Originally posted by chaintm

Originally posted by ShakyMo
I would say valve are the innovaters of the fps genre.

Lethal combat - counterstrike
Story - half life
Realistic Npcs, story taken even further - hl2
4 player coop - l4d
Puzzles rather than killing stuff - portal

 

Counterstrike was a solo mod guy before valve bought the rights, half-life was a good (Scripted) story thats the innovation. l4d, innovative and portal for sure. TF2 was a rehash and so on. Out of all of it valve I give credit for in the innovations under, story,co-op and puzzles along with the never mentioned online store. They had some innovations but not all :) really the fps thing comes from before wolfinstien and stories before that. It's all perspective at this point, innovations from generation to generation. Meh I remember black and white tv's and no such thing as microwaves. lol

As far as this title goes, after seeing the links others have provided, my stance on this game has changed. There are from those vids of people who got "hands on" actually parts of this game (those that are important to me) being done just like most if not all of the series of Elderscrolls, in the end that's what I wanted,.bravo to the devs on delivery, however their promotions are not convering these aspects, they should really look at these vids and take notice.

Its not that Valve invented FPS but little things that made those games hits, nowdays its really hard to invent something brand new inside genre limitations. So MMORPG will allways be similar to some older previous games, but developer have task (not an easy one) to take all good from older games + invent something new... Blizz did that as i remember right.

there is one nice video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1dqCjnATWg that explains facts we know so far about TESO, all other stuff is wild guess.

Fact that mmo is 10 year old genre doesnt mean that they cant do game that is interesting to all players with inovations. You cant reinvent genre but you can add freshness like one you can see in modern FPSs. FPS is not reinvented, but refreshed...

I know that 90% of players are casual ones, i am too. I cant play 24/7, but i have nothing against some casual PvP, exploring other faction lands and being ganked because im there sticking my nose where i should not.

This is just bunch of speculations and personal opinions. I like Wii, someone likes PS3 while some like Xbox...none of MMO games i played doesnt have non instanced world like WoW, or at least it doesnt look like its instance, no loading times when you walk from are to area.

Players who think WoW is boring are usualy players who like more "solo" playing. WoW become more guild and friends depending. Solo players get bored soon because there is not much to do...

Originally posted by Blackhawk242

No, im not tired of AoC i love it, what im tired of is all the players/ex-players complaining about it and saying "I convinced all my guildees to leave AoC and wait for WAR" you know what, No one knows! how do you know WAR wont suck? Have you played it? Have you even seen it? No. so just shut up. Wait until its out and then judge it, Most people were hyped for AoC, we saw Videos,Screens almost every month/week same with WAR, Yet AoC has bugs, and alot of people hate it, so whos to say WAR wont suck.
 

/end Yammering

I will tell you one thing...steak was great, someone like it "rare" as it is now...i prefer "well done" so im leaving to find anotherone.

Its personal opinion and taste really.

4 hours later they released another wave of alpha invites...FIFO stile like first time...

and...saying that you are in closed alpha is clear breaking of NDA ... cccc

im sure that after two weeks kids who tought "ooo a free game" will give up when they realise their character will be reseted 20 times, they will have to download daily patches, they will have limited area to play in etc...+ client crashes and who knows what

not bad,

im sick of carebear games...ill just quit everything untill something worth playing get released, i hope DFO will release

they didnt say anything (suprise suprise!!!)

i hope they will make it downloadable...i have allready too much "boxes" that needs dusting once a month

Originally posted by Keeper2000

Using my knowledge based on futurology (hehehe) I think they will sell around 50,000 copies in the first months.  Then the number will drop or raise depending how good the game is and how good they keep it going.

They may reach a number like EvE has now but it will take some time (as it took for EvE).

The success or fail of WAR, the expansion of WoW (whatever it's called), Aion and the rest of the incoming games will hurt or help DF's numbers.  For example, imo, AoC ended up helping DF more than hurting it.

DF is a niche game but if WAR, for example, is a success, some people that could had played DF will be playing WAR until they get burned of it.  The same for the rest of games.

But I do think they can sell 50k copies in the first 6 months even if the other incoming games are a succeed.

 

WAR will suck
WoW...WOTLK or populary called "Lion King"
AOC sux big time

aha

i tought those numbers are big for something that is under development for so long....and with all vaporware theories etc

ATM they have 300...not bad anyway

i think that Darkfall idea and concept sounds soo good that it will never loose fanbase...even if he dont release video this month, even if he doesnt releae game this or next year.

Darkfall forums have 200 - 300 visitors in allmost every given moment...not even AOC have that much visitors haha

mmorpg.com have that much visitors sometimes...

i must say im impressed...alltho it confuses me what all those people do..i posted several posts etc but beating dead horse over and over...no new info to analise haha

Originally posted by Vansinne

The last 5 years my MMO experience has been a waste of time. Nothing new or anything that hocked me up for more than 1-2 month.

Most of the games I quit after a few days. It's like playing bad single player FPS clones.

That's why I count on Aventurine, I might be buggy or missing features. I don't care because I want a game thats not like everything else around. A game thats reminds me of the old days and brings back the fun into my gaming experience.

If they wont make it, sad for us. But we have a few other options coming up and I want them to succeed aswell.

same here, im sick of this carebear stuff...oo we dont want full loot, oo this class is OP (then everyone rolls that class), why doesnt this item drop, why does this item drop too much...arrrrghh...

Im sick of MMOs...at least ones you can get into today.

hope never fails!

If someone is in Athena please go visit developers and do few photos of game :D

i cant go over fact that they dont wana show more ingame clips (longer than 10 seconds) showing AI, random spot and gameplay...for that you need 1 minute...no mather do you need to teleport from one location to another or whatever...

I hope im wrong.

Lack of new info about game makes people roll same questions over and over

we talk here in theory fcourse. its like we are talking about quantum computers...They sound great, will they be like that...we will see

Same thing with Darkfall, all listed features are dream come true for mature serious player who is tired of carebear stuff...

how will it look...we will see when (if) Darkfall get released

This was posted on Darkfall main forum, funny :D

http://www.vgcats.com/comics/images/080722.jpg

Originally posted by Xxeon

Originally posted by Qark

why dont they comunicate more with their fanbase?

I didnt see one post in main Darkfall forum from developers except in "news" department.

why they want to "hide" everything? i know they want to present perfect finishd game but they for sure by now must have more polished parts of that world...

 

they use to and they would always say beta they had to put a stop to it when they merged with aventurine ..

Well Fallen Earth Developers posted more than 1 hour of ingame videos and clips + tons of pictures. They are in development for 5 years so its not much different than darkfall development but Aventurine didnt give 5% of data about Darkfall how much Icarus studios posted data about Fallen Earth.
 

I would really like to see Darkfall release with all features i just dont understand developers...you must admit that is something strange.

Its not like Icarus dont want their game to be polished, they are still in developement but they talk to their fanbase ... Aventurine doesnt comunicate in any way.

Anyway, noone force them to say when release date will be, noone force them to say when beta will be...i mean its not like they have gun pointed to their heads so they have to say it...and breaking all promises till now reminds me to Funcom...as bad example

why dont they comunicate more with their fanbase?

I didnt see one post in main Darkfall forum from developers except in "news" department.

why they want to "hide" everything? i know they want to present perfect finishd game but they for sure by now must have more polished parts of that world...

Really no need to do all insults im seeing here trough forum because it for sure kills mmorpg creditability.

My gramma is allso bad, english is not my first language so excuse me for making mistakes.

Alltho i would really like to see Darkfall released i dont understand developers.

Firstly, darkfall isnt only game that was in development for long. Fallen Earth, Tabula Rasa...bouth of them were (are) in loong development...but you got alot of materials (not screen shots but actual gameplay)

Fallen Earth is lately on my mind because it will hit beta in few months and soon release (i hope), by that time you have about 30 minutes of actual gameplay shown on youtube, + several diferent clips showing game mechanics and models....while from Darkfall you have 3x10 second clip

Darkfall developers should learn to comunicate with fanbase!!!!

this issue should be approached from seveal sides:

A - If game dont get released > vaporware

B - if game do release but developers dont implement all features promised but they are written on box:
- in this scenario game would start with maybe 100 000 players, but since developers are slow and they lack of comunication game would flop with maybe 20 000 - 30 000 players

C - game get released but without all features and players know that:
- again it would start with less numbers, maybe like 50 000 leaving only hardcore players at end

D - game get released with all features:
- that would be best possible scenario, wih 100 000 sold games at start and in next 6-8 months maybe 50 000 more

Best possible scenario what is (im sure) only imagination is to make DX9 game with nice GFX and all promised fatures, great customer support and updates coming frequently...that would get Darkfall to 250 000 player base, and maybe more!

thank you for linking my poll :D

Anyway i belive if we see day that Darkfall get released number of players would be somewhere arround 250 000.

Since its too hardcore game for carebears i think it wont hurt major population of WoW/AOC/WAR players but it will fill in gap for people who want something more hardcore.

numbers in poll doesnt mean anything because some of visitors of that forum arent fans they are fanatics.