Originally posted by DrowNoble

 

Originally posted by Qark

First off, although the Hero Classes that were promised at release were announced, the implimentation is a question.  Do you force people to grind to 80 now before they can even start?  Does it change your existing character or does it "unlock" the Hero Class that you then create and play from level 1?

Things you, we dont know doesnt mean wow sux and that it will be bad expansion.

No new basic classes or new races (so far).  So then replay value is practically nil.  TBC forced players to start over at level 1 when they made their blood elf or draenei, with new starter content. 

Loot progression is a big question mark.  TBC was terribly imbalanced for loots.  Simple green drops in Hellfire were comparable to Teir 1 raid gear. 

This isnt true! I changed my T2 and T3 pcs with lvl 69-70 blue quality items. And some of my items (like AQ shoulders, lifegiving gem and few other things) are still uber compared to new stuff i found. So that story how new green items can just replace your ol T3 is crap.

Once someone hit 58, they could gear up with blues/greens in Hellfire alone and by 60 would be pretty much equal gear-wiseto a 60 with full pvp epics or tier 1/2.

Wrong, like rest you wroted down there. As i said, i changed my epix axe with lvl 68 blue drop in outlands, before that i didnt find any usefull thing. Same is with all my armor and your constatation is just wrong.

Many worry that all the work they are doing in the Black Temple will now be made wasted by the first green drop in Northrend

However, it is early announcement so as more info comes out I'm sure we will get a better idea as to what this expansion will and will not deliver.

 

 

First off Qark, I never said the expansion would be "bad" or "sux".  I merely stated that beyond the excitement of expansion news, there is some apprehension.  Do not read more into what I said than what I actually said. 

Second, I said that Hellfire greens were comparable to Tier 1 gear.  You are then talking about Tier 3 and beyond, which isn't what I was comparing at all.  I was pointing out that those people that worked through MC and BWL suddenly found that all that time was essentially wasted, since BoE greens were near-equal quality just no set bonuses.  I had a friend whose lock was tier 3/4 and she didn't replace her epics til mid to high 60's.  Again, i was speaking of Tier 1/2 gear vs Hellfire greens.

Third, declaring my statement about Hellfire greens vs pvp epics "wrong" was uh well incorrect on your part.  You were, again, talking about tier 3+ while I was talking about 60 pvp epic and tier 1/2 gear.  Some of the Thrallmar/HH weapons are equal if not better than pvp epic weapons, depending on your class and talent build.

Finally, if you wish to quote me that's fine.  Just make sure you actually read what I typed before you make replies that clearly show that you didn't.  Hopefully in the next several weeks more details will make expectations of the expansion clearer to us all. 

Maybe it was wrong to w8 that long for first expansion, over two years...thats too long for sure. If blizz do what they say...and that is new expansion every year you will find something else in wow...and that is more casual game where you dont have to get uber gear from end game (in that moment end game) instance because you know that it will be changed in year or so. Looks like they are trying to satirsfy all users...from hard core gamers to more casual players and at end PvPers. In my opinion arenas are really good move in right direction.

Generaly speaking, does WoW sux, will expansion suck etc is mather of opinion really, future arguing about that is same as if we are going to argue is blue color nicer than green. Fact is that if you look at all games in gamelist of this forum and if you sum all players of all those games WoW still have more accounts.

Disapointment of some players who stoped playing mostly came from fact that they lost online friends and they found themselfs alone in mmorpg. I would quit wow for sure but my RL friend started playing so i helped him lvl up etc...i canot say tho that i feel about wow like when i first loged in. I really miss that feeling i had like when i was playing on my first server with my first guild Furians.

about lotro, i got really disapointed...they could make it way better, that game ended in my trash bin only because i have well developed WoW character and Lotro isnt that much better to switch game. I have high expectations of Conan, and i hope it will be good and fresh and new.

Originally posted by labg11

Ppl are just bored of the same old thing....

I think a major breaktrougth on the mmo universe is required, hell i play lotro because i like it and im a fan, but take that out and i'll be bored as hell because we have the same mmorpg style since..... i can't remember.

So well perhaps is just me being burnt out an all... but hell i need something fresh and new. we'll just have to w8 for a brilliant idea from someone with tons of money and well connected.

P.d.: Lotro rules! at least is a lil bit different somehow. Must be the great history behind it.

Extept that it is LOTR story what rules? Character moving like you are playing manic miner from 1982? Or that interface is copy of wow? How about endless grinding there? How about stupid quests? Or how about "wow copy with better graphic" sound? No PvP at all...you cant choose sides cause only one side wins in that game, and we all know end of it...while u WoW you dont know when or how does it end ;)

Truth about WoW is that...it is still most playable and best mmorpg game you can find (for majority of people). It will stay like that untill someone release XYZ...then that game will be most popular untill someone in year release QWERTZ...and so on...

Most ppl who left WoW left because they didnt fit in because after all it IS massive multiplayer! game...so if you dont have online friends to play with you are left alone or whats worst you are left to play with PUGs and that sux big time...

If i wouldnt have online friends in WoW i wouldnt play it for sure...i dont have nothing to do there alone....

I would be really happy that someone make World of Fallout, i would pay 30$ a month to play it and i would be happy...

Eh ye one more thing...i see that much ppl who are posting here are not playing WoW for really long time so they are posting nonsense...game has changed from TBC, it evolved one level for sure (if not two levels)...and its damn good game from every aspect...PvE or PvP

First off, although the Hero Classes that were promised at release were announced, the implimentation is a question.  Do you force people to grind to 80 now before they can even start?  Does it change your existing character or does it "unlock" the Hero Class that you then create and play from level 1?

Things you, we dont know doesnt mean wow sux and that it will be bad expansion.

No new basic classes or new races (so far).  So then replay value is practically nil.  TBC forced players to start over at level 1 when they made their blood elf or draenei, with new starter content. 

Loot progression is a big question mark.  TBC was terribly imbalanced for loots.  Simple green drops in Hellfire were comparable to Teir 1 raid gear. 

This isnt true! I changed my T2 and T3 pcs with lvl 69-70 blue quality items. And some of my items (like AQ shoulders, lifegiving gem and few other things) are still uber compared to new stuff i found. So that story how new green items can just replace your ol T3 is crap.

Once someone hit 58, they could gear up with blues/greens in Hellfire alone and by 60 would be pretty much equal gear-wiseto a 60 with full pvp epics or tier 1/2.

Wrong, like rest you wroted down there. As i said, i changed my epix axe with lvl 68 blue drop in outlands, before that i didnt find any usefull thing. Same is with all my armor and your constatation is just wrong.

Many worry that all the work they are doing in the Black Temple will now be made wasted by the first green drop in Northrend

However, it is early announcement so as more info comes out I'm sure we will get a better idea as to what this expansion will and will not deliver.

All of this reasons are just stupid.

First i didnt say anything about Blizz...i dont care...while you all reading and posting on this forum you use Microsoft windows (90% of users do), and we all know what kind of crap microsoft is...but thats not the point.

DKP...who use DKP? What sistem of DKP did your guild use? There are new better ways of "biding" for loot than usual DKP stuff. How much time do you need to spend in WoW depends on how good you wana be. Like i saied before, i was in best alliance riding guild and i played 4 hrs a day when we had raids, and not every day but only 3-4 times a week. We managed to clear good part of Naxx before TBC was released. Fcourse that if you want to clear all instances in 1 week you need to play 24 hours. Karazhan can be cleared in 7 hrs...will you clear it in one day?!? or 3 days?!? or 5 maybe?!? So you see...its not really that much "time taking" thing...it is if and only if you want it to be!

I have life, i work my 9 hrs every day, i work out in gym 3x a week, and i run about 6 km at least twice a week + i have good social relationships and i play wow every day so dont tell me about how much time it takes...

With some changes they made in PvP and in PvE it can be realised they are going that "more casual" way and by the way they are making stuff for "pro raiders" and fanatics who are only about serverfirsts. After all Blizz did say they will release new expansion every year so basicy every year your previous year effort will drop in water (if you look at it that way) or you can just have fun.

DKP - giving loot to people was hard, even harder when you consider there is 40 people in raid. But with 10 and 25 ppl there is much easyer decision how to spread loot to members. Second thing about raiding and getting l00t is about guilds itself. If you are in guild that respect you, if you are with your friends and if you contribute to your guild prosperity you will get loot because they know you need it cause if you are (example) main tank and they dont gear you up...they wont see new instances very soon...So sooner or later you will get your gear. Since there is no much people in raid, 10 man raids come down to 2 tanks, from wich one can be druid or pala only you as warrior roll or bid on armor. Same thing is with all other classes. Its different than when you had 40 ppl to bid over some item.

PvP - rewards are easyer to get. With cross realm BG-s queue time is about 1-10 minutes, Arenas queues are under 1 min. So you can PvP all day long. Like i said before, i collected basic PvP set in one week. arena gear is a bit harder to get but...what means it can be done in 1 week...but maybe 1 month.

And yea, i consider BGs ONE part of PvP in WoW. you can do that OR arenas OR world PvP. I really dont see much difference from Blizz PvP than in some other games like Eve online where some pirate wants to gank you when you jump trough gate...same as when tauren jump from bushes to punch your character in face. Fact is allso that some things are missing, yea, but i wouldnt call it BAD PvP...

And for end...show me one game where you put all players (or much players) togeather that doesnt lag? I saw it in Eve online, i saw it in space cowboy and all other games i played.

My server (stormrage) crashed maybe once in 2 years how long im playing on it. they dont even restart them any more...you can just play on and on without stoping.

Originally posted by CreamSoda

Originally posted by Qark

Originally posted by CreamSoda

Originally posted by impulsebooks

 

The only bad thing about xpacs in wow is the increasing level cap. Add maps, toons, gear, dungeons by all means, but DO NOT make all the old content redundant. 90% of the game instances are empty now as it is. Why not rework them to be usable again?  The same can be said for land and areas leading up to BC.  Who on earth thinks it's a good idea to completely let the original world of Azeroth die?  I mean look, once Northrend comes out it will be more of a ghostland than it already is now.  Azeroth still has unfinished zones too.

Its not completly true, bouth new starting areas are in "old" land. Ironforge and Stormwind are still trading centers, maybe not as before TBC (what is normal) but Ironforge is allso called on our server as "town that never sleeps". On other side blizz did say that Naxx will be first instance we will have to return...and who know what future xpacs will bring us...remember that Ragnaros were "sleeping" when we attacked him in MC, thats why we managed to get him down more or less easly...maybe he will be in future like cthun.

Ok I can understand your trying to make a valid point but IF is one place in all of Azeroth.  The fact is 99% of Azeroth is usually deserted unless leveling.

 

Also, WOW is like work for a lot of people. Making them work hard to gain stuff only to then make it all worthless is not good. So, as I said, add content by all means, but don't make old content utterly worthless. I agree with this 100% but it is nothing more than a business decision on Blizzard's part.  What sickens me is that I have never witnessed such greed from another MMO company.  They are luring and keeping people in on the game in completely the wrong way.  With all the money they make they should be flooding tons of new content and innovation into the game.  Instead they pocket it and let the game glide on past achievments.

Not true.

O.K. some things were messed up in TBC....but overall it made game better than before. Imo bigest mistake was Kara as first serious raid and limited to 10 players only...that made every guild into drama...Leveling was too fast imo and some quests were totaly stupid (remember Nagrand animal hunt?)...Instances (5man) are boooring...i never visited half of them, or i visited them only if i had cause of reputation.

Anyway i look forward to see new zone and stuff it will bring to us. True that gear you get now will be useless then but who damn cares?? You can sit with 10k gold in pocket and w8 new xpac or you can enjoy game NOW, playing your character best you can putting effort into geting new items cause that item will make you good NOW not tomorow!

As my guildmate said:" There is no point in having T6, T8 or even T900 if you just gonna stand in IF :) So...fight and wipe till then, and start all over again!"

Your missing the point.  The point is you shouldn't have to constantly reearn achievments because your previous ones have been made null and void.  Not to mention you are constantly in the cycle they want you to be in and it's kind of retarded to logically keep doing it.  I hate raiding and did it for a long time, I quit right before BC.  I talk to tons of people who still play and they still dislike raiding, but they want there epics.  Raiding is not fun end of story, raiding like a second job is even less fun.  The fact that you are excited to repeat the same boring shit over week after week is astonishing.  Only to be outdone by future expansions that follow the same mind set as this one (perhaps) but definitely BC.

thing is that if you have uber armor (let say now, in TBC) most likely that you will have easyer time going trough new expansion than someone who will just start wow or someone who is not packed with epix. They (Blizz) want from WoW to last as long as it can...so game doesnt have end...and there is fact that you will allways need to reearn SOME stuff, not all!

I did say in my previous post, biggest mistake was Kara and 10 man limit...i liked 40 man raids...they were more fun, but new 25 man are cool, and interesting.

And basicly it comes down to this: beating game and content with friends, other players.

 

 

 

Originally posted by rattlertech

The game is just old and tired now.  This is its 3rd years and by the time the xpac comes out it will be well into its 4th.   That pretty old in the MMO world and for most people they want to see something completely new. 

Maybe, but we will know when that game will be released....like most of us tought how EQ is top of gamewold ever...

 Also most the stuff in the xpac was suppose to come out two years ago like someone ealier has said.  Blizzard has been screwing around with us for a long time because basically they had no real competition so they didn't really have to try. 

True that some stuff were brought too late...example is key chain :) but  game is advancing...when it was released it was best and making few changes it will make it still best for long time.

 But now they have not just one but multiple games coming out they actually trying to do something.  

Ye, we were all w8ting LOTRO...then when i saw it i loled...I mean wtf...copy of wow with bit better graphics but characters move like they were taken from some 1995 game. that game sux... who know what will new games look like. that warhammer thingie...have nothing to say than sit and w8

Even if you love WoW you should be cheering these new games on cause competetion always makes for a better product from all sides.  Also with most the pvp people gone (and you can pretty much say they will leave) they can finally balance the game back to its bread and butter PVE.  

PvP in WoW is getting better and better. Now you have 4 BGs, few outdoor pvp areas + arenas. You can go with team, alone, trying out your skills in duels (arenas). Will you do Ogrimmar raid or not depends on player(s).

The bottom line is the PVE folks love this game and the PVP folks hate it and the only reason they still in it cause like a addiction they just looking for something else that can feed their  MMO addiction to the it better. 

allso not true. This is good game for PvP standards. What would you like in PvP?!? In my opinion this is problem that was solved few months ago when blizz made crossrealm BG-s and this kind of whining is for "past times"...not today PvP stile in wow.

Originally posted by AkaJetson

they hate it because there won't really much new things maybe 1 more class 10 more lvls

Originally posted by CreamSoda

Originally posted by impulsebooks

 

The only bad thing about xpacs in wow is the increasing level cap. Add maps, toons, gear, dungeons by all means, but DO NOT make all the old content redundant. 90% of the game instances are empty now as it is. Why not rework them to be usable again?  The same can be said for land and areas leading up to BC.  Who on earth thinks it's a good idea to completely let the original world of Azeroth die?  I mean look, once Northrend comes out it will be more of a ghostland than it already is now.  Azeroth still has unfinished zones too.

Its not completly true, bouth new starting areas are in "old" land. Ironforge and Stormwind are still trading centers, maybe not as before TBC (what is normal) but Ironforge is allso called on our server as "town that never sleeps". On other side blizz did say that Naxx will be first instance we will have to return...and who know what future xpacs will bring us...remember that Ragnaros were "sleeping" when we attacked him in MC, thats why we managed to get him down more or less easly...maybe we will fight him again in some near future?!? who knows

 

Also, WOW is like work for a lot of people. Making them work hard to gain stuff only to then make it all worthless is not good. So, as I said, add content by all means, but don't make old content utterly worthless. I agree with this 100% but it is nothing more than a business decision on Blizzard's part.  What sickens me is that I have never witnessed such greed from another MMO company.  They are luring and keeping people in on the game in completely the wrong way.  With all the money they make they should be flooding tons of new content and innovation into the game.  Instead they pocket it and let the game glide on past achievments.

Not true.

O.K. some things were messed up in TBC....but overall it made game better than before. Imo bigest mistake was Kara as first serious raid and limited to 10 players only...that made every guild into drama...Leveling was too fast imo and some quests were totaly stupid (remember Nagrand animal hunt?)...Instances (5man) are boooring...i never visited half of them, or i visited them only if i had cause of reputation.

Anyway i look forward to see new zone and stuff it will bring to us. True that gear you get now will be useless then but who damn cares?? You can sit with 10k gold in pocket and w8 new xpac or you can enjoy game NOW, playing your character best you can putting effort into geting new items cause that item will make you good NOW not tomorow!

As my guildmate said:" There is no point in having T6, T8 or even T900 if you just gonna stand in IF :) So...fight and wipe till then, and start all over again!"

 

 Anyway...what kind of game you ppl would like to play? One where noone advances? W8 a second...

First you had T1 from MC...then Blizz released new T2 set in BWL...then Naxx came and T3 was released....then TBC and T4 ...etcetc It is advancement trough adventure ... would you like to log into game first time and get Txxx set and thats it? What will you do then?

Come to Stormrage ;)

I had to stop game for 3 months due to work and so on...when i came back now all players (or most of them) had uber gear. With my crapy green lvl 70 plate + few blues i started BG-s. In 10 days i bought all veteran plate pcs + feliron axe what gives me good start for arenas. Arenas will go a bit slower but in midtime im doing instances, harvesting, world events...or just killing Thrall first thing in morning with few friends :p (that last we dont do cause we miss few more players)

It depends from server to server...i see alot of low lvl guilds on my server...all lvl 0-40 then going higher...

Ye but you are "living" a warcraft story...and show must go on...in new expansion we will reach end of warcraft and continue to unexplored areas of warcraft lore...

People cant really expect to see end game instances and stuff in WoW if you dont put some effort in it. People who want that are like ones who comes to my gym...."ooo i wana do workout once a week and look like Arnold in one month..."

You cant really expect anything before some mid level...wow is not throwing all at you in start but in time. Good and skilled players choose class not by "how boring" or "how cool they look" or "how much buttons do i need to press" but by fact what suits player best.

In my opinion hardest class is warrior...you need to learn how to act in what situation, you have to be fast and concentraded cause if some mob start to chew on your healer you are history

Well try to see wider specter of picture here plix...

They mentioned that in crappy trailer and that doesnt mean that youll get World of Sims, and that new hair cut will be main upgrade of game...

all things you think you "know" about new expansion i can say that you really dont know...untill Blizz say so all things written here are just speculations.

People are leaving and comming to game...it is normal that someone get bored...i stoped Battlefield 2142 and gave account to brother...but i find WoW still interesting, and clearing Kara is still thrill...while on other side i dont do 5man stuff...i find them boring.

I think WoW have much to offer...if you dont want PvE you can do PvP...for example...to get 3 pcs of veteran PvP set i needed maybe a week of BGs....if you want more...go for arenas.

What will we get on lvl 80. Who knows...talent, haircut and new spells...but im sure that is not all.

Why do you all cry about grinding? I played tons of MMORPGs and grindfest is everywhere...look at Eveonline...i played it for 1 week then gave up when i saw that all ill do next 6 months is some stupid repetable quests. Same thing is basicly everywhere.

Is WoW much different...yes! You dont really have that much grinding ... i got all needed heroic keys by leveling up + maybe few runs to some instances to get basic tanking armor for first real raid. You need gold? I dont grind for gold much, i buy cheap herbs off AH, mix potions then sell them and make money + now you have daily quests with 11g reward + reputation.

TBC - good or bad? i would say good...

- pre TBC i had endgame armor, ppl were stoping me in IF to take screenshot, on TBC...n00b who started game 1month before TBC had same gear as me. O.K. maybe it wasnt "fair" to me and other old members but at least new players have chance to be good as old players are (but skill does mather, and they wont ever have skills like me). Compare it to Eve online...Someone who start playing today will never get close to someone whos playing for 3 years.

- new level cap - is needed because introducing new skills! You need level to get tallent point, you need talent point to learn new skill, new skill doesnt mean your old skill is useless.

- Old instances and land will not be forgoten. IF and SW are still trading center of WoW, and as i hear Naxx will be new raiding target in new expansion. Edit: Naxx is usefull on lvl 70 as raiding target cause of frost protection gear what i needed for instances in TBC.

- TBC does give sometihng new! what the hell would you want?!? you got new skills, profesions, levels, land, mobs, instances, dungeons etc etc.

At end it all depends on how you look on game...if you are no social skill n00b ... log off...i dont want to see you in game...we are playing it cause we wana see new places...fact that my epix from TBC will be replaced by lvl 78 green armor is not big trouble for me...only for pricks who play mmorpg like its single player game. All of you with opinions: give me all armor but i dont wana raid, give me gold but i dont want harvest, get reputation but i dont wana do quests or whatever stupid reasons i read till now on this and other posts can freely play solitaire online.

Next...playing TBC is and isnt same as playing preTBC wow. You have new skills, others have new skills...you need to learn how to play with that new stuff and beat game content again. Again i dont get what would people want? You have nice PvP + new coming. You have best PvE in mmorpg world. Does it come down on raiding...yes...but thats the point of WoW.