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Originally posted by Arcken

Originally posted by Raistlin25

 

Originally posted by bobfish

Originally posted by Raistlin25

Family is still valued, Bobfish, but it is disappearing. If I can blame you "Imperalist Capitalist Pigs" or whatever new label they came up with (it was Dog of Imperialism when I left China,) it's the utter devastation and corruption of the Chinese youth.

This is a shame in my opinion, it's one of the few developed countries I've been to that has proper values and manners. I am though getting old myself and I guess these values will be lost in all countries eventually.

Aye. It is indeed a shame. Though i wouldn't say China is yet developed. The gap between poor and rich is so significant that there needs to have great change before it can be solved.

 

I've read some conflicting opinions over it in this thread, and I really did enjoy the debate - intensity is always good.

Here's a question to toss out at y'all though: Nowadays, we go OMFGHAXX!! at any attempt to regulate the internet. But if you think about it, shouldn't there be ...rules? I mean, I see a fine balance between Warden and Spyware, but shouldn't there be regulations for the player's own protection?

The gap between the poor and the rich? Thats not just China my friend, thats a situation we have here in the US as well.

Originally posted by cobbsie

 

Originally posted by Raistlin25

Sharing a bit of information, since I am Chinese myself. I'm currently in the U.S.

The government have already tried to regulate the MMO industry. This may be a bit hard for others to grasp, but China is trying to maintain its old ideals towards ..everything, but especially education.

MMORPG is one of the most ...shall we say distracting? things in regards to education. The Chinese government have already placed in a system known as "Fang Chen Mi," or literally "Anti-addiction." but it doesn't quite work well.

How the system works is that it requires the players to register using a Chinese Social Security ID, and it limits the numbers of hours a non-mature (person under 18) they can spend per day. On the game I played for a while, Demi-Gods and Semi Devils (Based on a Kungfu novel by Louis Cha), a minor is limited to 3 hours per day before EXP is cut in half, up to a maximum of five hours, which then you would be prevented from logging in altogether.

However, the system isn't working. Social Security Generators, in addition to the reluctance of companys to adhere to this standard makes this policy extremely difficult to enforce. Thus, the recent cracking-down to me seems to be more like a last resort than anything.

A point of interest: most of the newer MMORPGs made in China are item mall based, while the older ones with larger followings are based on monthly subscriptions. You can see why some of the companies are so against governmental regulations. 

In my hometown of Harbin, when I visited a few years ago, the owner of a NetCafe sold "Adult IDs" to students who wished to beat the system. =\

Corruption? I think so too. But more importantly, you have to look at where Chinese society is going. Gone were the days of confucian ideals and the stereotyped Asian. The majority now follows "Xiang Qian Kan," or literally "Look forward." This is a pun on "Look to the money."

Family is still valued, Bobfish, but it is disappearing. If I can blame you "Imperalist Capitalist Pigs" or whatever new label they came up with (it was Dog of Imperialism when I left China,) it's the utter devastation and corruption of the Chinese youth.

OH MY GOD. THEY ARE ACTUALLY THINKING FOR THEMSELVES FOR ONCE. THAT IS BAD!!

(Sarcasm should also be dripping off your screen at the moment.)

No, but going back to my point. I think the liberalization of China causes disappearances of traditional values. When I went back to my hometown and visited my old elementary school, every single child there told me they wanted to make money. Every. Single. One.

China, in my humble opinion has ceased to be a "communist" society. Its market mechanism lacks monitoring as China gets cheated out of taxes (if you look at Chinese News, you'll see a ton of stuff like this), its society leans towards a one-party dictatorship with succession among party lines, and civil rights is really nonexistant. 

I should know. I know people who got banned from MMOs because they were discussing politics. Isn't it nice how if we were in China right now the JFJ would be at your doors with a warrant of arrest now?

I read the article with mixed feelings. I am Chinese by ethnicity. I identify myself as American. I....

Aw, hell. Well. It's about damn time they did SOMETHING about it. My cousin's addicted to one of those himself.

 

thnx for that breath of reality there

:)

You're more than welcome. I hope I can help clarify some of the misconceptions regarding Chinese MMORPGs. XD

Originally posted by bobfish

Originally posted by Raistlin25

Family is still valued, Bobfish, but it is disappearing. If I can blame you "Imperalist Capitalist Pigs" or whatever new label they came up with (it was Dog of Imperialism when I left China,) it's the utter devastation and corruption of the Chinese youth.

This is a shame in my opinion, it's one of the few developed countries I've been to that has proper values and manners. I am though getting old myself and I guess these values will be lost in all countries eventually.

I've read some conflicting opinions over it in this thread, and I really did enjoy the debate - intensity is always good.

Here's a question to toss out at y'all though: Nowadays, we go OMFGHAXX!! at any attempt to regulate the internet. But if you think about it, shouldn't there be ...rules? I mean, I see a fine balance between Warden and Spyware, but shouldn't there be regulations for the player's own protection?

Sharing a bit of information, since I am Chinese myself. I'm currently in the U.S.

The government have already tried to regulate the MMO industry. This may be a bit hard for others to grasp, but China is trying to maintain its old ideals towards ..everything, but especially education.

MMORPG is one of the most ...shall we say distracting? things in regards to education. The Chinese government have already placed in a system known as "Fang Chen Mi," or literally "Anti-addiction." but it doesn't quite work well.

How the system works is that it requires the players to register using a Chinese Social Security ID, and it limits the numbers of hours a non-mature (person under 18) they can spend per day. On the game I played for a while, Demi-Gods and Semi Devils (Based on a Kungfu novel by Louis Cha), a minor is limited to 3 hours per day before EXP is cut in half, up to a maximum of five hours, which then you would be prevented from logging in altogether.

However, the system isn't working. Social Security Generators, in addition to the reluctance of companys to adhere to this standard makes this policy extremely difficult to enforce. Thus, the recent cracking-down to me seems to be more like a last resort than anything.

A point of interest: most of the newer MMORPGs made in China are item mall based, while the older ones with larger followings are based on monthly subscriptions. You can see why some of the companies are so against governmental regulations. 

In my hometown of Harbin, when I visited a few years ago, the owner of a NetCafe sold "Adult IDs" to students who wished to beat the system. =\

Corruption? I think so too. But more importantly, you have to look at where Chinese society is going. Gone were the days of confucian ideals and the stereotyped Asian. The majority now follows "Xiang Qian Kan," or literally "Look forward." This is a pun on "Look to the money."

Family is still valued, Bobfish, but it is disappearing. If I can blame you "Imperalist Capitalist Pigs" or whatever new label they came up with (it was Dog of Imperialism when I left China,) it's the utter devastation and corruption of the Chinese youth.

OH MY GOD. THEY ARE ACTUALLY THINKING FOR THEMSELVES FOR ONCE. THAT IS BAD!!

(Sarcasm should also be dripping off your screen at the moment.)

No, but going back to my point. I think the liberalization of China causes disappearances of traditional values. When I went back to my hometown and visited my old elementary school, every single child there told me they wanted to make money. Every. Single. One.

China, in my humble opinion has ceased to be a "communist" society. Its market mechanism lacks monitoring as China gets cheated out of taxes (if you look at Chinese News, you'll see a ton of stuff like this), its society leans towards a one-party dictatorship with succession among party lines, and civil rights is really nonexistant. 

I should know. I know people who got banned from MMOs because they were discussing politics. Isn't it nice how if we were in China right now the JFJ would be at your doors with a warrant of arrest now?

I read the article with mixed feelings. I am Chinese by ethnicity. I identify myself as American. I....

Aw, hell. Well. It's about damn time they did SOMETHING about it. My cousin's addicted to one of those himself.