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Oh and just for everyones information.   I am not Erotica 1.    I do not know this person.    I personally do not like scammers, gankers or awoxers...in fact I am one of the biggest carebears in the game of EVE.   For 7+ years my main has been a miner.   Yep, I am a miner in EVE.    So if anyone should be siding with Ripard Teg - you'd think it would be me.   Well I do not agree with him and I think he is the one being a despicable human being.    He is the kind of person you should fear.   He is the kind of person that uses peoples own feelings to manipulate them into doing things they normally wouldn't do.    Just like the Inquisitors of old...he knows what words to use to incite people.   This maybe just a game...but look what he managed to do.  He managed to vilify an individual and twist what happened into something more.   In essence, he took a person labeled them a witch...and people fell for it.    It really is that simple.   

I have nothing against people that play the game the way they like it.   If you want to be a scammer and manage to take a player for all their worth...hell, do it!  Not my fault that person was an idiot.   Want to gank a miner.   Please - be my guest!  Gank away!   If that miner was too stupid to mine in a safe manner and use a tank build to protect themselves...to frikking bad!   You should have been smarter.    Oh, you were awoxed?   Well I guess you should have done a little research on the person you just let into your corp...to see that that is what they are.    You screwed up.   

And...yes...as I said, I am a carebear...one of the biggest you'll ever find in EVE.   In fact my main has never killed one player in EVE in the 7 years I have played.   I do have alts that have killed - but only in self defense.    I have never gone out of my way to kill another player in game. 

So there you go...in EVE - Teala is a big frikking carebear.  o.0   Yet, I am siding with Erotica 1 because I don't see that they did anything wrong.

Originally posted by lizardbones
Originally posted by DarSepki
Originally posted by Solar_Prophet
Originally posted by Paske

So basicly, Erotica 1, one of the most exposed scammers has *GASP* scammed someone.

That someone was dumb enough to give them even more assets.

Now they are bu** hurt and write angry posts about it.

 

You have to understand, EVE is NOT your garden variety game. No one will hold you by your hand while you make your first steppes. No one cares if you toiled for months to get that ISK only to see it blown up/ scammed/ stolen / whatever.

You bought 500$ worh of PLEX, sold it for ISK , got your self 20bil CNR only to get it blown up on Jita undock ? Excuse us while we point and laugh at you.

 

The game isnt for everyone, it never was and it never said it was. Scamming, stealing, lying, doing what you want or must is all alowed.

Using third party people in order to get intel on your rivals in attempt to steal all their assets and then mock them in public ? More power to you !

 

You dont like it? May I sugest some other game then. EVE is harsh and doesnt forgive. Adapt or die.

Gotta love how you and others are still trying to make this about the scam.

THIS. WAS. NEVER. ABOUT. THE. SCAM.

The guy fell for a scam, and I couldn't care less about him losing his in-game property. He made a stupid choice, and in all honesty absolutely deserved to lose said property.

The issue here is the fact that for two hours, several people strung him along with false reassurances & hope with the sole purpose of pushing him to his breaking point for their own sadistic enjoyment. That's the issue here, not the loss of digital property. One would think that would go without saying, but then again perhaps I'm giving the people defending this sort of garbage too much credit.

I hope that, should some of you find yourselves being mugged or bullied some day, the cops simply tell you that , "Life is harsh and doesn't forgive. Adapt or die." Then maybe you'll realize just how ridiculous and disgusting your attitudes are.

You make a valid point, if only it was based off of facts:

The purpose of the room wasn't to push people to the breaking point. I thought it was at the beginning and had to do a bit of research to find out that this wasn't the case. This is partially why the "witch" in this hunt was targeted. People were way to quick to pass judgement then to spend the extra effort to find the facts

You degrade your argument by wishing physical harm against those who disagree with you. This tells me that you are emotionally and not logically driven with this post.

 

Please consider the following FACTS logically before posting further:

1. The victim has made a public post. In it, he tells people that he is at fault, and people should drop it.

2. The blogger, and elected community representative, has never spoken to the victim before or after he made his post publicly shunning the scammers. The victim's attempt to speak to this blogger have been ignored.

3. The blogger who started this now is refusing to speak to anyone who doesn't absolutely agree with his position. He has been openly rude against anyone who wants to bring up the 'side issues' that have been raised because of this.

 

 

Those who continue to go on this witch hunt are no longer going in support of the 'victim' that are claiming to support. Like witch hunts in the past it only requires the actions of the accuser(s) to go on. And seeing that the main accuser is ignoring the desire of the victim of said act, it suggests that the accuser is acting on their own agenda.

Those who continue to support him have been more likely to emotionally driven. They have been posting hateful things such as declaring those who choose to defend against it as 'sociopaths' or like in your case, wishing physical harm. I hope people like you will learn to clear their emotions at the door and show restraint and respect and not spread the hate over a little drama.

 

If sohkar had not said anything, and if the "witch hunt" had not happened, would Erotica 1's behavior be considered acceptable?  If the answer is "No", then it doesn't matter what sohkar said after the fact and it doesn't matter if the CSM was conducing a "witch hunt".  Erotica 1 deserved a ban.  If the answer is "Yes", then the question to answer is why CCP decided to ban Erotica 1.  My guess would be Erotica 1 making Eve look bad and potentially driving off new players.

 

Erotica 1 did nothing wrong.  CCP has known about the bonus room for a very long time.  He has in fact posted numerous recordings of bonus rounds up in the past.   This is not new information.  Hell Erotica 1's image is on in-game billboards as a wanted criminal and has been for a couple of years now.  Everyone knows about Erotica 1's scams.   This is about one guy, Ripard Tag not liking scammers...go read his blog.    He has never liked gankers, scammers or awoxers.    So he becomes a CSM.   He now has a direct link to CCP to petition them.    Well it turns out he petitioned them about the Sohkar matter just a few days after it happened and CCP did nothing about it.   So Ripard decides to write blog and put it on EVE24 news website...he makes it an public issue and using the right words like torture and panic attack, despicable, deprived and other major key words he gets people that do not like scammers to feed off these keywords...and start a crusade about it.  

And tada...instant Inquisition.     

Originally posted by Solar_Prophet
Originally posted by Paske

So basicly, Erotica 1, one of the most exposed scammers has *GASP* scammed someone.

That someone was dumb enough to give them even more assets.

Now they are bu** hurt and write angry posts about it.

 

You have to understand, EVE is NOT your garden variety game. No one will hold you by your hand while you make your first steppes. No one cares if you toiled for months to get that ISK only to see it blown up/ scammed/ stolen / whatever.

You bought 500$ worh of PLEX, sold it for ISK , got your self 20bil CNR only to get it blown up on Jita undock ? Excuse us while we point and laugh at you.

 

The game isnt for everyone, it never was and it never said it was. Scamming, stealing, lying, doing what you want or must is all alowed.

Using third party people in order to get intel on your rivals in attempt to steal all their assets and then mock them in public ? More power to you !

 

You dont like it? May I sugest some other game then. EVE is harsh and doesnt forgive. Adapt or die.

Gotta love how you and others are still trying to make this about the scam.

THIS. WAS. NEVER. ABOUT. THE. SCAM.

The guy fell for a scam, and I couldn't care less about him losing his in-game property. He made a stupid choice, and in all honesty absolutely deserved to lose said property.

The issue here is the fact that for two hours, several people strung him along with false reassurances & hope with the sole purpose of pushing him to his breaking point for their own sadistic enjoyment. That's the issue here, not the loss of digital property. One would think that would go without saying, but then again perhaps I'm giving the people defending this sort of garbage too much credit.

I hope that, should some of you find yourselves being mugged or bullied some day, the cops simply tell you that , "Life is harsh and doesn't forgive. Adapt or die." Then maybe you'll realize just how ridiculous and disgusting your attitudes are.

Utter crap.   So now you are saying Sohkar was mugged and bullied.   Please...what is next, Erotica one waterboard tortured him.

The guy got scammed.  It happens all the time in EVE.   It is part of EVE.

And let's not hold the guy that got scammed to any accountability what - so - ever.   Because he was incapable of stopping it himself at any time - right?  Someone had a gun to his head.   Oh wait, he was tied to a chair!   Right...?

 

Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by Teala
This was a witch hunt started by Ripard Teg(a member and co-chair of EVE's  CSM), because he has an issue with the player and character of Erotica 1.  Plan and simple.   And those of you that participated in it - pat yourselves on the back...congratulations...you have shown that you can still be duped as easily as ever.   

Did you listen to the recording? Are you telling me it was staged? If not then this "witch-hunt" is warranted and justified. People like that are garbage and belong behind bars or at the very least, banned from using a computer.

I listened to the recording multiple times.   I heard them do nothing that warrants this to be construed as torture or some kind of heinous crime.   If asking someone to sing a couple of songs and recite a few lines from a make believe charter is harsh treatment to you...I have to wonder about what your ulterior motives are regarding this. I heard two consenting adults playing a game.   One guy got upset.  People do that when they realize they have been scammed and are not getting their money back.  People do that when playing chess even.  Or playing cards.   Yes, even people playing video games that can't handle losing get upset.   That is what I heard.  I heard no torture - as Ripard Teg described it as being...and some of you others.   That was not torture at all.   So stop making it out as such.   

I did however hear the guy being scammed break all kinds of rules regarding EVE's EULA.   

And if you must get upset...put the blame right where it belongs...not on Erotica, not on Sohkar, not on any scammer, ganker or awoxer.   Put it on CCP.   They nurtured this atmosphere of "collecting tears"...they even made jokes about it.    They fed it with videos even like HTFU.   You want someone to blame.   Blame CCP.

Otherwise, this is part of the game...it has been since day one.   The difference now is someone in game(someone with the ability to directly petition CCP) has decided to get rid of scammers and such, so they have started an in-game inquisition - and anyone that sides with him is a part of it.  Congratulations.

This was a witch hunt started by Ripard Teg(a member and co-chair of EVE's  CSM), because he has an issue with the player and character of Erotica 1.  Plan and simple.   And those of you that participated in it - pat yourselves on the back...congratulations...you have shown that you can still be duped as easily as ever.   
Originally posted by PAL-18
explains all the dumbing down and instancing and phasing and stuff.

Yep...and probably why there is no underwater swimming, painted on armor...hero engine can't handle it.

Originally posted by Hazelle
Originally posted by Teala

Also, there is plenty of in game and out of game evidence to show the real harassment in this case.  And it is funny that CCP says they can't do anything about evidence in the 3rd party, yet that is "exactly" what they did in Erotica's case.  http://remielpollardlives.blogspot.com.au/2014/03/temporary-close.html

CCP is a video game company.

CCP is not interpol.

CCP is not the NSA.

CCP is not...  Do I really need to continue?

CCP doesn't have the ability to subpoena people or evidence.

CCP doesn't have the ability to force another company to cooperate with their GMs.

Although, if a fish jumps into the boat CCP can definitely whack it with an oar.

 

Yes, make excuses for CCP.  It's the only argument you have left.

Also, there is plenty of in game and out of game evidence to show the real harassment in this case.  And it is funny that CCP says they can't do anything about evidence in the 3rd party, yet that is "exactly" what they did in Erotica's case.  http://remielpollardlives.blogspot.com.au/2014/03/temporary-close.html

Originally posted by Hazelle
Originally posted by Teala
Originally posted by Hazelle
Originally posted by FlyByKnight
Originally posted by Kwansei
Originally posted by FlyByKnight

You wanted a sandbox, you got one. Man/Woman up. 

 

This is basically like a person going into a bad neighborhood to buy some crack, and calling the police because they got soap shavings.  The person who got duped is a dope, and is lucky it's "just a game".

The fact the person who wrote the blog uses the word "torture" is so ignorant and melodramatic.  Torture is when you don't have ANY control. Power the PC down nerds.  Time to go outside.

So following this line of logic sandbox MMORPGs are equatable to bad, drug-ridden  neighborhoods? No wonder the AAA market doesn't want to touch em :)

Now forgive me if I am wrong here, as I haven't seen/heard the video and am going off of what I could get here and I might be wrong about the recording being posted w/o the knowledge of the guy who was scammed .

What bothers me most about this is the fact (though I find the act itself in very poor morals) is  that that after pulling the scam the scammer then proceeds to shame his prey by secretly recording and then sharing and calling attention to the act. How is that not cyber-bullying? What other purpose does posting a recording of the scam online, which obviously must be of great embarassment to the guy who got scammed,  than to make him suffer? Though I won't go as far as to call this torture, the poster above argues that torture can only happen when one has no control. The guy who got scammed here has no control over this recording getting out. This is, in my opinion, is what makes the scammer scum.

oh well just my 2 copper.

The guy who got caught with his pants down was marked out from the beginning.  This wasn't his first time. He wasn't made to do anything.  He brought all this mess on himself because everything from the beginning was avoidable. If he was scammed he could have reported it and dealt with it that way, but again... he KNEW he was wrong and he got beat.  The whole nerd rage, racial slurs, and death threats... he knew he was wrong for that too. 

 

He finally realizes what an ass he's made of himself from being worked over, AND going full retard and he wanted it all to go away.  That's not the issue.

 

The problem is, now some Nancy Grace type throws the poor mark out on front street telling their story without any regard for if the "victim" wants to be laughed at again for being a dunce.  The blogger uses words like "torture" and "monster" and all types of foolishness to get everybody worked up and get the scammer banned.  Not because of what happened but because of some previous vendetta.  How genuine. Well it apparently worked.

 

Guess what?  The guy that got scammed is still gullible and marked out and now people like myself who could care less about EVE, know about it.  Who's fault is that?  Find that person and point the outrage that way.

Report it?  You obviously don't play eve.

Scamming is acceptable gameplay in eve online with both CCP and the majority of players myself included.

It was never about the victim or the scam.

We don't need players confusing real life with our virtual world and when someone fails to understand the difference they need to go until they get it.

It allows us the right to say "calm down it's just a video game".

The victim is supposed to be an avatar not the player and this incident made the victim the player and ultimately prevents us from saying it's just a video game.

Scamming is okay because it just a video game.

Piracy is okay because it's just a video game.

Espionage is okay because it's just a video game.

Extortion is okay because it's just a video game.

We pay for a subscription to access the game and need to abide by the rules set by the developers.

It's not really scamming or piracy or espionage or extortion because CCP's ownership is absolute.

This incident went way too far and became real life harrassment and at that point it stopped being a part of the game.

"internet spaceships are serious business" is a double edged sword.

Oh you mean like this real life incident of "real" harassment that took place in and outside of game that CCP did nothing about, that took place before the Sohkar incident.

http://remielpollardlives.blogspot.com.au/2014/03/temporary-close.html

Note the GM's response.   

Yet, that is exactly what they did with the Erotica 1 incident.  They took a blog post and made it relevant.   Then they took a recording from a 3rd party sight and made it relevant.  I'd say CCP has a double standard, and I'd also say that CCP made the call to ban Erotica 1 because it was causing too much bad publicity - not because of what they did.

Did the dude admit to it in a public arena and confirm the harrassment?  Do you know who did that?

It's not the victim accusing here it's erotica himself gleefully cutting his own throat.

Still think it's the same?

CCP couldn't take action on it due to a lack of proof.

There's overwhelming proof in this case.

Well, please point out this harassment to me in the Erotica 1 issue.   I still do not see it. 

Originally posted by Hazelle
Originally posted by FlyByKnight
Originally posted by Kwansei
Originally posted by FlyByKnight

You wanted a sandbox, you got one. Man/Woman up. 

 

This is basically like a person going into a bad neighborhood to buy some crack, and calling the police because they got soap shavings.  The person who got duped is a dope, and is lucky it's "just a game".

The fact the person who wrote the blog uses the word "torture" is so ignorant and melodramatic.  Torture is when you don't have ANY control. Power the PC down nerds.  Time to go outside.

So following this line of logic sandbox MMORPGs are equatable to bad, drug-ridden  neighborhoods? No wonder the AAA market doesn't want to touch em :)

Now forgive me if I am wrong here, as I haven't seen/heard the video and am going off of what I could get here and I might be wrong about the recording being posted w/o the knowledge of the guy who was scammed .

What bothers me most about this is the fact (though I find the act itself in very poor morals) is  that that after pulling the scam the scammer then proceeds to shame his prey by secretly recording and then sharing and calling attention to the act. How is that not cyber-bullying? What other purpose does posting a recording of the scam online, which obviously must be of great embarassment to the guy who got scammed,  than to make him suffer? Though I won't go as far as to call this torture, the poster above argues that torture can only happen when one has no control. The guy who got scammed here has no control over this recording getting out. This is, in my opinion, is what makes the scammer scum.

oh well just my 2 copper.

The guy who got caught with his pants down was marked out from the beginning.  This wasn't his first time. He wasn't made to do anything.  He brought all this mess on himself because everything from the beginning was avoidable. If he was scammed he could have reported it and dealt with it that way, but again... he KNEW he was wrong and he got beat.  The whole nerd rage, racial slurs, and death threats... he knew he was wrong for that too. 

 

He finally realizes what an ass he's made of himself from being worked over, AND going full retard and he wanted it all to go away.  That's not the issue.

 

The problem is, now some Nancy Grace type throws the poor mark out on front street telling their story without any regard for if the "victim" wants to be laughed at again for being a dunce.  The blogger uses words like "torture" and "monster" and all types of foolishness to get everybody worked up and get the scammer banned.  Not because of what happened but because of some previous vendetta.  How genuine. Well it apparently worked.

 

Guess what?  The guy that got scammed is still gullible and marked out and now people like myself who could care less about EVE, know about it.  Who's fault is that?  Find that person and point the outrage that way.

Report it?  You obviously don't play eve.

Scamming is acceptable gameplay in eve online with both CCP and the majority of players myself included.

It was never about the victim or the scam.

We don't need players confusing real life with our virtual world and when someone fails to understand the difference they need to go until they get it.

It allows us the right to say "calm down it's just a video game".

The victim is supposed to be an avatar not the player and this incident made the victim the player and ultimately prevents us from saying it's just a video game.

Scamming is okay because it just a video game.

Piracy is okay because it's just a video game.

Espionage is okay because it's just a video game.

Extortion is okay because it's just a video game.

We pay for a subscription to access the game and need to abide by the rules set by the developers.

It's not really scamming or piracy or espionage or extortion because CCP's ownership is absolute.

This incident went way too far and became real life harrassment and at that point it stopped being a part of the game.

"internet spaceships are serious business" is a double edged sword.

Oh you mean like this real life incident of "real" harassment that took place in and outside of game that CCP did nothing about, that took place before the Sohkar incident.

http://remielpollardlives.blogspot.com.au/2014/03/temporary-close.html

Note the GM's response.   

Yet, that is exactly what they did with the Erotica 1 incident.  They took a blog post and made it relevant.   Then they took a recording from a 3rd party sight and made it relevant.  I'd say CCP has a double standard, and I'd also say that CCP made the call to ban Erotica 1 because it was causing too much bad publicity - not because of what they did.

Originally posted by Hulluck
Originally posted by Teala
Originally posted by Whitebeards
Originally posted by Teala
Originally posted by Whitebeards
Originally posted by Teala
Originally posted by Whitebeards
Originally posted by Teala
Yes...you imagined I said he deserved it.   Please go read and then post that I said he deserved it.   I said he was stupid for falling for the scam.     That's all I ever said.   Are you saying he wasn't stupid for falling for it? 

Majority here are not even concerned with the scam anymore.

I read every post of yours to be sure and yes you did repeatedly made this clear that you support Erotica and that Sohkar deserved the in human treatment he got AFTER he got scammed.

So nope bigdaddy isn't imagining anything.

Wrong, I never said he deserved it.   I said he was stupid for falling for a scam.  If you can pull up anywhere in any of these threads where I said he deserved it...please...post it.

Oh so for all this time you were trying to say he didn't deserve it? i am confused now because your whole rant on this subject seems very bipolar to me. You clearly mentioned in one of your posts that 'all he had to do was leave' but because the greed of getting back his stuff was so great he stayed and yet deserved what happened after scam. I am sure it was you.

Yes he got scamed because of his own stupidity...we have already established that. So why are you still on this crusade? and if you think Sohkar didn't deserve it why are you supporting Erotica still? and talking about injustice to him?

Are you trying to get a third topic locked too?

I thinkyou yourself don't know what you are talking about anymore because you have created such a mess of the whole thing.

Nope, never said he deserved it...ever, not once.    You can't even pull up an example.  Which is why you now obfuscate and direct it toward another tangent on the subject.   I stand by what I said, I do not blame Erotica 1 for what happened at all.   I do however blame Sohkar for going along with the scam, that he had repeatedly been part of on numerous occasions and I hold him responsible for his own actions.  

Majority is not even talking about the scam... no one even cares about the scam..Erotica didn't get banned because of the scam. The only one who has been obfuscating and wilfully ignoring the real issue is you. You said 'all he had to do was leave' when his humiliation was brought up. There is only explanation for that. he stayed so he deserved it.

Once again..the 'outrage' isn't about Sohklar getting scammed. But you already know that.

I never said that.   I did say all he ever had to do was sign off and not participate.   Go listen to the recording, he knew in advance he had been scammed...he says it a couple of times..even laughed about it.   If he knew it, he had a choice, either stay or leave - not one person held him by any kind of force.   So what part of any of that do you not understand?   He made the choice to stay.   You make it sound like he was forced, and then tortured - in fact that is the word Jester used - which is utter hogwash - no such thing even remotely occurred - at all.  He used a word that would rile the masses, because he knew he would start a witch hunt and that is exactly what he got - and all of you fell for it...hook line and sinker.   I dunno who is a better scammer - Erotica 1 or Jester.

It was clear in the  recording where all this happened that he knew he had scammed as well, 45 minutes in. But Erotica was able to manipulate his emotional attachment to spaceship pixels and pushed him become unstable and never let up on him. Even after he and his wife completely lost it. That's a problem.   Of course it was stupid and he wasn't thinking clearly. duh..

Doesn't negate the fact that someone through use of a game was pushed to become irrational by another player for no gain other than to see how far he could push him.  In the end at this point the topic is pretty much dead. You should be taking it up with CSM or CCP because it's their ruling.

 

I think you're just forum pvping. I laughed that in a few hours you managed to suck people in and get them to get two of the 3 threads locked and no doubt this one will fall soon Ignoring the points that people and the CSM and CCP have told us. I can't believe that you lack the empathy to see it. Yo haven't even acknowledged what Erotica did and his intent. Even if you do agree with it. 

 

I'm not the one getting these threads locked.  The people that are attacking posters with personal insults are getting them closed.

Originally posted by Kwansei
Originally posted by FlyByKnight

You wanted a sandbox, you got one. Man/Woman up. 

 

This is basically like a person going into a bad neighborhood to buy some crack, and calling the police because they got soap shavings.  The person who got duped is a dope, and is lucky it's "just a game".

The fact the person who wrote the blog uses the word "torture" is so ignorant and melodramatic.  Torture is when you don't have ANY control. Power the PC down nerds.  Time to go outside.

So following this line of logic sandbox MMORPGs are equatable to bad, drug-ridden  neighborhoods? No wonder the AAA market doesn't want to touch em :)

Now forgive me if I am wrong here, as I haven't seen/heard the video and am going off of what I could get here and I might be wrong about the recording being posted w/o the knowledge of the guy who was scammed .

What bothers me most about this is the fact (though I find the act itself in very poor morals) is  that that after pulling the scam the scammer then proceeds to shame his prey by secretly recording and then sharing and calling attention to the act. How is that not cyber-bullying? What other purpose does posting a recording of the scam online, which obviously must be of great embarassment to the guy who got scammed,  than to make him suffer? Though I won't go as far as to call this torture, the poster above argues that torture can only happen when one has no control. The guy who got scammed here has no control over this recording getting out. This is, in my opinion, is what makes the scammer scum.

oh well just my 2 copper.

Nope.   He knew he was being recorded and that it would be posted.  Go listen to the recording.

Originally posted by Whitebeards
Originally posted by Teala
Originally posted by Whitebeards
Originally posted by Teala
Originally posted by Whitebeards
Originally posted by Teala
Yes...you imagined I said he deserved it.   Please go read and then post that I said he deserved it.   I said he was stupid for falling for the scam.     That's all I ever said.   Are you saying he wasn't stupid for falling for it? 

Majority here are not even concerned with the scam anymore.

I read every post of yours to be sure and yes you did repeatedly made this clear that you support Erotica and that Sohkar deserved the in human treatment he got AFTER he got scammed.

So nope bigdaddy isn't imagining anything.

Wrong, I never said he deserved it.   I said he was stupid for falling for a scam.  If you can pull up anywhere in any of these threads where I said he deserved it...please...post it.

Oh so for all this time you were trying to say he didn't deserve it? i am confused now because your whole rant on this subject seems very bipolar to me. You clearly mentioned in one of your posts that 'all he had to do was leave' but because the greed of getting back his stuff was so great he stayed and yet deserved what happened after scam. I am sure it was you.

Yes he got scamed because of his own stupidity...we have already established that. So why are you still on this crusade? and if you think Sohkar didn't deserve it why are you supporting Erotica still? and talking about injustice to him?

Are you trying to get a third topic locked too?

I thinkyou yourself don't know what you are talking about anymore because you have created such a mess of the whole thing.

Nope, never said he deserved it...ever, not once.    You can't even pull up an example.  Which is why you now obfuscate and direct it toward another tangent on the subject.   I stand by what I said, I do not blame Erotica 1 for what happened at all.   I do however blame Sohkar for going along with the scam, that he had repeatedly been part of on numerous occasions and I hold him responsible for his own actions.  

Majority is not even talking about the scam... no one even cares about the scam..Erotica didn't get banned because of the scam. The only one who has been obfuscating and wilfully ignoring the real issue is you. You said 'all he had to do was leave' when his humiliation was brought up. There is only explanation for that. he stayed so he deserved it.

Once again..the 'outrage' isn't about Sohklar getting scammed. But you already know that.

I never said that.   I did say all he ever had to do was sign off and not participate.   Go listen to the recording, he knew in advance he had been scammed...he says it a couple of times..even laughed about it.   If he knew it, he had a choice, either stay or leave - not one person held him by any kind of force.   So what part of any of that do you not understand?   He made the choice to stay.   You make it sound like he was forced, and then tortured - in fact that is the word Jester used - which is utter hogwash - no such thing even remotely occurred - at all.  He used a word that would rile the masses, because he knew he would start a witch hunt and that is exactly what he got - and all of you fell for it...hook line and sinker.   I dunno who is a better scammer - Erotica 1 or Jester.

Originally posted by Whitebeards
Originally posted by Teala
Originally posted by Whitebeards
Originally posted by Teala
Yes...you imagined I said he deserved it.   Please go read and then post that I said he deserved it.   I said he was stupid for falling for the scam.     That's all I ever said.   Are you saying he wasn't stupid for falling for it? 

Majority here are not even concerned with the scam anymore.

I read every post of yours to be sure and yes you did repeatedly made this clear that you support Erotica and that Sohkar deserved the in human treatment he got AFTER he got scammed.

So nope bigdaddy isn't imagining anything.

Wrong, I never said he deserved it.   I said he was stupid for falling for a scam.  If you can pull up anywhere in any of these threads where I said he deserved it...please...post it.

Oh so for all this time you were trying to say he didn't deserve it? i am confused now because your whole rant on this subject seems very bipolar to me. You clearly mentioned in one of your posts that 'all he had to do was leave' but because the greed of getting back his stuff was so great he stayed and yet deserved what happened after scam. I am sure it was you.

Yes he got scamed because of his own stupidity...we have already established that. So why are you still on this crusade? and if you think Sohkar didn't deserve it why are you supporting Erotica still? and talking about injustice to him?

Are you trying to get a third topic locked too?

I thinkyou yourself don't know what you are talking about anymore because you have created such a mess of the whole thing.

Nope, never said he deserved it...ever, not once.    You can't even pull up an example.  Which is why you now obfuscate and direct it toward another tangent on the subject.   I stand by what I said, I do not blame Erotica 1 for what happened at all.   I do however blame Sohkar for going along with the scam, that he had repeatedly been part of on numerous occasions and I hold him responsible for his own actions.  

Originally posted by Whitebeards
Originally posted by Teala
Yes...you imagined I said he deserved it.   Please go read and then post that I said he deserved it.   I said he was stupid for falling for the scam.     That's all I ever said.   Are you saying he wasn't stupid for falling for it? 

Majority here are not even concerned with the scam anymore.

I read every post of yours to be sure and yes you did repeatedly made this clear that you support Erotica and that Sohkar deserved the in human treatment he got AFTER he got scammed.

So nope bigdaddy isn't imagining anything.

Wrong, I never said he deserved it.   I said he was stupid for falling for a scam.  If you can pull up anywhere in any of these threads where I said he deserved it...please...post it.

Originally posted by sugarbear78664
Teala? as I have read all your post and how i appreciate your obvious passion on this subject. I have to ask? In your eyes , Erotica 1 did nothing wrong, zero, all is fair game ...in a game. ?

Nope...Erotica 1, he is a known scammer.   Sohkar had been scammed by him previously.   He decided to do it more than once.  He got caught in a bigger scam.   He lost everything.   He played...because of his greed.   I heard nothing on Erotica 1's recording other than some guy fall for a scam, realized he screwed up, and then went all bat*&^%crazy because he got scammed.    I heard no abuse, no torture, no harassment.   But I did hear a lot of racial slurs, cussing, smashing of stuff, calling people names, threatening people and their family members from the guy that got scammed.    I don't feel sorry for him one bit.

Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by Teala
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by Teala
 

Nope, I do not feel sorry for the so called victim, not one bit.   Sorry to burst everyone's bubble.  He willingly participated in this.   He chose to do it.  Nobody twisted his arm at all.   His greed made him do it.   It really is that simple and I am dumbstruck that anyone thinks differently.   In fact lets absolve the guy of any wrong doing...let's just remove his own responsibility from this...it is all Erotica 1's fault.  

Greed of a player is what made the person that got scammed do this.   Greed.

I don't give a damn about what occurred after.  The player of Sohkar is a grown adult.   Are you telling me they are not capable of making a sound judgment?  That he couldn't just sign off from the game at any time and stop participating once they they had been scammed?   So where do you draw the line on personal responsibility for ones own actions?   Seriously.   I do not understand some of you people at all.  

You know why Sohkar didn't stop - GREED.

So let's blame Erotica 1 because this player was greedy.  Yep...it's all Erotica 1's fault.

 

Am I Erotica 1.  Nope.   Don't even know the player behind the character.  

Do I like scammers?  Nope...don't  care for the lot at all.  In fact all my EVE toons have the scammers that frequent Jita and other trade hubs blocked.

Do I think what Erotica one did was mean...well if asking someone to sing a song is mean or to recite a few lines of some make believe in game corp charter is mean then this world is a really screwed up place.

What I find reprehensible is the behavior of the guy that was scammed.   That is abhorrent!

 

This is exactly what I was saying earlier, what you're taking issue with is cause and effect. THe effect was Sohkar flipping out, the cause was someone pressing buttons for giggles. You can blame Sohkar all you want for falling for a scam, you can blame him for crossing a line as well in his retort. Yet you're giving this other player a complete pass. when it's his/her behavior that leads to this, and as far as CCP is concerned, it's a PR nightmare.

That's not even going into how far Erotica took this, we've all seen a person rage due to the littlest things , when it is nothing personal, and not about shame. This is all about shame, that's the larger motive, that's taking things beyond the game and making it personal. No developer wants players doing that, many players don't want them doing it either. It's horrible for the game as well as community.

Should the other guy be punished as well? Maybe. However this is what I tried pointing out earlier in the thread. What Sohkar did was reactionary, in the heat of the moment, that's far more understandable than doing what Erotica did for fun.

Also.. did you just call the victim greedy, in a scamming scenario? Really?

Sohkar is an adult - is he not capable of controlling the situation and just "sign" off?   Are we to just give him a free pass because he chose to stay?   Where is his responsibility in all this mess?   He stayed because of GREED.   You can all try to spin this all you like...it will not change the fact that this guy chose to participate.    And you keep candy coating his racist tirade, his threats to do bodily harm, his threats to kill another human being...there is absolutely nothing wrong with that at all.

DIdn't  I just agree that he may deserve punishment as well?

Nope...I don't see that Erotica 1 did anything wrong.   I did see a another person though play along with them because he thought he was going to get a lot of ISK - although in his own words he knew he had been scammed.   Why he continued to play is because of his greed.   Plain and simple. 

Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by Teala
 

Nope, I do not feel sorry for the so called victim, not one bit.   Sorry to burst everyone's bubble.  He willingly participated in this.   He chose to do it.  Nobody twisted his arm at all.   His greed made him do it.   It really is that simple and I am dumbstruck that anyone thinks differently.   In fact lets absolve the guy of any wrong doing...let's just remove his own responsibility from this...it is all Erotica 1's fault.  

Greed of a player is what made the person that got scammed do this.   Greed.

I don't give a damn about what occurred after.  The player of Sohkar is a grown adult.   Are you telling me they are not capable of making a sound judgment?  That he couldn't just sign off from the game at any time and stop participating once they they had been scammed?   So where do you draw the line on personal responsibility for ones own actions?   Seriously.   I do not understand some of you people at all.  

You know why Sohkar didn't stop - GREED.

So let's blame Erotica 1 because this player was greedy.  Yep...it's all Erotica 1's fault.

 

Am I Erotica 1.  Nope.   Don't even know the player behind the character.  

Do I like scammers?  Nope...don't  care for the lot at all.  In fact all my EVE toons have the scammers that frequent Jita and other trade hubs blocked.

Do I think what Erotica one did was mean...well if asking someone to sing a song is mean or to recite a few lines of some make believe in game corp charter is mean then this world is a really screwed up place.

What I find reprehensible is the behavior of the guy that was scammed.   That is abhorrent!

 

This is exactly what I was saying earlier, what you're taking issue with is cause and effect. THe effect was Sohkar flipping out, the cause was someone pressing buttons for giggles. You can blame Sohkar all you want for falling for a scam, you can blame him for crossing a line as well in his retort. Yet you're giving this other player a complete pass. when it's his/her behavior that leads to this, and as far as CCP is concerned, it's a PR nightmare.

That's not even going into how far Erotica took this, we've all seen a person rage due to the littlest things , when it is nothing personal, and not about shame. This is all about shame, that's the larger motive, that's taking things beyond the game and making it personal. No developer wants players doing that, many players don't want them doing it either. It's horrible for the game as well as community.

Should the other guy be punished as well? Maybe. However this is what I tried pointing out earlier in the thread. What Sohkar did was reactionary, in the heat of the moment, that's far more understandable than doing what Erotica did for fun.

Also.. did you just call the victim greedy, in a scamming scenario? Really?

Sohkar is an adult - is he not capable of controlling the situation and just "sign" off?   Are we to just give him a free pass because he chose to stay?   Where is his responsibility in all this mess?   He stayed because of GREED.   You can all try to spin this all you like...it will not change the fact that this guy chose to participate.    And you keep candy coating his racist tirade, his threats to do bodily harm, his threats to kill another human being...there is absolutely nothing wrong with that at all.

Originally posted by seafirex
Originally posted by Teala

So I am dumbfounded, why was the thread I started locked without an explanation?  Because I have a differing opinion on this whole mess?

I have a few points I would like to make though on this whole subject.

1)  Sohkar that guy that was scammed(that everyone feels sorry for) had fallen for this scam before, not once, not twice, but three times!

2) This was his conscious choice to participate.  Nobody twisted his arm.  Nobody "forced him".   He had the opportunity to disengage from the scam game at any time...any time.   He chose to continue..."he" played along.   That was "his" choice.   To say otherwise means you think he is incapable of making a judgement call and absolve him of any wrong doing in this manner.

3) The person behind Erotica1 violated no rule in the Eula when performing the scam - none.   If you think they did, point out which one.

4)  The only person that violated the Eula actually was the person that was scammed.  He violated it on multiple occasions.   They used racial attacks.  They threatened a person with bodily harm.  They threatened a persons family member with death.  All these violated the terms of EVE's Eula.  

5) It is now known that the CSM that started this by writing his article has a personal issue with the player Erotica1.   This is now in the open.   They started this whole mess for one reason.  To get a player banned.  

Who got banned?  Erotica 1

So tell me, where is the justice in that? 

Dude i don't know why you defend people like that, i listend to the recording and read the article also and i feel very bad calling myself a gamer now because of it. In real life this is not tolerated and in eve a game that is on a totally different level then others it should not be tolarated at all. 

EULA or TOS i am sure it states you can't humiliate people, be racist againt them etc.. and that is exactly what the dude did there to the poor guy. It is also recorded and now posted all over the web. CCP don't support this kind of behavior i am sure so sorry buddy but i don't feel bad at all to what happend to Erotica 1 . Good for CCP to kick that douche bag out of there.

You sure you listened to the recording, because the only person using racist remarks was the person that was scammed.  That is a violation of EVE's EULA.   In fact Erotica 1 never raised their voice once, never cussed...even tried to get the guy to calm down.    Instead that guy got more pissed, slammed his keyboard down repeatedly, started really getting upset and going into a further racist tirade and then threatened to hurt Erotica 1 and his mother.  

I don't care who you are, that was abhorrent.  This guy that plays Sohkar...he could have left the game at any time - but he was greedy. He chose to keep playing - not one person twisted his arm.   He is a grown adult and should be capable of making proper decisions on his own.  He chose to stay.  But hey, I guess people are not accountable for their own action and responsibilities any longer.  Go ahead and defend him.   I'll never do that.  

 

Originally posted by Caldicot

Teala, I don't know what kind of forum rage you are on here or what your agenda is, but can you please just walk away from this while your image is not completely irredeemable. The guy you are defending got banned by the company that sets the rules you are praising. That is somewhat the definiton of a contradiction.

Please take a moment to reflect on this and cease the opportunity to become a better person, both on the internet and IRL.

Signing out

o/

Who exactly is raging?   I see a lot of other people raging though...going so far as to tell me to even stop posting.   Forget that.   I have an opinion...I am allowed to share it.   Sorry you don't like it. 

Also, I'm not going to reflect on anything of the sort.  I am going to sit, enjoy my tea, and have fun reading forums, while playing an MMO.   :)   I'm going to enjoy my Friday evening.  

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