being harassed and laughed at in public..will you just walk by and ignore it or will you do something about it?  

Bad things happen because good people don't do anything about it. And anyone with a little heart would support this guy and try to help him out..i know i will.

Yes, now let's make it sound like the victim was mentally disabled.  He is, according to his own statement in the recording, an air traffic controller, do you think they let mentally disabled people do this job?  Seriously...stop trying to make excuses for the guy that got scammed.   He screwed up.  He was greedy.   He fell for a scam in a game that is well known for scamming.  Unless this guy was just a couple of hours old in game and never heard of EVE before, he might not know, but even then I find that hard to believe, especially since people are ragging on scammers in trade hub locals constantly and warning others to not fall for the scams.  

As I said in a previous post, this guy knew it was a potential scam going into it...go listen to the recording.   He knows he has fallen for their little scam and yet he continues to play along.   Nobody is torturing him and forcing him to continue - except his own greed.  

Then, listen to him in the last few minutes of this recording.   He starts going off on a racist tirade, cussing, threatening people.   This is the kind of person you want to defend?   I don't care if he is ex-military...there is no excuse for that type of behavior.   Do I feel sorry for him?  No...he is suppose to be an adult.  He is playing a game made for adults.   He is making choices. 

As for your comment, bad things happen because good people don't do anything about it.   This guys own greed and stupidity put him into this situation...not good people.  He did this to himself.   

Why is everyone coming down on this...this is EVE, it's a part of it.   What I don't understand is just how someone could be so naive when it is said repeatedly over an over again in local chat in Jita and all the other main trade hubs - don't fall for scams!  Anyone that actually thinks that someone is just going to double your ISK - because they say they will...don't play EVE - you're the reason things like this happen - you're gullible and lack good judgment.   The guy that fell for this scam I do not feel sorry for one bit.   It's like people that believe in God and hand over cash to churches - it's a scam.   If the God of a church is so powerful, what does a church or religion have need of money for - why doesn't your God just provide for it's needs - he is suppose to be all mighty and powerful - or are you not capable of good judgement to understand this - hmmmm?  

Oh and don't try to tell me I'm just as bad as the scammers that did this because I don't feel sorry for this guy...that guy at one point actually knew he had been scammed and yet "he allowed" them to continue on.   All he had to do was stop.   So more than once this person showed bad judgement.   In fact he did it 4 times.   So no, I don't feel bad for this person.   And his language toward the end of the sound clip...that is inexcusable. 

Originally posted by Zalmon

I cant believe some of the mental replies in this topic. Too many paranoid people.

And facebook acquiring Occulus won't hinder its application in video games, it just means that now its applications will be more widespread.

Yeah, probably as long as you use Facebook.

@ ,

See, it's not only that Facebook is basically a big machine that is used to gather and sell information - it is also a machine used for social engineering.    That is why facebook dictates to the masses what is good, what is bad.   They love to control.    They love to also market crap to you - all the time.    Did you know that there are websites that now require you to have a facebook sub in order to even make comments on them?   That means if you don't have a facebook account...well touch luck.   Google does this with Youtube and their stupid Google+ that nobody frikking wants.   Imagine what Facebook will now want?   I don't want Facebook in my gaming - at all!  Period...end of story.

I think this says what you can expect.

Originally posted by Laughing-man
Originally posted by Teala

Umm..dude, Facebook sells your information to the US government...it was just in the news.   Also, it does make the OR guys sell outs.  It means they give up creative control on what OR will be used for primarily, and if Zuckerburg has his way it will also mean that owners of the Oculus Rift in the future will most likely require a facebook sub.   Don't believe me....Google bought Youtube...couple of years later, Youtube now requires you to have a Google+ account to even comment on Youtube!   No conspiracy stuff going on here...that is the reality of it.   OR selling out to Facebook means Facebook will be in control of it....and that means integration into Facebook whether you want it or not.

It's not spying, you signed an agreement?

What do you have to hide?

Honestly?

 

Edit:  No no, you're right, they should have fought the government tooth and nail until they threatened to shut down facebook, which then forced them to comply.

If you think google, or verizon, or apple, aren't also giving away your info freely to the government then you would be incorrect.

I don't use Facebook...and I really wish I didn't have to use Twitter.    As for Google...Google has almost become the Internet.   They are in everything.  

Originally posted by Skuall
lol whats the deal with facebook? are buying everything or what? they just bought whatsapp , now Occulus? D:

Facebook is slowly dying...that is the purpose of these key purchases, to save Zuckerburgs spying app.    These two key things will just reinforce his strangle hold on his information gathering tool. 

Originally posted by Laughing-man
Originally posted by DocBrody

Damn sell out company, first they play the friendly "we are different" indies on Kickstarter, then they sell out to this NSA spying platfform Crapbook.

 

Traitors. I am disgusted. Shame on you, Oculus.

They didn't sell out, they didn't betray anyone, please calm down and read the article, I think once you do that you will be a lot happier.

'NSA spying platform crapbook'?   What?

I'm at a complete loss as to how you could arrive at these conclusions.

Umm..dude, Facebook sells your information to the US government...it was just in the news.   Also, it does make the OR guys sell outs.  It means they give up creative control on what OR will be used for primarily, and if Zuckerburg has his way it will also mean that owners of the Oculus Rift in the future will most likely require a facebook sub.   Don't believe me....Google bought Youtube...couple of years later, Youtube now requires you to have a Google+ account to even comment on Youtube!   No conspiracy stuff going on here...that is the reality of it.   OR selling out to Facebook means Facebook will be in control of it....and that means integration into Facebook whether you want it or not.

Originally posted by Knotwood
Originally posted by Knotwood

Almost everyone I see posted here, completely forgot about Elder Scrolls Single Player base that will be playing this game.   Their 20 million single player base is the market of target here with the PVE.   It has already won over the PVE fans in MMO's.  The last group of players they are going after are PVP players in MMO's,  which are the hardest ones to please in any game.

 

I think almost everyone here has thought ONLY in numbers of MMO market.  Almost everyone here  has complelty ignored the console players, and their ES base fan single players.   The MMO market has 2-3 million for ESO to soak up.   The single players who are ES fans or bought skyrim amount to 2.8 million on the PC, and the Console ES fans or bought Skyrim total 17.2 million.   We also have to look at the fact of those skyrim fans we have 4.8 million who bought Oblivion as well.  

 

When you take into account ALL sources of customers for this game you have to have ALL factors of the equation:

 

ENTIRE MARKET OF ESO:

2-3 million MMO playerse looking for a new game. 

2.8 million PC ES fans who bought Skyrim.

17.2 million console ES fans who bought Skyrim.

The fact that 4.8 million Oblivion copies sold.

The fact that 4 million Marrowind copies sold.

X million of console MMO players (unknown since no MMORPG has came to them since Xbox and PS2)

X millions migrating to ESO from other gaems.

 

PLUS:

RETENTION RATE

How well the retention rate you think this company can sustain with its updates and content expansions.  Also considering its retention rate with its Single Player base as their first MMO ever.   MMO player retention +  ES fan player base retention.

 

PLUS:

ADVERTISMENT

Amount of global advertisement.  Will they run an advertisement campaign the size of WoW's with celebs, ect. world wide.

 

EQUALS:

10 million subs by the end of the year

 

 

/agree, I would like to see what other people come up with for totals after using this equation formula stated.  Lets see it!

Wait...what?  You responded to your own thread?   So how many accounts do you have with MMORPG.com?  Because it looks like you were thinking you were on a different account and responding to your own comment.    That is a bannable offense.   Wonder if the mods have seen this.

Originally posted by Knotwood
Originally posted by Teala
Originally posted by Knotwood
Originally posted by Hoodwyn
Originally posted by Knotwood

I can agree that a lot of players wont accept this title as of yet, but I got to be honest I never knew so many people would look those beta numbers and say less players would play then the amount of players in any game!

 

When was the last game you seen, where less people bought it then the number of players they had in beta?

Dude you need to get off the 5 million.

It was stated that 5 million beta accounts were created not 5 million beta tester played the game.

Comeback with concrete numbers on the amount that participated in beta then maybe your numbers might work.

how many people around here alone actually created more then one beta account, because I don't see 1 million people making 5 accounts around here.  Most beta testers are not die hards who want to get into Daily testing beta.  

100k people might be sadistic enough to want to be a daily beta tester and create 5 accounts to get in, but I don't see any more then that, and even that number is generous compared to other game betas.

Over the years on these forums, people like you have made some pretty wild predictions, but nobody has ever made anything as wild as this...seriously, you've topped them all.   I recall people claiming Aion would crush WoW,  Warhammer was suppose to bring in upwards of 5 million.   LoTRO, was suppose to bring in a minimum of 4 million.   SWToR was suppose to bring in 6 million according to a couple of users.   GW2 was suppose to be a WoW killer.  Same with Rift.   Now you come along with this prediciton and claim 5 million just to get started and by the end of the year 10 milllion?  Seriously?  

With the way this game is, and it having a sub fee...this game might sell 2 mil(I'll be surprised if it sells 3+ mil), but it's player retention will not even be anywhere near that.   They'll be lucky to maintain 500k subs after 6 months.   I'll give it maybe a year or a little after and it'll go free to play...and it'll be struggling to retain 350k players(if that!).   I've been playing these games for long enough time, and I am 99% correct on my predictions.   This, like many other themepark games with PvP as it's main driving force do not do well in NA markets.   SWToR, GW2, Aion and Warhammer tried to use PvP as a huge selling point - they all failed to do very well and nowhere near what people like you predicted.   

If anything, all you are doing is creating a negative effect and this will hurt the game more than help it...seen it, been there.  

I would have agreed with you in 2007.  But its not 2007 anymore,  up up until now, when a game that's worthy of single player gamers topped with the fact that we are living in a world that as become more global then ever,  we have seen schools across the nations teaching computer classes to students who are now turning 17-25.  We are starting to see the baby boomers of computers and of course adults now own consoles more then they have ever in the 80-90s.  We are seeing adult hobbies go from cars and other things to gaming.  We have such a wide and bigger diverse market now then ever before, and its going to get bigger as more and more students age.  Its almost mandatory that a kid learns computer skills now.  

So while I think your statement is correct, its correct only for 2007.   You will see my statement be more on line with the rise of instrest in MMO's and other gaming other then single player games.   You can hold me to that.

I won't hold you to it.  You're just deluding yourself.  You're hyped over a game.  Seen it before.  

Originally posted by Bannuk
Originally posted by Teala
Originally posted by Knotwood
Originally posted by Hoodwyn
Originally posted by Knotwood

 

 

 

...  I've been playing these games for long enough time, and I am 99% correct on my predictions.   ...  

  

99% correct huh?  Noob.  If you were a pro, you'd always be right.  So, since you're track record is less than perfect, there is no reason for anyone to give your opinions any weight now is there?  

Seriously though, that claim is just as far out in left field as the OPs. 

My prediction is actually based on knowledge, gained from over 18 years of being a part of the MMORPG community.   Yeah, I was playing these games like this when the Internet was made up of BBS's and we used dial-up to connect to servers.   I'm not pulling s@#t out of my arse - you can go right on and have your belief that this game will garner a bazillion players - but that is not reality.   This is a themepark game with PvP.  Just like all post WoW games, this to shall just be a weak imitation and Zenimax will be lucky if they have 350k players by this time next year.

Originally posted by Knotwood
Originally posted by Alber_gamer
Originally posted by Teala
Originally posted by Knotwood
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by Knotwood

Turbine has *never* released sub #s for LOTRO   (part of the perks of being a private mmo company)

Nielson ratings put them up there, and others have made charts with their yearly earnings on tax files.   That's pretty solid if you ask me, they even bragged about the neilson ratings themselves.

I agree Nielson counts as a measurement

but its difficult to compare with other mmos that are giving concrete sub #s

I don't think it has to compare to anything else, it just shows that at one time, that game was at the top for its day of release.  eventually technology gets better and so more new games came out and people were dying to see a new game like ESO come out, but what they got was GW2 and SWTOR.  So the MMO market right now needs a game like ESO, this will have the same impact on MMO's as the past when they were first released.  It will do something else, that hasent been done since wow also though. It will bring in new MMO players to the MMO world.  something people back in the day thought was impossible until they seen WoW's advertisement campaign worldwide.  ESO is very appealing to a skyrim and single player type of player and will do the same thing to the single player industry, which is massive, as WoW did for the MMO industry.  That's the viewpoint here.

Says who...you?  I seriously doubt this very much. 

Yeah, random people making random statisitc based on numbers pulled off their asses.

 

So here is my statistic:

 

I'm a die hard Elder Scrolls player, and won't be touching ESO with a ten meter pole. So in my own vast experience, 0% of the people who play Elder Scroll SP games will play ESO.

Then where do you think all these 5 million beta accounts are coming from?    Other MMO games?   I don't think even half of those players are MMO gamers, and think most of them are ES fans, why do you think after one year, the game is looking more and more like Skyrim,  why do you think they forced ESO to put in all the features  of skyrim like first person view ect.

I know lots of people that signed up multiple times for beta...I did, 5 times!  Got 3 invites.   To friends that didn't get into beta, I gave them my extra keys.   It is not uncommon for people that are into MMO's to sign up multiple times for a beta invite.  It increases their chances of getting in.  

Originally posted by Knotwood
Originally posted by Hoodwyn
Originally posted by Knotwood

I can agree that a lot of players wont accept this title as of yet, but I got to be honest I never knew so many people would look those beta numbers and say less players would play then the amount of players in any game!

 

When was the last game you seen, where less people bought it then the number of players they had in beta?

Dude you need to get off the 5 million.

It was stated that 5 million beta accounts were created not 5 million beta tester played the game.

Comeback with concrete numbers on the amount that participated in beta then maybe your numbers might work.

how many people around here alone actually created more then one beta account, because I don't see 1 million people making 5 accounts around here.  Most beta testers are not die hards who want to get into Daily testing beta.  

100k people might be sadistic enough to want to be a daily beta tester and create 5 accounts to get in, but I don't see any more then that, and even that number is generous compared to other game betas.

Over the years on these forums, people like you have made some pretty wild predictions, but nobody has ever made anything as wild as this...seriously, you've topped them all.   I recall people claiming Aion would crush WoW,  Warhammer was suppose to bring in upwards of 5 million.   LoTRO, was suppose to bring in a minimum of 4 million.   SWToR was suppose to bring in 6 million according to a couple of users.   GW2 was suppose to be a WoW killer.  Same with Rift.   Now you come along with this prediciton and claim 5 million just to get started and by the end of the year 10 milllion?  Seriously?  

With the way this game is, and it having a sub fee...this game might sell 2 mil(I'll be surprised if it sells 3+ mil), but it's player retention will not even be anywhere near that.   They'll be lucky to maintain 500k subs after 6 months.   I'll give it maybe a year or a little after and it'll go free to play...and it'll be struggling to retain 350k players(if that!).   I've been playing these games for long enough time, and I am 99% correct on my predictions.   This, like many other themepark games with PvP as it's main driving force do not do well in NA markets.   SWToR, GW2, Aion and Warhammer tried to use PvP as a huge selling point - they all failed to do very well and nowhere near what people like you predicted.   

If anything, all you are doing is creating a negative effect and this will hurt the game more than help it...seen it, been there.  

Originally posted by Knotwood
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by Knotwood

Turbine has *never* released sub #s for LOTRO   (part of the perks of being a private mmo company)

Nielson ratings put them up there, and others have made charts with their yearly earnings on tax files.   That's pretty solid if you ask me, they even bragged about the neilson ratings themselves.

I agree Nielson counts as a measurement

but its difficult to compare with other mmos that are giving concrete sub #s

I don't think it has to compare to anything else, it just shows that at one time, that game was at the top for its day of release.  eventually technology gets better and so more new games came out and people were dying to see a new game like ESO come out, but what they got was GW2 and SWTOR.  So the MMO market right now needs a game like ESO, this will have the same impact on MMO's as the past when they were first released.  It will do something else, that hasent been done since wow also though. It will bring in new MMO players to the MMO world.  something people back in the day thought was impossible until they seen WoW's advertisement campaign worldwide.  ESO is very appealing to a skyrim and single player type of player and will do the same thing to the single player industry, which is massive, as WoW did for the MMO industry.  That's the viewpoint here.

Says who...you?  I seriously doubt this very much. 

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