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Really.  You find not being able to interact with the environment as immersive.   
Originally posted by taus01
Originally posted by DarSepki
Originally posted by taus01
Originally posted by DarSepki

 

Please consider the following FACTS logically before posting further:

1. The victim has made a public post. In it, he tells people that he is at fault, and people should drop it.

2. The blogger, and elected community representative, has never spoken to the victim before or after he made his post publicly shunning the scammers. The victim's attempt to speak to this blogger have been ignored.

3. The blogger who started this now is refusing to speak to anyone who doesn't absolutely agree with his position. He has been openly rude against anyone who wants to bring up the 'side issues' that have been raised because of this.

 

 

You say that It does not matter if the victim thinks it was fine. It does not matter if the victim agreed to take part in it.

Let me ask you this:

  • Would it be fine to hit your spouse because she tells the police that she fell down the stairs and always comes bck to you?
  • Would it be ok to rape a woman because she dresses sexy and provokes it, while afterwards denying it happened.
  • Is it fine to kill someone because he asks you to do it.
  • Is it normal to speed up and run over a pedestrian because he knew what he was getting into when he crossed the street.

Guess what? That is not how it works and thank god there are not many people like you out there because then we would be truly F#$*@!

The law and morals also exists to protect those that can not or are not willing to protect themselves. Be that because they are mentally challenged, psychologically traumatized, scared or simply not aware what they got involved with.

Think about that before you continue to post more of your crazy thoughts.

 

None of your examples are not even close to what you THINK has happened here. You have escalated the situation to match what happened here to every other immoral act. So I will not answer them. But in the effort of matching your absurd argument I shall ask my own:

  • Do you think it is acceptable to escalate this argument into a physical confrontation? Or wish physical harm come to those who do not believe in your viewpoint? (There have been several examples of people who share your viewpoint who have crossed this line.)
  • Do you believe in a legal system based on due justice? (It's CCP they can do whatever they want or need. But as all your questions deal with outside of game this one applies)
  • Do you think it is OK dismiss other viewpoints because they hurt your feelings.
Your entire point is based on the fact that Erotic 1 has committed an immoral act. That has not yet been proven, certainly not within the case that involved Sohkar. If you understand the concepts and rules of the bonus room you wouldn't post with such hostility. Fact is you are only contributing to the anger and hate that has been spreading around because of this.

I have no idea why you try to deflect the real issue other than that you are truly oblivious to the fact that what was done by Erotica 1 was both morally wrong and judically wrong.

That is your opinion, not everyone agrees with it.  In fact I have found this story posted all over the Internet and most agree that Sohkar was the one that was out of line.   He chose to participate.  He could have stopped at any time.  Nothing you say can change that fact.    Nobody put a gun to his head or tied him to a chair.   There was no torture - and you really need to stop using  that word.   It was the furthest thing from torture.

A human being was taken to the breaking point for personal amusement and his family was dragged into it and made fun of. Erotica 1 then used the recordings to publicly shame the individual by posting them on a public website for only one purpose, to make fun of the individual and gain some form of respect amongst other similarly disturbed individuals.

He wasn't taken to no breaking point.   He finally realized, finally...that he had been scammed.   This wasn't his first time around the block in this game in regards to being scammed.    Erotica 1 had scammed him 2 times before.   So stop making excuses for poor little old Sohkar.

Erotica 1 showed no empathy towards the victim even after 2 hours of pointless psychological abuse and ridicule by not only making fun of his wife but also using the victims desperation and vulnerability to prolong the humiliation even further.

Pointless psychological abuse.  You really like to sensationalize this don't you.   Hello, are you Ripard Teg?

These actions are consistent with high functioning sociopaths. They present themselves as something they are not, they mimic feeling and use empathy to lure their prey.

So your a board certified psychiatrist?

It does not matter that Sohkar or any other victims in this so called "bonus room" have agreed to the rules or if they agreed to the recording or the public broadcast of them. It's of no consequence just like in the examples i gave in my last post.

Right, lets not hold people accountable for their own actions.   Instead, let's make it seem like they are incapable of making sound judgement calls - let's go further and make it sound like the player behind the keyboard has an IQ of less that 80.    But totally forget that this guy is an air traffic controller in real life.   That he is a grown adult, that has to make adult type decisions every day.   Let's just neglect all that.

It can also easily be demonstrated that not only psychological but also financial damage was done too, since the in game currency ISK is indirectly linked to real world currency via the buying and selling of so called PLEX inside and outside of the game.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but even CCP says items in game have no real world value.    Plus, everything in game is owned by CCP...go read the EULA.   You as a player own nothing in game.

PS: As for your deflecting questions. It also does not matter what other people have done before or after this. It does not matter what viewpoints someone has or what CCP thinks. No one is dismissing anything or has hurt feelings. It's irrelevant to the fact that what was done is wrong.

The only wrong that was done was a player(the guy that got scammed) broke EVE Online's EULA when he went into a rage and started tossing racial slurs around, threatening people with harm, and threatening peoples family members with harm   Those "are" clear violations of EVE's EULA.  

 

Originally posted by Carnicide
Originally posted by Teala

Just got this tweet a few minutes ago...is this for real?

I wish they would, then every dumb ass-cry baby-whiner would leave the site with their stupid post.

Now why post such ugly stuff?  This was suppose to be a fun post. 

Originally posted by BillMurphy
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
In their cash shop you can spend 5 bucks to ban a moderator for 24hr. Gona get fun around here

Definitely April Fool's Day folks. 

Well if they move to a sub fee, we should get beta offers to games they advertise here on the website automatically.

Just got this tweet a few minutes ago...is this for real?

Originally posted by Muke
Originally posted by Teala
Originally posted by Muke
Originally posted by Iylz
Star Citizen or Elite Dangerous - Don't waste your time with EVE.

Think th eplayer is looking for a MMO, not lobby based co-op Mplay space sims.

Actually Elite:Dangerous is an MMO and it makes EVE Universe look small.  

Certainly hope so, huge fan of the original Elite, but yet, those 2 games are still in development.

Good news is you won't have to wait much longer for Elite, it is slated to release this year.  :)

Originally posted by Muke
Originally posted by Iylz
Star Citizen or Elite Dangerous - Don't waste your time with EVE.

Think th eplayer is looking for a MMO, not lobby based co-op Mplay space sims.

Actually Elite:Dangerous is an MMO and it makes EVE Universe look small.  

Going to say, 1.5 to 2 million sales across all platforms.   With a 5% to 10% retention rate the first 6 months.    Scaling down to a 3% to 5% retention rate after that.  From then on it'll just be a revolving door of players, and never retaining more than 5%.   Game will be free to play in 1 year to 1.5 years.  
Originally posted by Bigdaddyx

Teala - Erotica 1 did nothing wrong.

Teala - Where did i say Sohkar deserved it?

Two polarizing statements by same person.

Why are we still talking about this guys? let this die we are going in circles arguing with someone who can't even make up her own mind.

Yes, because this is about me...not what we are discussing.   Which you've been doing a lot of. 

Originally posted by Elikal

No seriously. Due to a report, the sorcerer "Jake Shelton" made level 50 in a bit more than 17 hours. His guild, Vae Soli, created Emperess Tiu on the EU Megaserver.

Well, Vive La France. ;)

Source:

http://mein-mmo.de/the-elder-scrolls-online-wir-haben-eine-kaiserin-313/

 

I dont care if someone ruins his gameplay by rushing to lv 50 in 1 days, but a French Emperor... and an Emperess even! That hurts. XD

EDIT: Apparently Vae Solis is an alliance of 10 guilds, and all of them rush supported the person to be the first level 50 and to attain Emperorhood. It seems they all worked together for these goals. They snatched the crown for the Daggerfall Alliance, thus seeming to ascertain the rumor, that Daggerfall attracts the PVP powergamer guilds. (As I dimly recall the guild from "Tamriel Foundry" are also going to Daggerfall. So brace youself, Ebonheart and Dominion. ^^)

So in essence what you are saying the game can be easily manipulated and overcome because of it's very simplistic game play.   This was all done in less that 24hrs.   Glad I didn't waste a dime on it.

Oh and just for everyones information.   I am not Erotica 1.    I do not know this person.    I personally do not like scammers, gankers or awoxers...in fact I am one of the biggest carebears in the game of EVE.   For 7+ years my main has been a miner.   Yep, I am a miner in EVE.    So if anyone should be siding with Ripard Teg - you'd think it would be me.   Well I do not agree with him and I think he is the one being a despicable human being.    He is the kind of person you should fear.   He is the kind of person that uses peoples own feelings to manipulate them into doing things they normally wouldn't do.    Just like the Inquisitors of old...he knows what words to use to incite people.   This maybe just a game...but look what he managed to do.  He managed to vilify an individual and twist what happened into something more.   In essence, he took a person labeled them a witch...and people fell for it.    It really is that simple.   

I have nothing against people that play the game the way they like it.   If you want to be a scammer and manage to take a player for all their worth...hell, do it!  Not my fault that person was an idiot.   Want to gank a miner.   Please - be my guest!  Gank away!   If that miner was too stupid to mine in a safe manner and use a tank build to protect themselves...to frikking bad!   You should have been smarter.    Oh, you were awoxed?   Well I guess you should have done a little research on the person you just let into your corp...to see that that is what they are.    You screwed up.   

And...yes...as I said, I am a carebear...one of the biggest you'll ever find in EVE.   In fact my main has never killed one player in EVE in the 7 years I have played.   I do have alts that have killed - but only in self defense.    I have never gone out of my way to kill another player in game. 

So there you go...in EVE - Teala is a big frikking carebear.  o.0   Yet, I am siding with Erotica 1 because I don't see that they did anything wrong.

Originally posted by lizardbones
Originally posted by DarSepki
Originally posted by Solar_Prophet
Originally posted by Paske

So basicly, Erotica 1, one of the most exposed scammers has *GASP* scammed someone.

That someone was dumb enough to give them even more assets.

Now they are bu** hurt and write angry posts about it.

 

You have to understand, EVE is NOT your garden variety game. No one will hold you by your hand while you make your first steppes. No one cares if you toiled for months to get that ISK only to see it blown up/ scammed/ stolen / whatever.

You bought 500$ worh of PLEX, sold it for ISK , got your self 20bil CNR only to get it blown up on Jita undock ? Excuse us while we point and laugh at you.

 

The game isnt for everyone, it never was and it never said it was. Scamming, stealing, lying, doing what you want or must is all alowed.

Using third party people in order to get intel on your rivals in attempt to steal all their assets and then mock them in public ? More power to you !

 

You dont like it? May I sugest some other game then. EVE is harsh and doesnt forgive. Adapt or die.

Gotta love how you and others are still trying to make this about the scam.

THIS. WAS. NEVER. ABOUT. THE. SCAM.

The guy fell for a scam, and I couldn't care less about him losing his in-game property. He made a stupid choice, and in all honesty absolutely deserved to lose said property.

The issue here is the fact that for two hours, several people strung him along with false reassurances & hope with the sole purpose of pushing him to his breaking point for their own sadistic enjoyment. That's the issue here, not the loss of digital property. One would think that would go without saying, but then again perhaps I'm giving the people defending this sort of garbage too much credit.

I hope that, should some of you find yourselves being mugged or bullied some day, the cops simply tell you that , "Life is harsh and doesn't forgive. Adapt or die." Then maybe you'll realize just how ridiculous and disgusting your attitudes are.

You make a valid point, if only it was based off of facts:

The purpose of the room wasn't to push people to the breaking point. I thought it was at the beginning and had to do a bit of research to find out that this wasn't the case. This is partially why the "witch" in this hunt was targeted. People were way to quick to pass judgement then to spend the extra effort to find the facts

You degrade your argument by wishing physical harm against those who disagree with you. This tells me that you are emotionally and not logically driven with this post.

 

Please consider the following FACTS logically before posting further:

1. The victim has made a public post. In it, he tells people that he is at fault, and people should drop it.

2. The blogger, and elected community representative, has never spoken to the victim before or after he made his post publicly shunning the scammers. The victim's attempt to speak to this blogger have been ignored.

3. The blogger who started this now is refusing to speak to anyone who doesn't absolutely agree with his position. He has been openly rude against anyone who wants to bring up the 'side issues' that have been raised because of this.

 

 

Those who continue to go on this witch hunt are no longer going in support of the 'victim' that are claiming to support. Like witch hunts in the past it only requires the actions of the accuser(s) to go on. And seeing that the main accuser is ignoring the desire of the victim of said act, it suggests that the accuser is acting on their own agenda.

Those who continue to support him have been more likely to emotionally driven. They have been posting hateful things such as declaring those who choose to defend against it as 'sociopaths' or like in your case, wishing physical harm. I hope people like you will learn to clear their emotions at the door and show restraint and respect and not spread the hate over a little drama.

 

If sohkar had not said anything, and if the "witch hunt" had not happened, would Erotica 1's behavior be considered acceptable?  If the answer is "No", then it doesn't matter what sohkar said after the fact and it doesn't matter if the CSM was conducing a "witch hunt".  Erotica 1 deserved a ban.  If the answer is "Yes", then the question to answer is why CCP decided to ban Erotica 1.  My guess would be Erotica 1 making Eve look bad and potentially driving off new players.

 

Erotica 1 did nothing wrong.  CCP has known about the bonus room for a very long time.  He has in fact posted numerous recordings of bonus rounds up in the past.   This is not new information.  Hell Erotica 1's image is on in-game billboards as a wanted criminal and has been for a couple of years now.  Everyone knows about Erotica 1's scams.   This is about one guy, Ripard Tag not liking scammers...go read his blog.    He has never liked gankers, scammers or awoxers.    So he becomes a CSM.   He now has a direct link to CCP to petition them.    Well it turns out he petitioned them about the Sohkar matter just a few days after it happened and CCP did nothing about it.   So Ripard decides to write blog and put it on EVE24 news website...he makes it an public issue and using the right words like torture and panic attack, despicable, deprived and other major key words he gets people that do not like scammers to feed off these keywords...and start a crusade about it.  

And tada...instant Inquisition.     

Originally posted by Solar_Prophet
Originally posted by Paske

So basicly, Erotica 1, one of the most exposed scammers has *GASP* scammed someone.

That someone was dumb enough to give them even more assets.

Now they are bu** hurt and write angry posts about it.

 

You have to understand, EVE is NOT your garden variety game. No one will hold you by your hand while you make your first steppes. No one cares if you toiled for months to get that ISK only to see it blown up/ scammed/ stolen / whatever.

You bought 500$ worh of PLEX, sold it for ISK , got your self 20bil CNR only to get it blown up on Jita undock ? Excuse us while we point and laugh at you.

 

The game isnt for everyone, it never was and it never said it was. Scamming, stealing, lying, doing what you want or must is all alowed.

Using third party people in order to get intel on your rivals in attempt to steal all their assets and then mock them in public ? More power to you !

 

You dont like it? May I sugest some other game then. EVE is harsh and doesnt forgive. Adapt or die.

Gotta love how you and others are still trying to make this about the scam.

THIS. WAS. NEVER. ABOUT. THE. SCAM.

The guy fell for a scam, and I couldn't care less about him losing his in-game property. He made a stupid choice, and in all honesty absolutely deserved to lose said property.

The issue here is the fact that for two hours, several people strung him along with false reassurances & hope with the sole purpose of pushing him to his breaking point for their own sadistic enjoyment. That's the issue here, not the loss of digital property. One would think that would go without saying, but then again perhaps I'm giving the people defending this sort of garbage too much credit.

I hope that, should some of you find yourselves being mugged or bullied some day, the cops simply tell you that , "Life is harsh and doesn't forgive. Adapt or die." Then maybe you'll realize just how ridiculous and disgusting your attitudes are.

Utter crap.   So now you are saying Sohkar was mugged and bullied.   Please...what is next, Erotica one waterboard tortured him.

The guy got scammed.  It happens all the time in EVE.   It is part of EVE.

And let's not hold the guy that got scammed to any accountability what - so - ever.   Because he was incapable of stopping it himself at any time - right?  Someone had a gun to his head.   Oh wait, he was tied to a chair!   Right...?

 

Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by Teala
This was a witch hunt started by Ripard Teg(a member and co-chair of EVE's  CSM), because he has an issue with the player and character of Erotica 1.  Plan and simple.   And those of you that participated in it - pat yourselves on the back...congratulations...you have shown that you can still be duped as easily as ever.   

Did you listen to the recording? Are you telling me it was staged? If not then this "witch-hunt" is warranted and justified. People like that are garbage and belong behind bars or at the very least, banned from using a computer.

I listened to the recording multiple times.   I heard them do nothing that warrants this to be construed as torture or some kind of heinous crime.   If asking someone to sing a couple of songs and recite a few lines from a make believe charter is harsh treatment to you...I have to wonder about what your ulterior motives are regarding this. I heard two consenting adults playing a game.   One guy got upset.  People do that when they realize they have been scammed and are not getting their money back.  People do that when playing chess even.  Or playing cards.   Yes, even people playing video games that can't handle losing get upset.   That is what I heard.  I heard no torture - as Ripard Teg described it as being...and some of you others.   That was not torture at all.   So stop making it out as such.   

I did however hear the guy being scammed break all kinds of rules regarding EVE's EULA.   

And if you must get upset...put the blame right where it belongs...not on Erotica, not on Sohkar, not on any scammer, ganker or awoxer.   Put it on CCP.   They nurtured this atmosphere of "collecting tears"...they even made jokes about it.    They fed it with videos even like HTFU.   You want someone to blame.   Blame CCP.

Otherwise, this is part of the game...it has been since day one.   The difference now is someone in game(someone with the ability to directly petition CCP) has decided to get rid of scammers and such, so they have started an in-game inquisition - and anyone that sides with him is a part of it.  Congratulations.

This was a witch hunt started by Ripard Teg(a member and co-chair of EVE's  CSM), because he has an issue with the player and character of Erotica 1.  Plan and simple.   And those of you that participated in it - pat yourselves on the back...congratulations...you have shown that you can still be duped as easily as ever.   
Originally posted by PAL-18
explains all the dumbing down and instancing and phasing and stuff.

Yep...and probably why there is no underwater swimming, painted on armor...hero engine can't handle it.

Originally posted by Hazelle
Originally posted by Teala

Also, there is plenty of in game and out of game evidence to show the real harassment in this case.  And it is funny that CCP says they can't do anything about evidence in the 3rd party, yet that is "exactly" what they did in Erotica's case.  http://remielpollardlives.blogspot.com.au/2014/03/temporary-close.html

CCP is a video game company.

CCP is not interpol.

CCP is not the NSA.

CCP is not...  Do I really need to continue?

CCP doesn't have the ability to subpoena people or evidence.

CCP doesn't have the ability to force another company to cooperate with their GMs.

Although, if a fish jumps into the boat CCP can definitely whack it with an oar.

 

Yes, make excuses for CCP.  It's the only argument you have left.

Also, there is plenty of in game and out of game evidence to show the real harassment in this case.  And it is funny that CCP says they can't do anything about evidence in the 3rd party, yet that is "exactly" what they did in Erotica's case.  http://remielpollardlives.blogspot.com.au/2014/03/temporary-close.html

Originally posted by Hazelle
Originally posted by Teala
Originally posted by Hazelle
Originally posted by FlyByKnight
Originally posted by Kwansei
Originally posted by FlyByKnight

You wanted a sandbox, you got one. Man/Woman up. 

 

This is basically like a person going into a bad neighborhood to buy some crack, and calling the police because they got soap shavings.  The person who got duped is a dope, and is lucky it's "just a game".

The fact the person who wrote the blog uses the word "torture" is so ignorant and melodramatic.  Torture is when you don't have ANY control. Power the PC down nerds.  Time to go outside.

So following this line of logic sandbox MMORPGs are equatable to bad, drug-ridden  neighborhoods? No wonder the AAA market doesn't want to touch em :)

Now forgive me if I am wrong here, as I haven't seen/heard the video and am going off of what I could get here and I might be wrong about the recording being posted w/o the knowledge of the guy who was scammed .

What bothers me most about this is the fact (though I find the act itself in very poor morals) is  that that after pulling the scam the scammer then proceeds to shame his prey by secretly recording and then sharing and calling attention to the act. How is that not cyber-bullying? What other purpose does posting a recording of the scam online, which obviously must be of great embarassment to the guy who got scammed,  than to make him suffer? Though I won't go as far as to call this torture, the poster above argues that torture can only happen when one has no control. The guy who got scammed here has no control over this recording getting out. This is, in my opinion, is what makes the scammer scum.

oh well just my 2 copper.

The guy who got caught with his pants down was marked out from the beginning.  This wasn't his first time. He wasn't made to do anything.  He brought all this mess on himself because everything from the beginning was avoidable. If he was scammed he could have reported it and dealt with it that way, but again... he KNEW he was wrong and he got beat.  The whole nerd rage, racial slurs, and death threats... he knew he was wrong for that too. 

 

He finally realizes what an ass he's made of himself from being worked over, AND going full retard and he wanted it all to go away.  That's not the issue.

 

The problem is, now some Nancy Grace type throws the poor mark out on front street telling their story without any regard for if the "victim" wants to be laughed at again for being a dunce.  The blogger uses words like "torture" and "monster" and all types of foolishness to get everybody worked up and get the scammer banned.  Not because of what happened but because of some previous vendetta.  How genuine. Well it apparently worked.

 

Guess what?  The guy that got scammed is still gullible and marked out and now people like myself who could care less about EVE, know about it.  Who's fault is that?  Find that person and point the outrage that way.

Report it?  You obviously don't play eve.

Scamming is acceptable gameplay in eve online with both CCP and the majority of players myself included.

It was never about the victim or the scam.

We don't need players confusing real life with our virtual world and when someone fails to understand the difference they need to go until they get it.

It allows us the right to say "calm down it's just a video game".

The victim is supposed to be an avatar not the player and this incident made the victim the player and ultimately prevents us from saying it's just a video game.

Scamming is okay because it just a video game.

Piracy is okay because it's just a video game.

Espionage is okay because it's just a video game.

Extortion is okay because it's just a video game.

We pay for a subscription to access the game and need to abide by the rules set by the developers.

It's not really scamming or piracy or espionage or extortion because CCP's ownership is absolute.

This incident went way too far and became real life harrassment and at that point it stopped being a part of the game.

"internet spaceships are serious business" is a double edged sword.

Oh you mean like this real life incident of "real" harassment that took place in and outside of game that CCP did nothing about, that took place before the Sohkar incident.

http://remielpollardlives.blogspot.com.au/2014/03/temporary-close.html

Note the GM's response.   

Yet, that is exactly what they did with the Erotica 1 incident.  They took a blog post and made it relevant.   Then they took a recording from a 3rd party sight and made it relevant.  I'd say CCP has a double standard, and I'd also say that CCP made the call to ban Erotica 1 because it was causing too much bad publicity - not because of what they did.

Did the dude admit to it in a public arena and confirm the harrassment?  Do you know who did that?

It's not the victim accusing here it's erotica himself gleefully cutting his own throat.

Still think it's the same?

CCP couldn't take action on it due to a lack of proof.

There's overwhelming proof in this case.

Well, please point out this harassment to me in the Erotica 1 issue.   I still do not see it. 

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