SEriously I agree with the op.  The staff writer who wrote that there are only two ways to fix an mmorpg is rediculously ignorant.

I don't know if you guys know this but what mythic did to daoc is almost as bad as what soe did to star wars, essentialy releasing an nge of thei rown.

I will never play this game for the simple reason mythic is making it.  No I'm not trolling don't even respond to this I'm just stating my opinion.

Besides I think AOC will have higher subscription numbers anyways so it makes more sense to play the game that is more densly populated and has ffa pvp. More my style.  More peeps to play with and more fun, it's actually more like daoc than who is, lol!!!

either way i don't say warhammer online doing anygood once wow updates its graphics as wow has better and more polished gameplay, and this is a simple law based on the fact that it has been out longer and therefore will be better coded.

But seriously how cna you say wow copied warhammer when wow was on teh computer first. They may have copied the concept art, which has still yet to be proven, but they def. didn't copy the interface, graphics, etc. because wow was out two years before warhammer. That is almost before warhammer was even in its conceptual stages as a video game.....I just don't like h ow they copied and pasted the graphics from wow, that's all...

I am also one of those people who is a huge fan of the books and movies but thought the game did everything wrong in terms of lore.   I mean I read the books, the game is nothing like the books, so why is it considered based on LOTR?  Just because of the names of areas and races?  I think mircrosoft is milking people for their money knowing that the big fanbase of lotr are mostly suckers who will buy into any form of entertainment with the name slapped on it.  My opinion ofcourse don't flame me.

Yeah he blames those three guys cause they fired him. Obviously the one to blame is Brad. He said brad was avoided at all costs cause he was so bad with people. Guys brad is not dumb, he saw the game falling and he bailed. Simple as that. He's to blame. Rea dthe interview again, his pasion convinced microsoft to take up the project. If brad never existed neither would vanguard.

Damn 9 million players? That's more than 100 times more players than most other games...how many one each server?  If everquest lasted 6 or 7 years and uo lasted 10 years with less than 500k players this must mean that wow is going to last for atleast another fifty years. No joke, this game is going to outdo consoles themselves. And It's getting bigger!!!

No....but still his vision wasn't real and he propagated the machine that made vanguard and sold it then bailed out. 

Originally posted by Remali

The game failed because the only thing the people at sigil were good at is putting the blame on everyone except themselves.Im not saying that Brad Mcquaid didnt have the biggest share of the blame but it takes more than one person to completly screw up a game like vanguard has

I'm sorry I don't mean to offend anytone but I wasted my money on this junk. I was a huge eq fan and brad fan, but now i feel like i just dropped the soap in prison. I will never buy a brad mcquaid game ever again and i will protest the sale  of any future brad games civily,

I think he might possibly confuse AOC for the game based on his book, since it is more traditional in appearance.

I don't consider war a pvp game. Well I do kind of but in the sense of counterstrike.  It's basically facilitated arena combat.  Check out AOC. That looks promising. IT reminds me of daoc combined with uo. War reminds me of Wow, with bigger arenas.

Originally posted by SeveredFate

basically, blizz ran out of ideas, did a little ctrl + C and ctrl + V on some of the warhammer lore / art, which has been around for DECADES before WC was even an afterthought.

There, thats where it starts, and ends. It's skin deep. They may look the same, WoW came out 1st, who cares, warhammer has been here for ages. If anything, WoW copied warhammer. If ppl would actually read at max 3 articles on WAR they'd realize that its nothing like WoW THANK GOD. WoW - PvE  WAR - PvP. Its much more thought out and much more brutal than WoW.

Iunno where im goin after that. Feel free to add to this, flame me, ignore me, touch me inappropriately, I enjoy them all.

Sticky plz.

 /rant off

And man, I've been looking at the screenshots of war and I don't even think they look as good as wow. Maybe more detail but the models are kind of cheezy.

Yup. True dat player. Congrats for laying it down how it is.

Maybe now the Eveboys can go back to playing there semi graphical representation of marbles.

nm

You can flame me all you want.

My claim is wow is more complex than eve. Yes. You heard me right. Even is a game of knowing. It is old and technical. It's like laws, when people write more lawas there are more ways to break them .When you bog the game down with lymric it just dissolves into a court case. Seriously playing eve feels like going to law school. It's boring. Boing doesnt mean complex. Take a look at the simpleness of nature and its sophistication and tehn take a look at the complications that we create in our daily lvies and the simple vice behind it.

Eve is pretentious on it's own base. I don't even consider it pvp.

AOC will draw more numbers than warhammer and any other game besides wow. It will be the only game catoring to the hardcore true pvpers that surfaced around uo's time while also catoring to the rvrs. Please warhammer rvr is a joke, its like a funnel trap. Go to x, then go to y, then go to z,  etc etc. We want real pvp not synethic wars.

Ditto, same with all two million of my fellow gamers.

NO!!!

That's the opposite of eve. At any one point in time one has more realtime choices in games like wow than eve. Eve is a game of knowledge. You have one choice, to know more than your opponent. If you know less, in terms of knowlege, then you lose. This is a one choice mechanic. In wow, everything is realtime and at any one moment anything can happen that you will have to react too. This is just one example. Uo was the king of this. No offesnse but I don't consider jumping through twenty hoola hoops for x to happen as choices. I consider it beauracracy.

No offense but I don't consider a complex interface or list of steps as meaning a complex pvp system. Let me explain.

The simpler the mechanics behind the game,  as in the interface and list of steps to do, especialy with pvp, the more strategy and tactics becomes important rather than knowledge and the more skill that is cultivated. I consider that a ting of beauty. The simpler the rules the more complex the warfare.

I do not think EQ is the best mmorpg ever, nor would I put it in the top three but this is my opinion, not a fact.

Let me explain why...

1) Eq introduced very little the genre other than a new graphics engine.

Raiding:

  Meridian had raiding

 UO had raiding

PVP:

 UO had the best pvp pre trammal hands down out of any mmorpg to date.  You could use exploding potions, trapped treasure chests, recall scrolls, selective teleportation, and you could fight on mounts.  No game to this day comes close

PVE:

  Eq in my opinion has the worst AI out o fany game. You basicly aggro and pull, aggro and pull, aggro and pull.

Enough said.

P.s. someone up top said EQ is the only game that forces you to adventure. I don't consider a game that forces you to do anything good. I think Brad just got lucky with EQ because there was a huge market for a non pvp game.